Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: I think that having an official rolling release always available would reduce the pressure of maintainers to always push the latest into the next stable release precisely because there's an alternative... so it would rather help concerning this

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 05:17:36PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: I'm not against having a constant useable testing, on the contrary. I just don't see why we want to choose for working around the problems we currently have with testing instead of fixing them for everyone. You seem to be basing your

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Luk Claes
Hi Raphael On 09/23/2010 02:30 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ Personally I have the feeling

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Luk, On 26/09/10 at 15:55 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: I think this is completely the wrong question, we'd better ask the question: Why do freezes have to take that long? I would be interested in hearing your answer to that question. It would help to understand the rest of your mail. It seems to

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Fernando Lemos
Hey, On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote: IMHO, what is missing from rolling should be added to testing, not worked around by introducing another suite: I believe it's the other way around, actually. To me, adding stuff to testing is the workaround. Testing is not

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Luk Claes
On 09/26/2010 04:40 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi Luk, Hi Lucas Note that this is my personal opinion and does not represent the opinion of the Release Team perse. On 26/09/10 at 15:55 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: I think this is completely the wrong question, we'd better ask the question: Why do

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Luk Claes
On 09/26/2010 05:02 PM, Fernando Lemos wrote: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote: Why would non-frequent snapshots help more than frequent snapshots? Because in that case they could really be used and supported for installing, better user testing, security...

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Luk, thanks for your valuable comments. On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: Of course there are multiple reasons. Though I think one of the most obvious ones is that we as a project don't do a genuine stable release often so sometimes delay the freeze willingly or not. Another reason

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-26 Thread Luk Claes
Hi Raphael On 09/26/2010 08:40 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: Of course there are multiple reasons. Though I think one of the most obvious ones is that we as a project don't do a genuine stable release often so sometimes delay the freeze willingly or not.

Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/09/10 at 15:01 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi all, On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: CUT discussions at debconf10 and recent news of the birth of Linux Mint discussions on CUT have continued after debconf on the CUT mailing. I wrote a summary of the discussion that

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
On 09/23/2010 09:00 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ It's still looks weired to me to have to read this article there (I mean, _only_

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 23/09/10 at 10:40 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: On 09/23/2010 09:00 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ It's still looks weired

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: On 09/23/2010 09:00 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ It's still looks weired to me

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Luk Claes
On 09/23/2010 09:00 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 22/09/10 at 15:01 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi all, On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: CUT discussions at debconf10 and recent news of the birth of Linux Mint discussions on CUT have continued after debconf on the CUT mailing.

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Luk, thanks for your comment! On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Luk Claes wrote: Raphael's article is now published, and is probably a good basis for discussing CUT on -de...@. Free link: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/406301/bd522adc828b3461/ Personally I have the feeling that if we would choose

Re: Summary of CUT discussions (Was: unstable/testing/[pending/frozen/]stable)

2010-09-23 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:30:30 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Personally I would like to have snapshots every 2 or 3 months. Colin Watson pointed out in an LWN comment (http://lwn.net/Articles/406597/): | There's a good chance that CUT could serve a dual purpose of making it | easier to prepare