Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Hi Marco, > > Am So den 29. Jul 2007 um 18:58 schrieb Marco d'Itri: If you want a system without an inetd then do not it install one and do not install packages depending on it. It's really that easy. >>> Sorry but I th

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:00:00AM +0200, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to replace > > the MS fonts. > > Have their licensing issues been solved? Which ones ? Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> The d-i team is constantly working on simplifying debian-installer. Just > > compare a sarge install with an etch install.. > > > I guess I'll take a look at their mailing list - I had some simple ideas You're more than welcome (actually you'll see by doing this that Joey Hess saying "the D-I

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> No, we should use the liberation fonts, which are designed to replace > the MS fonts. Have their licensing issues been solved? signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > At least with debian.org, it appears the CSS specifies a font of "Arial, > > Helvetica, sans-serif", which means if msttcorefonts isn't installed, it > > falls back to the ugly bitmap Helvetica fonts. Which s

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > You're right, but I thought you argued about Etch. Btw, the idea is > replace xine with gstreamer as default backend, but we've quite some > time until freeze, meanwhile I would recommend you stay tuned for > tasksel updates and switch to totem-gstreamer and install the 0.10 > plugins, all of t

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007, Ben Goodger wrote: > On 08/08/2007, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Individual developers can work on non-free to their heart's > > content, but it should not get any priority from the Debian > > project. > > If these (read: nvidia/ati) drivers were DFSG-compliant, t

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On 8/9/07, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > My browser (iceweasel) does include .mov as a supported format. All the > files I try to play open a player applet, but it does nothing. Trying to > open them manually with Totem results in a "Video Codec Advanced Video > Coding (H264) is n

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > My browser (iceweasel) does include .mov as a supported format. All the > files I try to play open a player applet, but it does nothing. Trying to > open them manually with Totem results in a "Video Codec Advanced Video > Coding (H264) is not installed" error message. I even installed the ffm

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> Could you please check that the 'about:plugins' output displays 'mov' > support? If not, which desktop environment and gecko 'based' browser > you're using ? Do you've the related task installed (eg: gnome-desktop > for GNOME, ...) ? My browser (iceweasel) does include .mov as a supported forma

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On 8/9/07, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > - driver detection > > We've driver detection, what's wrong with this feature in your use > > case scenario? > > I was talking about driver detection with out-of-tree drivers that must be > built with "module-assistant". It actually looks li

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > - driver detection > We've driver detection, what's wrong with this feature in your use > case scenario? I was talking about driver detection with out-of-tree drivers that must be built with "module-assistant". It actually looks like something is in the works, though. - more streamlined liv

Re: Out of the box CPU frequency scaling (Was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Regarding frequency scaling - it didn't work for me (I had to manually enable it, though I didn't need a custom kernel or anything like that). I'll investigate further and possibly file a bug. As in my case it didn't work because the cpufreq related modules were not

Re: Simplify installation of non-free?

Ben, please don't send me copies of messages sent to the list. http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct> "Ben Goodger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 08/08/2007, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I strongly disagree. The installation of non-free should *not* be > > a priority f

Seeking new maintainer(s) for HPLIP and amavisd-new

Unfortunately, due to various reasons I have been unable to dedicate as much time and effort as HPLIP and amavisd-new require, lately (as in I couldn't dedicate any effort to them, really). Both of these packages are team-maintained in alioth (pkg-hpijs and amavisd-new projects, respectively), but

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On 8/8/07, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (...) > > > > It seems that we have no support for FAAC in main yet. Could you point > > out a package, set of packages or upstream projects that I should look > > for? > > I meant faad, sorry. Here's the main lib: > > http://packages.debian.org/u

Re: Bug#436550: RFA: glipper - A clipboard manager for GNOME

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You can orphan the package, or make a request for help. Neil Williams wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: normal > X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > Glipper is currently my package in Debian at 0.95.1-3 and that version > is written in

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

François Févotte wrote: I'm not an expert at all, so I might be wrong. I guess this would be the case if your source package compiled a statically linked binary against a library belonging to another source package. The licence of the binary package would then be a combination of the licences of

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

> > Oh, for the love of god, not more of this... > > If these (read: nvidia/ati) drivers were DFSG-compliant, they'd be > included by default. Since this is not possible, it should be made as easy > as possible to install them. The only thing is to ensure that it remains an > opt-in, since people m

Re: .desktop file for a wm

Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > sawfish includes a .desktop file, which gets installed into > /usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/Sawfish.desktop > and which is used (I presume) by Gnome, to change the active WM. > lintian says that it's missing the required 'Type' key. But s

.desktop file for a wm

sawfish includes a .desktop file, which gets installed into /usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/Sawfish.desktop and which is used (I presume) by Gnome, to change the active WM. lintian says that it's missing the required 'Type' key. But said key has the allowed values Application, Link and Directory[1

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> Which work? Could you please test with both Etch and testing or even > unstable write a report, send to debian-desktop ML - > [EMAIL PROTECTED], pointing to some bugs in or out of > our bug tracking system (if any) ? I will do this... > It seems that we have no support for FAAC in main yet. C

Re: Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

On 08/08/2007, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Ben Goodger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Simplifying the installation of non-free graphics card drivers > > should also be a priority, though not to the extent Canonical are > > currently planning. > > I strongly disagree. The installa

Simplify installation of non-free? (was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

"Ben Goodger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simplifying the installation of non-free graphics card drivers > should also be a priority, though not to the extent Canonical are > currently planning. I strongly disagree. The installation of non-free should *not* be a priority for the Debian project,

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

[Julian Andres Klode] > We should try to use binary packages provided by linux-modules-* or > other modules packages by default and fallback to m-a. You might want to check out the recent changes to discover and discover-data. It already had support for installing hardware specific packages usin

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On 8/8/07, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Hi Tim, > I'm a new (though fairly knowledgeable) Debian user and possibly a > prospective developer. Anyway, though I do like Debian a lot, one thing is > obvious - it lags somewhat behind as a desktop (or laptop) distribution as > compared to

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:22:55 +0200, Luca Brivio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This make sense to me. These two documents should be > enough. Sub-policies that don't fit the Policy Manual should be > included (at least at a first stage) in the wiki-based > handbook. Furthermore, the New Maintainers'

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On 8/8/07, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Tim, > > In addition, there is not reliable solution for suspend/hibernate, > especially > > from X. There still some way to go for X and the kernel to get to there. > > > The bundled suspend scripts seem to be improving somewhat, but they need >

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> I'm sad that this didn't get fixed in time for etch, but afaik it's > working fine for lenny. cpufrequtils contains an init script that loads > the appropriate governor module. It didn't seem to work for me. I guess I'll investigate further and possibly file a bug - because while the modules w

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

"Tim Hull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I disagree, as this applies to all drivers - not just non-free drivers. > As it stands, users have to figure out what chipset their hardware uses, > install "build-essential" and the proper driver source package, and then > m-a a-i the relevant package. Th

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> In addition, there is not reliable solution for suspend/hibernate, > especially > from X. There still some way to go for X and the kernel to get to there. The bundled suspend scripts seem to be improving somewhat, but they need work... Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Tim Hull wrote: >* Making laptop frequency scaling/suspend/etc work "out of the box" when >Laptop task is installed I'm sad that this didn't get fixed in time for etch, but afaik it's working fine for lenny. cpufrequtils contains an init script that loads the appropriate governor module.

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Am Mittwoch 08 August 2007 16:39 schrieb Ben Goodger: > On 08/08/2007, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Making laptop frequency scaling/suspend/etc work "out of the box" when > > Laptop task is installed > > We already have this on the desktop, from what I can see (there is evidence > of a

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > > At least with debian.org, it appears the CSS specifies a font of "Arial, > Helvetica, sans-serif", which means if msttcorefonts isn't installed, it > falls back to the ugly bitmap Helvetica fonts. Which seems more like a > bug > in the CSS for a website for free software, than in the web bro

Out of the box CPU frequency scaling (Was: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?)

[Tim Hull] > Regarding frequency scaling - it didn't work for me (I had to > manually enable it, though I didn't need a custom kernel or anything > like that). I'll investigate further and possibly file a bug. This is supposed to be handled automatically by the kernel when the cpufrequtils packa

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 01:38:18PM -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > > I just reported an ITP Bug for restricted-manager [1] > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436722 > > Just making sure you know this... You do not have to do this, and I think you have already realized why.

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wednesday 08 August 2007 01:24:06 pm Tim Hull wrote: > > I guess that is a bug in iceweasel wrt. the default parameters. > > > > Anyway, you should use epiphany instead, which doesn't have this issue > > in etch :) > > It's not just etch - this happens on lenny/sid as well. > I guess I should fi

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Am Mittwoch, den 08.08.2007, 10:23 -0400 schrieb Tim Hull: > adapting Ubuntu's Restricted Manager to work with m-a. Non-free > drivers would *only* be displayed if non-free is in the sources.list. We should also give the user the option to activate the component, like we do in gnome-app-install. -

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Am Mittwoch, den 08.08.2007, 13:38 -0400 schrieb Tim Hull: > > I just reported an ITP Bug for restricted-manager [1] > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436722 > -- > > It does need to be modified to work with Debian, though - such th

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 01:24:06PM -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > Regarding drivers, I know there are source packages in non-free (and main, > for some free but out-of-tree drivers) and the module-assistant will build > these. I was just suggesting a more GUI-oriented approach (like Ubuntu > Restricted

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 07:09:12PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 08 août 2007 à 11:20 -0400, Tim Hull a écrit : > > > Iceweasel on the default install is like this - debian.org and Gmail > > are two sites which demonstrate this. Instead of Bitstream Vera Sans > > (or Serif), parts

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 01:24:06PM -0400, Tim Hull wrote: > Regarding frequency scaling - it didn't work for me (I had to manually > enable it, though I didn't need a custom kernel or anything like that). > I'll investigate further and possibly file a bug. /etc/default/cpufrequtils is the place

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 07:07:14PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 08 août 2007 à 10:23 -0400, Tim Hull a écrit : > > * Making laptop frequency scaling/suspend/etc work "out of the box" > > when Laptop task is installed > > It works out of the box in etch, with the cpufreq applet for

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > > I just reported an ITP Bug for restricted-manager [1] > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436722 > -- It does need to be modified to work with Debian, though - such that it pulls the drivers using m-a instead of using Ubuntu's "restricted-modules" package. Just making

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Am Mittwoch, den 08.08.2007, 13:24 -0400 schrieb Tim Hull: > > Regarding drivers, I know there are source packages in non-free (and > main, for some free but out-of-tree drivers) and the module-assistant > will build these. I was just suggesting a more GUI-oriented approach > (like Ubuntu Restri

Bug#436722: ITP: restricted-manager -- manage non-free hardware drivers

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Julian Andres Klode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: restricted-manager Version : 0.25 Upstream Author : Ubuntu * URL : http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/source/restricted-manager *

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > > > I guess that is a bug in iceweasel wrt. the default parameters. > > Anyway, you should use epiphany instead, which doesn't have this issue > in etch :) It's not just etch - this happens on lenny/sid as well. I guess I should file a bug on this - it appears to be fixed in Ubuntu, so maybe

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Le mercredi 08 août 2007 à 11:20 -0400, Tim Hull a écrit : > Iceweasel on the default install is like this - debian.org and Gmail > are two sites which demonstrate this. Instead of Bitstream Vera Sans > (or Serif), parts of these sites use some fugly bitmap font instead > (or a fugly TrueType fon

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Le mercredi 08 août 2007 à 10:23 -0400, Tim Hull a écrit : > * Making laptop frequency scaling/suspend/etc work "out of the box" > when Laptop task is installed It works out of the box in etch, with the cpufreq applet for the former and gnome-power-manager for the latter (provided the hardware is

Bug#436718: ITP: parcelle -- A Python/PyGTK clipboard manager

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: parcelle Version: 1.0.2 Upstream Author: Xyhthyx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL: http://code.google.com/p/xyhthyx/ License: GPLv3 Description: A Python/PyGTK clipboard manager.

Bug#436705: ITP: gsutil -- configure and manage Grandstream BudgeTone 100 VOIP and GX2000 phones

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Julien Danjou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: gsutil Version : 3.0 Upstream Author : Charles Howes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.pkts.ca/gsutil.shtml * License : GPL Programming Lang: Perl Description

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

> > > > We already have this on the desktop, from what I can see (there is > > evidence of a scaling-module-loading-thingummy running on boot) > > > Yes, it loads, but the default scaling governor is set to "userspace". As powernowd isn't included in the desktop task, this effectly means no CPU sc

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

On 08/08/2007, Tim Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm a new (though fairly knowledgeable) Debian user and possibly a > prospective developer. Anyway, though I do like Debian a lot, one thing is > obvious - it lags somewhat behind as a desktop (or laptop) distribution as > compared to m

Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

Hi, I'm a new (though fairly knowledgeable) Debian user and possibly a prospective developer. Anyway, though I do like Debian a lot, one thing is obvious - it lags somewhat behind as a desktop (or laptop) distribution as compared to many other distributions (notably Ubuntu, which is of course base

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

Nico Golde ha scritto: > I don't want to run down this idea but wouldn't the > result be nearly the same as the new maintainers guide + > developers reference + things you think are missing from the > current documentation but can be added? Our intention is to create an exhaustive documentatio

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

On 8/8/07, François Févotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > On 8/8/07, Davide Truffa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > we are a few wannabe-DD who think it would be really helpful to have a > > comprehensive packaging manual covering just all technical topics about > > making and maintaining D

Re: Is Chris Leishman (masklin) MIA?

Hi Jose, On Wednesday 8 August 2007 15:00, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > I think he's clearly MIA and sending him an email for checking would be > a waste of time and his packages should be orphaned as quickly as could. Please don't make such an assumption. Emailing him is virtually no effor

Is Chris Leishman (masklin) MIA?

Hi, Checking some things for a build-dependency I will need, I found that Chris Leishman (aka masklin)[0] had not uploaded a package since 27/10/2004[1] and the packages have clearly new updates. I think he's clearly MIA and sending him an email for checking would be a waste of time and his packa

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

François Févotte ha scritto: > Thanks for the initiative. I entirely agree with you: I also use to > spend some time switching back and forth between the different > available documents, and I would definitely use such a unified, > comprehensive packaging manual. We think this is exactly the probl

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

Alle mer 8 agosto 2007, Lars Wirzenius ha scritto: > On ke, 2007-08-08 at 14:12 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Without that structure, and a strict policy of being *only* an index > > to existing documents, I don't see how this project would avoid > > creating yet-another-document to read, compoundin

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Davide Truffa wrote: Hi all, we are a few wannabe-DD who think it would be really helpful to have a comprehensive packaging manual covering just all technical topics about making and maintaining Debian packages. Since the beginning of July, I have started writing a book a

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

Alle mer 8 agosto 2007, Luca Capello ha scritto: > Hello! > > On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:27:14 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > One step might be to convert the New Maintainer's Guide into the > > wiki format, then importing any missing information from the Debian > > Developers' Reference to it. Putti

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

Alle mer 8 agosto 2007, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto: > > The goal is from my POV to produce something much more complete and > > with a different scope: while the NMG etc. are (roughly) tutorials > > targeted to people who want to make their first packages etc., the DPH > > would be a rich manual f

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

Hello! On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:27:14 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > One step might be to convert the New Maintainer's Guide into the > wiki format, then importing any missing information from the Debian > Developers' Reference to it. Putting it all in the wiki is good, so > that it is more easily e

Re: Debian Packaging Handbook project

Hello, On 8/8/07, Davide Truffa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > we are a few wannabe-DD who think it would be really helpful to have a > comprehensive packaging manual covering just all technical topics about > making and maintaining Debian packages. On 8/8/07, Luca Brivio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

Hello, On 8/8/07, David Claughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, I don't want to be a nuisance, but this has been puzzling me for > a few days now - I can't figure out how the license of a binary package > compiled from a source package could not be derived by combining the > licenses of the

Bug#436550: RFA: glipper - A clipboard manager for GNOME

Package: wnpp Severity: normal X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Glipper is currently my package in Debian at 0.95.1-3 and that version is written in C and uses a binary data file which has raised one bug (#436078). There is now a new release that closes this bug, my problem is that v1.

Re: adduser/deluser on postinst

On Tue, Aug 07, 2007, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > I think that we should standarise user creation/deletion in maintainer > scripts. True; some notes on: -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wi