Re: getting rid of "testing"

2019-06-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
codenames, some not, same for numbers - the real question is: Does it really matters? This is a bad summary. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: getting rid of "testing"

2019-06-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
term support" They still have to resolve what that means, right? You don't want them putting "stable" in pinning etc. for the reason you list above. So, they still have to map stable → codename, and could just as easily map stable → version number. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowl

Re: getting rid of "testing"

2019-06-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
what Ubuntu do, if we wanted to increase the remember-or-computability of the current version. I do like how easy it is to look at an existing release number and be able to establish how old it is (aah, 18.04, was released in April 2018) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄⠀

Re: Debian, so ugly and unwieldy!

2019-06-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
at a different point in the release cycle to now. In the past, this has been worked on via the debian-desktop@ list. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: @debian.org mail

2019-06-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
, as a project, considering whether we would like something different to what we have now, and I guess that's exactly what this thread is. Best conducted at a project (requirements) level rather DSA (solutions) level. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC

Re: Buster/XFCE unlock screen is blank

2019-06-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
different for desktop environments.) I cannot reproduce it with gnome (1:3.30+1) running in an Xorg session (rather than Wayland). Perhaps it has been fixed. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: NMUs: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
the distribution more quickly. -- Jonathan Dowland

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ian/rules/ 2. https://tracker.debian.org/news/449441/accepted-doom-wad-shareware-19fixed-2-source-all/ -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Do we want to Require or Recommend DH

2019-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
twice (with and without dh), inspects the resulting changes to the binary packages with diffoscope and is confident that each change is appropriate. Here you state your opinion but you haven't provided any rationale for it. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net

Re: PPAs (Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR))

2019-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
my sub-thread is a hijack, but to be clear what I was referring to was the naming of the pre-existing "Bikeshed" proposal for Debian, which is equivalent to PPAs. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: is Wayland mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
. Would the GNOME team kindly share with this thread the criteria that you folks use to make your decision as to whether to default to Wayland in Debian? Best wishes -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: [Idea] Debian User Repository? (Not simply mimicing AUR)

2019-04-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
"Bikeshed" is a bad idea. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

is Wayland/Weston mature enough to be the default desktop choice in Buster?

2019-04-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Bug#924270: O: keepassx -- Cross Platform Password Manager

2019-03-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Bug#923300: ITP: golang-github-openshift-imagebuilder -- Builds Dockerfile using the Docker client

2019-03-01 Thread Jonathan Dowland
dependency of the buildah tool. I would love to see that (and podman) packaged in Debian. Thanks for working towards this. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Salsa CI news

2019-02-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 11:19:35AM -0300, Inaki Malerba wrote: On behalf of the Salsa CI Team I'm pleased to announce some of the changes we've been working on this weekend. We don't have an official mailing list, so please excuse us if this is not the place for this kind of announcements.

Accepted wadc 3.0-1 (source all) into unstable

2019-02-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:53:18 + Source: wadc Binary: wadc Architecture: source all Version: 3.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description: wadc

Re: Recreating history of a package

2019-02-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
uot; https://packages.debian.org/sid/dgit -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: package management symlink

2019-02-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
), and the package managers are a small part of all the differences between distributions. That said, if you want to pursue this, the route above is how to do it. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: confused about virtual build-depends libcurl-dev

2019-01-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
process populates that path needs to please be updated. Thanks! Or alternatively: if linking to arbitrary files in [1] is to be deprecated we could change the link in the debian-policy document instead. [1] https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/ -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland

Re: introduction of x-www-browser virtual package

2019-01-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ithin the constraints of Debian stable release policies. That's a very sensible decision for GNOME-in-Debian. I think it would be wise of all the DEs in Debian (with possibly the notable exception of KDE) aligned accordingly. I'll take this to pkg-lxde-maintain...@alioth-lists.debian.net as the ne

Re: introduction of x-www-browser virtual package

2019-01-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
also modifying the .desktop file to use xdg-open) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

introduction of x-www-browser virtual package

2019-01-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Accepted zdbsp 1.19+20181027+dfsg.1-2 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2019-01-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 19:03:48 + Source: zdbsp Binary: zdbsp Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.19+20181027+dfsg.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description

Accepted trash-cli 0.17.1.14-2 (source) into unstable

2018-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:43:18 + Source: trash-cli Binary: trash-cli Architecture: source Version: 0.17.1.14-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Stefano Karapetsas Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description: trash

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
this is a constructive comment. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
our next release but the one after. ¹ I can't remember our own code names any more. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:31:40AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I'll upgrade to 7.6 and see what happens. I've upgraded and /bin -> /usr/bin However I didn't correctly check this before so it might have already happened. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
have a merged /usr. It was, however, running a much earlier version of 7.x originally. I can't remember which. I'll upgrade to 7.6 and see what happens. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Accepted wadc 2.2-3 (source) into unstable

2018-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:42:52 + Source: wadc Binary: wadc Architecture: source Version: 2.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description: wadc - programming

Accepted glbsp 2.24-4 (source) into unstable

2018-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:41:41 + Source: glbsp Binary: libglbsp-dev libglbsp3 glbsp Architecture: source Version: 2.24-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description

Re: Iptables on Sid

2018-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
a bug, is to check whether it has already been filed. And that's what the page Ian linked to says. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: git vs dfsg tarballs

2018-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
in upstream branches to git repos) and I imagine is common on Salsa, too. In practise we are not applying the DFSG to the content of the VCS, the wiki, or really much except the archive. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Opt-in to continue as DD/DM? (was: I resigned in 2004)

2018-11-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I suggest the exact algorithm(s) used by <https://contributors.debian.org/>; any shortcomings there should be fixed there. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
their Vcs-Git pointing at salsa.../debian/*. (contrast this to the alioth arrangement, where the Maintainer: field was also set to indicate this) Therefore, the salsa "Debian" project is carrying a lot more meaning than any other salsa project, or other potential VCS URI. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿

Re: Installer: 32 vs. 64 bit

2018-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
the kernel modules and passing the course. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
to differ, there's a huge difference of visibility between the "main" Debian project, to which we are all members, and personal namespaces. Not least the lack of any implied rules of behaviour. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am

Re: Installer: 32 vs. 64 bit

2018-11-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
suggestion. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
that the sky did not fall and perhaps there are many advantages to this arrangement. But of course, the wiki docs can be improved, including by you :-) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: salsa.debian.org: merge requests and such

2018-11-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
and/or the project of your package sources in the Debian project (more eyes, bus factor…) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Uncoordinated upload of the rustified librsvg

2018-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 12:37:30PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 06, 2018 at 11:58:57AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Well, if it wasn't for me, we'd probably be shipping the 2.40-version of librsrv in Debian Buster and Firefox would be missing on a couple of release

Re: Uncoordinated upload of the rustified librsvg

2018-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
sn't exist in Debian anymore. Debian's Dictionary is in a weird order; "Thank You" is right next to the definition of "Entitlement" -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Uncoordinated upload of the rustified librsvg

2018-11-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
to bring -devel into this. All it does it cost the rest of us a small amount of effort to bother looking it up. Instead I think it would be both more polite and more effective to name them directly, AND ensure to CC them on the mail discussing them. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-11-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
objection, I think the former category of company is what's important. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Bug#912745: ITP: libregexp-wildcards-perl -- converts wildcard expressions to Perl regular expressions

2018-11-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 04:25:15PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: s/joker/wildcard/ ? Not sure here. Seems in English "joker" is unusual to describe a wildcard, unlike other languages. If some native English speaker could comment? In English, in the context of a deck of cards, Joker and

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-11-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
the hypothetical competing company would be too bashful to ask us to update the website. And we could pre-empt the situation by making a clear statement as to the project's position on listing Freexian (essentially codifying what I'm writing here, somewhere) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
n as default). I should get on and do it. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
policy, and helping to explain the perspective of outsiders looking at our policies and coming to different conclusions to the old-timers. It's valid, we just need to follow through in the right place (-policy or in a bug) and fix policy wording. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
on Debian. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Mass bugfiling potential: bundled implementation of md5

2018-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 09:32:57AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: I dont think delaying fixes is a the best solution. Especially since that's prioritising backports (support: maintainer best-effort, as-is basis, use with care) over our main release (full support) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
; but I'm not motivated to spend more time investigating. Someone more troubled than I by this should both do that & file the relevant bugs. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Accepted trash-cli 0.17.1.14-1 (source) into unstable

2018-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 15:17:07 +0100 Source: trash-cli Binary: trash-cli Architecture: source Version: 0.17.1.14-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Stefano Karapetsas Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description: trash

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
actly this package to get this feature to work" -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
There's room for improvement there. mutt (1.9.2-1) is worse Error: verification failed: Unsupported protocol both with the default configurations. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
/Muttrc files too. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-23 Thread Jonathan Dowland
case basis. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: tinysshd dependency on systemd

2018-10-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ntrol file) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
be installed on a different machine to a MarieDB server. , or how libxt6 does /not/ depend on an X server package, and so on, and so forth.) Same idea: separation of client and server. The same is not true for libgpgme11. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 09:09:38AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Thanks for passing that along: I'm using it with Exim and haven't noticed this particular problem, but it's useful to know it could happen. Ah, because I have User=nobody, and so the systemd sub-process can't reap the privileged

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
problem, but it's useful to know it could happen. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
abit, because I have a lot of useful information in my journal. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: You are not seriously considering dropping the support of sysVinit?!

2018-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
when stuff leaks through my killfile via quotes in your (or other people's) mails. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ect, and I don't condone it. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
is to get a good spam filter. It's effectively a solved problem these days. Hiding addresses makes legitimate use of mail harder. Why let spammers make our lives harder? -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Accepted smartmontools 6.6-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2018-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:03:35 +0100 Source: smartmontools Binary: smartmontools Architecture: source amd64 Version: 6.6-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Giuseppe Iuculano Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
proposing they do now) *as well* as a rapidly growing delta of sysvinit-support/initscripts in lots of other packages, as they steadily rotted in Debian. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to debian-devel.

Re: Re-evaluating architecture inclusion in unstable/experimental

2018-10-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
nt hacking, debugging, learning and teaching, is worth nothing. The same is true for any dropped port, but beware of the sunk cost fallacy. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Asciidoc transition to the python3 implementation or just EOL

2018-10-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
output and use it in preference. I'd suggest that tangible reasons for using asciidoc (py2 or py3) over asciidoctor should be identified, to decide whether to persist with packaging it. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed

Re: Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
tself does not necessarily imply an increase in complexity. For example we've discussed the idea of declarative maintainer scripts as (part of) a potential solution: I'd argue that these are far simpler than anything-goes shell scripts. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄⠀

Re: Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
archive, so adding the features being discussed won't protect users who run external install scripts like these two examples. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
a second sources list for 3rd-party-links. This would not restrict what those packages would do, so it's orthogonal to what we are discussing here. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
*could* consider rewriting Debian to be based on appimage/flatpak/snappy Appimage does not provide the isolation features we are discussing here. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄

Re: Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
. I think an important step for figuring out what to contain would be to audit all existing {pre,post}inst scripts and categorize them by what they do (areas of the filesystem they read or write to; network access; device access; etc.) * on Linux, at least. Not sure about KFreeBSD. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿

Re: Re-evaluating architecture inclusion in unstable/experimental

2018-10-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
years ago, IIRC. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

request to collaboratively maintain rss2email

2018-09-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
to collaboratively maintain rss2email? If so I am happy to start the bureaucracy-ball rolling by creating a Salsa project debian/rss2email and mirroring the former-Alioth git refs into it. Best wishes -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed

Re: Bumping epoch and reusing package name "elisa"

2018-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
or Debian) version numbers even if you have an epoch. That may make Michael's suggestions more attractive. +1 from me. Epochs are not only painful for maintainers, they are confusing for users too. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am

Re: Updating the policy for conflicting binaries names ? [was: Re: Re: New package netgen-lvs with binary /usr/bin/netgen - already taken]

2018-09-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
quot; well-known these days? I'm surprised not to see it mentioned more often. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Updating the policy for conflicting binaries names ? [was: Re: Re: New package netgen-lvs with binary /usr/bin/netgen - already taken]

2018-09-11 Thread Jonathan Dowland
in the packaging of the dependents). -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Bug#906250: ITP: execline -- small and non-interactive scripting language

2018-09-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Let's start salvaging packages! -- draft text now available

2018-08-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
now. I've been wanting to pick back up sorting out wiki content licensing after a long haitus but haven't had the time or spoons yet. -- Jonathan Dowland

Re: Let's start salvaging packages! -- let's start working on the text.

2018-08-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
this difficulty for me, so thanks! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Login - with which keyboard settings?

2018-08-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-08-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 02:35:19PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I think it would be worthwhile to file a BTS bug so it can be easily tracked which versions of the package we distribute still carry this bug, so I will do that. Done here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug

Re: Let's start salvaging packages!

2018-08-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
process dep.debian.net, which hasn't had much exercise in recent months. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: vmdebootstrap going away in September, switch now

2018-07-31 Thread Jonathan Dowland
to rest so thoroughly afterwards! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-26 Thread Jonathan Dowland
o demonize a position that Adam disagrees with. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 04:15:12PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: As a pre-amble side-note, some issues of offending users with homophobic language have been addressed upstream, and I think we should aim to carry these patches in stable/testing/unstable. (I don't think we have processes

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 12:44:01PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: I can't help but understand your message as "if you don't agree, you haven't understood" which I don't find very helpful. Dmitry is not claiming to disagree; he's stating that he doesn't understand. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 01:34:19PM +1000, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: On Friday, 20 July 2018 12:50:12 AM AEST Jonathan Dowland wrote: Have you read Matthew Vernon's reply to OP in this thread? Does that not explain it? Matthew did not convince me. IMHO his explanation is weak as it boils down

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
object to the offensive names being provided as compatibility symlinks, so long as they are shipped in a separate binary package, using the already-established practice of suffixing "-offensive" to the binary package name. I'll stop here for now, plenty to discuss already. [1] ht

Re: Should the weboob package stay in Debian?

2018-07-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
uot; or "arm", it becomes just ridiculous. Do you mean: it would be ridiculous to perform s/boobs/arm/ in the package? Indeed it would be. Or do you mean it would be ridiculous to object to *arm* in packages or binary names? Nobody is doing that. Or do you mean something else? -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦

Accepted crispy-doom 5.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable, unstable

2018-07-14 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 14:37:21 +0100 Source: crispy-doom Binary: crispy-doom Architecture: source amd64 Version: 5.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Games Team Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description

Re: workarounds for Planet bugs?

2018-07-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
to bother them to try changing their whole blog unless there is a known workaround for the issue that they can enable without too much effort. Perhaps you can get access to Planet Debian's run logs to see what error reporting those blogs trigger, if any. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https

Accepted wadc 2.2-2 (source) into unstable

2018-07-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 18:52:23 +0100 Source: wadc Binary: wadc Architecture: source Version: 2.2-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description: wadc - programming

Accepted duc 1.4.3-4 (source amd64) into unstable

2018-07-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 21:58:21 +0100 Source: duc Binary: duc-nox duc Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.4.3-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland Changed-By: Jonathan Dowland Description: duc

Re: Bug#895246: gconf: Intent to Adopt

2018-05-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
ecently disappointed to discover win16 finally stopped working with the move to 64 bit. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Firefox 60esr on Stretch ?

2018-05-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
a mechanism to yank all those packages out of testing once we've entered a freeze. Interesting idea. Do we then not consider testing to be the proving ground for the next stable release, until freeze time? Do you think this would result in longer freezes, or not? -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland

Accepted lhasa 0.3.1-3 (source) into unstable

2018-05-09 Thread Jonathan Dowland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 23:45:00 +0100 Source: lhasa Binary: lhasa liblhasa-dev liblhasa0 Architecture: source Version: 0.3.1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jonathan Dowland <j...@debian.org> Changed-By: Jo

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-02-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 03:34:50PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Tue, 2018-02-06 at 13:31 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 05:06:00PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > This is one of the many situations where I'd like developers to *ask* > when unsure or unc

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-02-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
for somebody. Maybe introducing epochs should force a round-trip through NEW... -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

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