Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - "What package does your bug report belong to?" points to user support groups

2012-02-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:12:28AM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > Ah, OK. If the request is going to be "Why am I experiencing problem > foo?", then it makes sense on debian-user. In that case, the problem > is just phrasing (in the current phrasing, the user is already at > the step of reporting

Re: Bug#655999: [bugs.debian.org] Reporting documentation - "What package does your bug report belong to?" points to user support groups

2012-02-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:25:26PM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > [Forgot to Cc joy] > > >>debian-user's topic is user support. > >> > >>For technical discussions about development, the default group is > >>debian-devel@lists.debian.org. > >>Reference: > >>http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/webwm

Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test grub2")

2010-05-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:08:21AM +0100, Chris Carr wrote: > On 25/05/2010 10:00, Harald Braumann wrote: >> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: >>> (4) Users need to test grub2 now. >> >> I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different >> systems wit

Re: Xen, Squeeze, and Beyond

2010-02-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:03:46AM +0300, William Pitcock wrote: > There are also no pvops dom0 kernel packages shipped by Debian yet, at > least through official channels. > > While you are correct that pvops is the future, right now it's no better > reliability-wise then the 2.6.18 xensource pat

Re: Xen, Squeeze, and Beyond

2010-02-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:06:57AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Marco d'Itri, le Fri 26 Feb 2010 02:38:33 +0100, a écrit : > > On Feb 25, John Goerzen wrote: > > > 3a) What about Linux virtualization on servers that lack hardware > > > virtualization support, which Xen supports but KVM doesn't?

Re: Xen, Squeeze, and Beyond

2010-02-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:35:36AM +, Mark Brown wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > According to the wiki the plan is to have pv-ops merge into vanilla with > > 2.6.34. > > I just took a quick look at linux-next (which *should* have everything >

Re: Xen, Squeeze, and Beyond

2010-02-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> "Xen - Provides para-virtualization and full-virtualization. Mostly used > >> on servers. Will be abandoned after squeeze." > > > > I think that the problem here is that Xen isn't mainstream in the > > kernel. It takes a lo

Re: Xen, Squeeze, and Beyond

2010-02-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 01:23:07AM +0300, William Pitcock wrote: > I am looking into packaging xenner already as a backup plan if I cannot > manage to fix some major reentrancy problems in the Xen dom0 code > (Xensource 2.6.18 patches, the pvops stuff has it's own share of problems > and needs more

Re: Xen, Squeeze, and Beyond

2010-02-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:35:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > On 26 February 2010 09:53, John Goerzen wrote: > > According to http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization : > > > > "Qemu and KVM - Mostly used on Desktops/Laptops" > > > > "VirtualBox - Mostly used on Desktops/Laptops" > > > > "Xen -

Re: Bits from the ftp team

2008-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:03:15AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > On 2008-05-30 10:32:00.00 Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> - We added some new and long-awaited pseudo packages. > > >Speaking of which, can you please also do the right thing and give &g

Re: Bits from the ftp team

2008-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 01:08:42AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > - Britney, *the* central tool of the release team to manage the testing >distribution, finally lives with the release team[9], where it belongs >to, and is no longer run by us. It's very good to see such decentralization. Do

Re: ftp.debian.org update

2007-12-08 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:45:57AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 08:52:00PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: > > If you're using it now, please switch to a country-based DNS name > > such as ftp.us.debian.org, ftp.ca.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org, ... &

Re: Default mail-transport-agent

2007-10-25 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 05:42:57PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Something like nullmailer or ssmtp. Sadly, both of those are pretty crappy. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PR

Re: Can we require build-arch/indep targets for lenny?

2007-06-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 10:47:24AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > debian/rules build-arch || (test $? -eq 2 && debian/rules build) > > > > must work and exit with a status of 0. > > Which causes double builds in case something fails with error 2. How often does something fail with error

Re: to join wmakerconf and wmakerconf-data packages

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:56:29AM -0300, Herbert P Fortes Neto wrote: > I think it is also a good idea to join the wmakerconf and > wmakerconf-data debian packages. I would like to know if there is > a reason to not join wmakerconf debian package and wmakerconf-data > debian package in only one d

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:15:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > If I already have access and I get an itch, I will scratch it. If I > > > don't, I will either forget about it or complain. I am unlikely to go > > > through whatever bureaucracy is set up to request access. Whether or > > > n

Re: cvs commit access to webwml files (Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams)

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:29:01AM +0200, Bart Martens wrote: > But I did the effort of finding the procedure and asking for cvs commit > access to the webwml files. To my surprise I got the access granted > within 24 hours. Truth be told, you were reasonably lucky to get Matt's ACK and Joey's ad

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:15:08PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > > > The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that > > > it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt. > > > > Where did you hear this? > > Word of mouth, usually in conjunction with promises t

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:06:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Because most people don't bother when they want to fix only a small > detail in a web page. Well, when I want to fix a small detail in some other part of Debian, I usually send a mail or file a bug, I don't automatically think tha

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:45:17PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: > > Anyway, before we get lost in all this prediction stuff, I'm yet to hear > > a good reason why we need complete triviality in the access method, as > > opposed to the kind of triviality we have had for years now: all that is > > neces

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:25:21AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > > Well, at least it was different... ftp.debian.org is an even more horrible > > default, because that's burdering one single machine maxing out its FE card, > > where we have a network of >300 mirrors out there that

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:37:45PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: > > It's not unfair to say that web editing is by and large much a easier thing > > compared to coding the C library. Consequently, the number of people who > > know how to do it, as well as the people who *think* they know how to do it,

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:10:09PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: > > How were things working in the debian-glibc CVS? Did accidents or hot > > discussions hapen because of the very opened commit access? > > No more so than happens today with the more closed SVN repo. But it's not necessarily an indic

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 07:53:30PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that > it's a herculean task that no mere mortal should attempt. Where did you hear this? How does all that documentation we have had for years at http://www.debia

Re: Wanted: introductory page for all teams

2007-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:58:54PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > and the debian-www team is recovering from the > > > shock that HTML 4.01 has been released recently and that CSS2 is almost > > > stable (err wait, I wasn't reading my calendar properly, we're in 2007 > > > not 1997, sorry). >

Re: A sane guess at default Debian mirror for pbuilder

2007-05-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 09:50:23AM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > > debootstrap: > > uses ftp.debian.org as default mirror. > > debconf questions aside, I think ftp.debian.org is a much saner *default* > than ftp.jp.debian.org. I've always wondered where the later silly default > came fr

Re: Are popcon stats per package and arch possible?

2007-05-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 04:10:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > I must note the coolness of how many more 'secondary' architecture > > installations we are attaining with etch. > > Wouldn't that just be because with Etch we again offer to install popcon > during new installations? We did not do th

Re: Are popcon stats per package and arch possible?

2007-05-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:40:34AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 11:14:32AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [...] > >44 0.13% hppa > >52 0.15% alpha > >53 0.15% mipsel > > 171 0.49% sparc > > 448 1.27% powerpc > > 615 1.75% arm > > [

Re: The number of etch installations is rocketing...

2007-05-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 12:21:09AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > > Looking at the submission numbers from > > http://popcon.debian.org/>, I am happy to report that the number > > of Etch installations is increasing fast. > > IMHO there are some ways we could track get some better

Re: Bug#422498: RFH: gentoo -- a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager

2007-05-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 03:15:07PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > > The packaging is mostly clean, as it's a fairly straightforward software > > package these days. > > Out of curiosity, did it ever come with hardware? :-) Heh. I said 'software package' to avoid the ambiguity of just saying

Bug#422498: RFH: gentoo -- a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager

2007-05-06 Thread Josip Rodin
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Hi everyone, I'd like to (eventually) give away the Debian package of the gentoo file manager to someone who uses it. I found that I stopped doing that :/ The packaging is mostly clean, as it's a fairly straightforward software package these days. (People who ju

prospect of non-US?

2007-01-29 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, What is the current prospect for the non-US archive? I'm leaning towards removing it from the mirror submission web page, it seems like clutter there. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2007-01-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 01:12:56PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > For those of you who are afraid about reliability of a DNSBL, > I can highly recommend cbl.abuseat.org as the absolute minimum. > This list (called CBL for short) has the following properties: > > * Takes its data from very large spa

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-31 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 02:19:02PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I figure it's a consequence of the ldapmodify default changetype being > > 'replace'. I suppose that's a sane default, but it could still be a bit > > confusing to people who don't know/notice. > > Nothing new here, this is how th

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 05:14:30PM +0100, Francois Petillon wrote: > As we have started to collect stats, out of 1K connections, there are from > 30 to 50 connections that look like sender verify. This is quite low right > now but it could be harmful on big domains if more people use it. Yes. Just

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 04:44:06PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > It's sad to see Debian promoting and supporting use of antisocial > > > software. > > There's nothing more anti-social in sender verification than in any other > > similar check - if someone sends mail from an address that cannot b

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 03:32:02PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > >> I've seen a lot of announcement/verification emails (such as Amazon > >> orders) which go out from an address that does not exist - presumably > >> such emails would be blocked by sender verification? > > Yes. Sender callo

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 02:10:14PM +, Paul Waring wrote: > I've seen a lot of announcement/verification emails (such as Amazon > orders) which go out from an address that does not exist - presumably > such emails would be blocked by sender verification? Yes. Sender callout verification is ba

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 05:34:28AM -0800, Ryan Murray wrote: [...] > The mail gateway, web scripts, and userdir-ldap command line interface > have all been updated to deal with the new fields. Thanks Ryan. As usual, you do the right thing. I'm still sad that we all have to wait for you to get suff

Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates

2006-12-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 02:49:20PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > * Mail sender verification callouts > It's sad to see Debian promoting and supporting use of antisocial > software. There's nothing more anti-social in sender verification than in any other similar check - if someone sends mail

Re: Orphaning my packages

2006-09-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:38:17AM +0200, Jan C. Nordholz wrote: > > > > > > * rxvt > > > > as a user of rxvt I like to see it remain in Debian. I'm not a Debian > > > > developer > > > > > > Same for me. I'd also take rxvt and am no DD either. Michael, maybe > > > you'd like to agree on some kind

Re: Orphaning my packages

2006-09-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:02:42AM +0200, Jan C. Nordholz wrote: > > > * rxvt > > as a user of rxvt I like to see it remain in Debian. I'm not a Debian > > developer > > Same for me. I'd also take rxvt and am no DD either. Michael, maybe you'd > like to agree on some kind of team maintenance? My w

Re: developers reference revisited

2004-10-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:09:23PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > the developers reference was much updated in the last time. [...] > If there are any issues or suggestions, please don't hesitate to speak > to me. For example, why clutter debian-devel-announce with things like these? This is certai

Re: No list archives getting updated at all

2003-12-11 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 06:37:57PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote: > It isn't just debian-boot; none of the lists I checked at random have > been updated past that date and time. No responses have been logged in > the audit trail either, which for an 'important' severity is disturbing. > > listarchive

Re: recovery status update

2003-12-09 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:37:55PM -0500, Aaron M. Ucko wrote: > - how to verify that katie will process uploads as expected (I'd been > running dinstall -n, via dput -D; I suppose it would be possible to > upload separately to the mirror and test there, but that's awkward.) Seems to me that,

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:32:20PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > > > > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. > > > Again, read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. Difficult isn't > > > the same

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:10:54AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > It also means that, if it were easy to add some redundancy, > > it would already have happened. Which in turn means that it's hard. > > Again, read what I wrote, not what you imagine I wrote. Difficult isn't > the same as impossibl

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:10:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend > > > > on a single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back and > > > > bites us in the ass whenever there's the slightest bit of a problem. > > > Why

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:48:00PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Since you're posting that as the DPL you're asking for the following > > reply. Sorry :) > > > > It's been proven plenty of times that whenever we have task depend on a > > single person doing it, the lack of redundancy comes back

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:12:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > And even if the ITP is filed in time, you can work for the waste > basked since final ftpmaster approval can only be applied for after > all work is done. > > And there are many cases where Debian has said "no, we don't want your > pack

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:17:07PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > ITP means simply "intent to package". Anyone can, and judging by this case > > probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or > > the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw your ITP later. > > Good beha

Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of > > complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to > > co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from your > > combined efforts. > > A

Re: MIPS port backlog, autobuilder machines and some arrogance

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 12:53:39AM +1100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: > I am trying to get a new hard drive for this machine, but unfortunately > the hardware donations manager is currently on vacation and hasn't > responded to my mail yet; we might just buy one if he doesn't r

Re: Some observations regardig the progress towards Debian 3.1

2003-11-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:42:20PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Please read it, and make your own opinions on where I'm right and where > I'm wrong, even if you might not agree with my opinions on other issues > or if you don't agree with everything below. Nice of you to vent steam onto the mailing

Re: ftpmaster accepts packages that have been rejected a few days ago

2003-11-12 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 11:29:07AM +, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > We have procedures in place to handle all this, perhaps it's time you > learnt to use those, instead of whining about things which aren't even > the case. No way, man. We simply have to have people repeat the same fodder on debi

Re: Sarge Jigdo files incompatible with Debian mirror

2003-11-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:17:59PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I wanted to try Sarge installer for a new box and thus I used jigdo with > > > http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo > > Unfortunately one package seems to be removed from the mirrors (s

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:51:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping generalizations all > > the time. > > /me hands Josip an Excellence in Un-self-conscious Irony Award I was merely responding to a sentence written with the same beginning, bu

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:59:26PM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: > > > > It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping generalizations > > > > all the time. > > "All the time"? ... Someone has been saying that every once in a while for the last N years. -- 2. That which causes joy or ha

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:56:37AM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: > > > It would be helpful if Debian could even be installed on machines newer > > > than about 2 years old. > > > > It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping generalizations all the > > time. Only a part of the new machines are

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:53:36AM -0600, Chris Cheney wrote: > It would be helpful if Debian could even be installed on machines newer > than about 2 years old. It would be helpful if people wouldn't make sweeping generalizations all the time. Only a part of the new machines are made with hardwar

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:15:29PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > It is documented to be a Makefile. That _is_ the > > > interface definition. > > > > Actually, we don't know that. The original documentation did not explicitely > > say that all rules files absolutely need to be makefiles,

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 07:55:00PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > If you do not stick to the documented interfaces, you lose the > ability in my eyes to express outrage when the interfaces you use change. Except one important difference -- in this case, NOTHING CHANGES in the interface if the policy

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 09:54:13PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > It is documented to be a Makefile. That _is_ the > interface definition. Actually, we don't know that. The original documentation did not explicitely say that all rules files absolutely need to be makefiles, but we warped i

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-20 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:06:30AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Summary of the auction so far: > > Steve bet on Manoj and Josip on Wichert. > > Deuce. We might be more successful in resolving the issue if some people stopped thinking of it as an ad hominem flamewar. :p > > The interface to th

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 03:58:19PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > I've yet to see a technical argument for allowing debian/rules to be a > non-makefile. I've yet to see a technical argument for disallowing debian/rules from being a non-makefile. See, those two statements make the same amount of

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:50:41AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > But it's a historic injustice, > > Help! Help! I'm being repressed! > The Man is keeping me down! > Up with perl, down with make! > Power to the people! We share an enthusiasm for overloaded phrases, I see :) but a small verbal

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:18:51PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > this-and-that function of Make" (so far I remember only two of those, when > > the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS env. variable was added and when testing for existence > > of build-arch was added). > > ... which was a fiasco. Doogie finally i

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 04:37:45PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > 88029 > > yeah well. That is not all the dfiscussion there was on it. In > March 2001, we had more than those comments on it: Nah, I saw that one as well, and I'm fairly sure I answered it back then. If not, please let m

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 02:31:07PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > One reason that comes to mind [...] We've heard it all before. Kindly refer to bug #88029. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:00:19PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > You aren't trying to make debian/rules a jam script are you? > > > > Even if he was, that would be fine if he knew how to do it properly. > >Policy 4.8: > >This file must be an executable makefile, and contains the >

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 12:20:03PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > You aren't trying to make debian/rules a jam script are you? Even if he was, that would be fine if he knew how to do it properly. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:09:10PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > However, at least lm-sensors and i2c need attention soon. The i2c bugs are due to some major upstream breakage. I don't see how we're really going to handle that stuff, the situation is just plain old ugly. (FWIW I still haven't (mad

Re: Uploader field in debian/control?

2003-10-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 08:52:37PM +0200, Magosányi Árpád wrote: > It seemed to me that only the fields explicitly mentioned and those > starting with X should be in the control files, but I cannot find > it explicitly stated. > > Did I miss something? Exactly what you wrote. The list of fields i

Re: [debian-devel] Re: which policy checker?

2003-10-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 02:00:31PM +0200, Magosányi Árpád wrote: > Anyway I feel it is a pity that the almost-stable distribution > does not contain a checker for the current policy which is > in effect since at least two months. You assign way too much value to the latest two revisions. Try readi

Re: APT: Errors when replacing syslog by syslog-ng

2003-10-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > I just got the following messages replacing syslog by syslog-ng from dselect > (Woody). > Should this be reported as a bug? Against which package (syslog, syslog-ng, > apt)? > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > sysklogd > Th

Re: Bug#214248: info in unstable cannot find documentation

2003-10-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 08:24:51PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > This is heimdal.info, produced by makeinfo version 4.0 from > heimdal.texi. > > heimdal.info-1: 210 > heimdal.info-2: 47804 > --- > > Yet the file is _not_ split in two. > > Why? I don't know. Well, 4.0 is a version that's ab

Re: Discussion - Free the Debian Open Use logo

2003-10-05 Thread Josip Rodin
Hi, Also, this is offtopic on -devel, -project is the right list. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Discussion - Free the Debian Open Use logo

2003-10-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:35:14PM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > The old Open Use logo was not DFSG-free, so we really shouldn't be > shipping it in main. Where are we shipping it in main? And even if we are (possibly somewhere in the installation docs), who cares? It's our logo, for crying out loud,

Re: Bug #213524

2003-10-01 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:49:18PM +0200, Jochen Friedrich wrote: > bug #213524 on automake has the potential to hit a lot of packages in a > way that they become uninstallable. So far, diff, indent and nano have > been affected, but there might be more to come. > > What could be done to limit the

Re: uscan help

2003-09-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:17:10AM -0700, Shaun Jackman wrote: > I can't get uscan to work with the following watch line. Could > someone please point out my mistake? > > http://www.geekshop.be /rien/lcab/?page=down lcab-(.*).tar.gz debian uupdate IIRC, it doesn't support HTTP. -- 2. That

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 07:37:03AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Runs spamc twice. Usually it won't matter, but with higher traffic, the load > > will increase for obvious reasons... > > spamc isn't run twice. exiscan-acl *can* run the mail through SA as a > test. It doesn't /have/ to. So if

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:52:30PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > Same here though I am sticking with SA-Exim because it saves the mail > > > in a certain range so I can throw it at the Bayesian classifier. > > > I usually don't have large enough partitions to hold all the spam (!) > > C

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:43:30AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > For now I'm using the SA-Exim method because even though it's clumsy (needs > > the .so file compiled from source so distribution isn't as trivial as an > > apt-get invocation), I used it before the Exiscan patch was available and it >

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:39:02AM -0400, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > What are the exim rules you used to catch these things? > > > > exiscan-acl calling clamav and dropping it with a 550. A full log > > line would be: > > > > 2003-09-22 07:38:05 1A1RpB-0007Xd-Of H=(smtp21.singnet.com.sg) > > [1

Re: Virus emails

2003-09-23 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:34:58PM -0400, H. S. Teoh wrote: > I've resorted to blocking port 25 to subnets from which these spams > originate. Currently I have about 45 subnets (/24 and a few /16) on my > blacklist, and so far 409 connections have been dropped. The sad thing about this is that the

Re: bug report #208857 disappeard ?

2003-09-08 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 06:26:27PM -0400, Christophe Barbe wrote: > I don't understand why but I am unable to find a bug report I filled 3 > days ago. Can someone explain me what happen? > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=208857 ~~~ ~~~

Re: music sheet

2003-09-08 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 06:55:31PM -0400, Jim Penny wrote: > > > Do you have the sheet music for "dueling banjos"? I would like to > > > get it if possible. > > > > If you spelt it differently - "Duelling Banjos" - you'd get some nice > > hits at Google for "Duelling Banjos sheet music". > > The

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-08 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 03:50:38AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Where did you come by this, and if it's something we should worry about, > > > why isn't it documented in Policy? > > > > It is, but you shouldn't worry about it anyhow because nobody's crazy enough > > to try doing anything w

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-07 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:23:15AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Where did you come by this, and if it's something we should worry about, > why isn't it documented in Policy? It is, but you shouldn't worry about it anyhow because nobody's crazy enough to try doing anything with a dpkg that old

Re: a couple of missing sources for stable

2003-09-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:39:07PM +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > dists/potato/main/source/games/xdigger_1.0.10-1.diff.gz > > I didn't ask for potato to be mirrored, but it seems that some files > in stable are actually located in potato's directory. This bug will be swept away soonish, whe

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 02:46:57PM -0700, Ava Driscoll wrote: > I do not appreciate the following showing up: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200306/msg01662.html > > Please cease and desist using my name. Thank you. It's not us, it's some random spammer whose spam happ

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:38:48AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > However, pulling that message from the list archives may be a good idea. > > It's what Ava Driscoll asked for, and the big HTML links sure don't look > > good on the Debian pages. > > Debian is not in the habit of editing its histo

Re: debian archive disk space requirements.

2003-08-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:18:50PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > We are still waiting for Joey to officially announce the obsolescence of > potato on -announce so that it can be moved to archive.debian.org. I've found out today that Joey doesn't feel there should be any more ann

Re: debian archive disk space requirements.

2003-08-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:25:36PM +0300, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: > ftp.fi.debian.org has the whole debian/ on the same partition but a > couple of directories, such as debian-cd/, that were previously on the > same partition with the mirror root are now mounted from a new > location with the --bin

Re: debian archive disk space requirements.

2003-08-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 11:40:34AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > I've noticed the growth in the debian archive with some concern > over the last few weeks/months. We're now hitting the limit of > the partition that debian is on and it will be quite difficult > technically for us to deal with this

Re: debian archive disk space requirements.

2003-08-30 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 09:29:16AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > What architectures are you mirroring? You could drop some of the more > uncommon arches No, he cannot, it's ftp.au.debian.org. All official mirrors have been, are or will be in a similar situation. -- 2. That which caus

Re: MEI Whitelist Autoresponse

2003-08-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:20:49PM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: > The virus responses are irresponsible, and have been for almost two years > as the number of sender-spoofing emails has grown. BTW, amavisd-new has # Treat envelope sender address as unreliable and don't send sender # notification

Re: cpu usage, consideration of others, apt-listbugs

2003-08-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:07:04AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Well, correction, cgi.d.o does almost nothing these days. But lists.d.o > > requires resources pretty much continuously, what with all the mhonarc, > > glimpse, stats updates and users accessing web pages and its CGI scripts. > >

Bug#206187: apt-get update fails to get index package list and therefore does nothing

2003-08-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:07:22AM +0200, Sasha Volkoff wrote: > The only way I could eliminate this warning was putting LC_ALL=C, but this > is how it is already working now. > > I tried what you suggested me, and this is what I got: > "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not fully installed"

Re: Snort: Mass Bug Closing

2003-08-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:06:15AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Well, _something_ threw dpkg off, because it doesn't always prompt > > erroneously. Trouble is, we are never able to locate the culprit... :( > > http://bugs.debian.org/108587 > > lists some situations where this can happen. Ah,

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