Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-28 Thread Jeremiah C. Foster

How about a potato as a mascot? It is a staple in many diets, it dovetails
nicely with the Toy Story leitmotif running through debian versioning, and 
is malleable allowing it to look like a lot of things, i.e. with a face, a 
swirl on its belly, etc.

The logos are fantastic and should not be changed. Changing the swirl would
damage the debian brand which stands for "technically advanced", "commited
to freedom", "user-focused", "stable and supported" amongst other things.
If the swirl changed, it would make debian seem less "stable" since the image
of the brand would be seen to shift.

A mascot might help with branding. While branding is generally something that 
FLOSS engineers care nothing about, and seems trivial, it has an impact.


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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:23:33AM -0600, Anibal Avelar wrote:
> http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Mascot_Harmony_without_Strings_by_ravenmosher.jpg

That looks like some sort of big eyeball?

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Anibal Avelar
On 2/26/08, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Consider a red octopus with its arms arranged in a "swirl".

Swirl?

http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Cucumber_Swirl.jpg
http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Swirl_by_greenvampire.jpg
http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Red_Swirl_by_gemh.jpg
http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/red_and_black_swirl_by_piffin.jpg
http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/through_the_swirl_by_aStormcrow.jpg
http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/magick-swirl.gif

But, does Debian need another logo? I don't think so. I still like a mascot:

http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Mascot_Harmony_without_Strings_by_ravenmosher.jpg


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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:55:56PM +, Hector Oron wrote:
> 2008/2/25, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet?
> 
> As i see on news today, sudafrica has an openning to hunt elephants
> again because they have so much, but some time ago there where on risk
> of extintion.
> 
> Is not there an elephant on Toy Story Action Figures?
> 
> As the huge amount of packages, architectures, documentations,
> translations, mail lists, ... that we have in Debian distribution
> makes Debian to have an _elephantastic_ size !
> 
> There is no time in one life to read all Debian information ;-)
> 
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Hi,
I was trying to think of something interesting and this one idea:

picture an elephant with 
a mouse 
sitting on the elephants head
both have a swirl on them(somewhere).
Now add the following text:
"Debian: it runs on the largest beast to the smallest"
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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread John Hasler
Consider a red octopus with its arms arranged in a "swirl".
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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
William Pitcock dijo [Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 01:41:22PM -0600]:
> > In natural environments, you could hardly find animals living as far
> > apart as polar bears and penguins. A polar bear has to swim/walk close
> > to 15,000Km (as neither lives really on the poles, right?) to find a
> > decent penguin.
> 
> "to find a decent penguin"? Could you clarify what you mean by "decent"
> here?

There are penguins living in most of the South hemisphere's coasts -
Up to the Equator, in the Galapagos Islands. I would not call them
decent, as they break most of our cultural myths/icons :)

> (Also, it's a bloody mascot, who cares if they don't /really/ live in
> the same locations. They live in the same /climate/ and that's good
> enough for most people.)

I do not care for a Debian mascot. The whole thread should belong in
-curiosa, FWIW... Or in /dev/null even.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 01:41:22PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
> (Also, it's a bloody mascot, who cares if they don't /really/ live in
> the same locations. They live in the same /climate/ and that's good
> enough for most people.)

How about a leopard seal? They eat penguins :-|

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hnmoffatt/381679738/in/set-72157594521689295/


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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Hector Oron wrote:
> 2008/2/25, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet?
> 
> Is not there an elephant on Toy Story Action Figures?
> 
> As the huge amount of packages, architectures, documentations,
> translations, mail lists, ... that we have in Debian distribution
> makes Debian to have an _elephantastic_ size !

PostgreSQL already uses an elephant in their logo. While ths does not
preclude us from using it, it could be taken as an endorsement of one
particular DB engine, over others.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread William Pitcock
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 21:19 +0100, Harald Braumann wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:45:05 +0100
> "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 2008/2/26, David Given <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :)
> > >
> > > How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and
> > >  they're *everywhere*...
> > 
> > No thanks, I preferred the Weasel idea to this :P
> 
> And why does it have to be an animal at all? I for one can't identify
> with any specimen of the *nix bestiary. Except maybe with the bsd
> daemon, but that's technically not a beast. But all those foxes,
> chameleons, penguins and what not -- I don't know. If an animal at all,
> I would definitely prefer a cockroach. But it's maybe hard to
> manufacture from plush. What about a tarantula? Fluffy by design.
> 

I don't really see why you couldn't make a stuffed Debian swirl. I'd buy
one of those. Maybe we could call the Debian swirl our mascot and come
up with some lame name like "Swirly the Debian mascot". It could be like
that talking paper clip they always make fun of in M$ Office.

Hmm! Maybe a "Debian assistant"... "*boing* I see you are trying to
install a package, do you want help with that?"

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Harald Braumann
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:45:05 +0100
"Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/2/26, David Given <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> >
> > > I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :)
> >
> > How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and
> >  they're *everywhere*...
> 
> No thanks, I preferred the Weasel idea to this :P

And why does it have to be an animal at all? I for one can't identify
with any specimen of the *nix bestiary. Except maybe with the bsd
daemon, but that's technically not a beast. But all those foxes,
chameleons, penguins and what not -- I don't know. If an animal at all,
I would definitely prefer a cockroach. But it's maybe hard to
manufacture from plush. What about a tarantula? Fluffy by design.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread nic

Well, now after I worked it out, you can have a look at my drafts at
https://disc.alice-dsl.net . to log in use username "aura_urlaub" and
password "public". its an ant and an ant-eater as first ideas.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Hector Oron
2008/2/25, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet?

As i see on news today, sudafrica has an openning to hunt elephants
again because they have so much, but some time ago there where on risk
of extintion.

Is not there an elephant on Toy Story Action Figures?

As the huge amount of packages, architectures, documentations,
translations, mail lists, ... that we have in Debian distribution
makes Debian to have an _elephantastic_ size !

There is no time in one life to read all Debian information ;-)

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread William Pitcock
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 12:21 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> In natural environments, you could hardly find animals living as far
> apart as polar bears and penguins. A polar bear has to swim/walk close
> to 15,000Km (as neither lives really on the poles, right?) to find a
> decent penguin.

"to find a decent penguin"? Could you clarify what you mean by "decent"
here?

(Also, it's a bloody mascot, who cares if they don't /really/ live in
the same locations. They live in the same /climate/ and that's good
enough for most people.)

William


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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog dijo [Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:33:26PM +0100]:
> > For an idea of a mascot, maybe you could try some sort of bear. When I
> > created the logo of my company [1], I tried to select an animal that could
> > remind me the strength of Debian and I selected the bear:
> > - walks usually slowly but when it runs, you'd better not be in his
> >   way ("the quiet force" -- we say "la force tranquille" in French, not
> >   sure if I made a good translation)
> > - the white bear could live near the Linux penguin in some cold area
> 
> In natural environments, you could hardly find animals living as far
> apart as polar bears and penguins. A polar bear has to swim/walk close
> to 15,000Km (as neither lives really on the poles, right?) to find a
> decent penguin.

Sometimes, penguins take a vacation.
http://www.threadless.com/product/1057/Penguins_On_Holiday

(My son has this shirt, and he loves it)

> Bah, mascots.

Cute fuzzy shwags are nice, though.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:33:26PM +0100]:
> For an idea of a mascot, maybe you could try some sort of bear. When I
> created the logo of my company [1], I tried to select an animal that could
> remind me the strength of Debian and I selected the bear:
> - walks usually slowly but when it runs, you'd better not be in his
>   way ("the quiet force" -- we say "la force tranquille" in French, not
>   sure if I made a good translation)
> - the white bear could live near the Linux penguin in some cold area

In natural environments, you could hardly find animals living as far
apart as polar bears and penguins. A polar bear has to swim/walk close
to 15,000Km (as neither lives really on the poles, right?) to find a
decent penguin.

Bah, mascots.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/2/26, David Given <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>
> > I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :)
>
> How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and
>  they're *everywhere*...

No thanks, I preferred the Weasel idea to this :P

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread David Given

Lars Wirzenius wrote:
[...]

I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :)


How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and 
they're *everywhere*...


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Re: Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:57 AM, nic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I tried to send 2 messages but I guess they failed because of the
>  attached files (~ 6 mb)? so where can I put the drafts? citation below.

If you don't have your own server, try one of these sites:

http://www.google.com/search?q=image+upload

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 04:25:06PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> Humm
> 
> 
> 
> And why not a marmot ??

Screw marmots.  What about a human?
I would suggest this one:
http://people.debian.org/~amaya/wallpapers/dsc01074.jpg

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2008-02-25 at 19:24 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Given that our admin is already a weasel and our browser is an ice
> weasel, it would only be logical to use this fluffy and beautiful
> animal
> as a mascot.

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Re: Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread nic
hi, 

I tried to send 2 messages but I guess they failed because of the
attached files (~ 6 mb)? so where can I put the drafts? citation below. 

nic



> hi,
> 
> here are 2 drafts attached. the debi-ant and the
> 'ameisenbaer' (ant-eater). look at
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Anteater01.jpeg
> to compare. just to combine the ideas of an ant and a bear ;)
> 
> greets,
> nic


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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
On lun, 2008-02-25 at 16:25 +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> And why not a marmot ??
> 
> It's a nice beautifull little animal, and, according to WP,
> "Marmots typically live in burrows, and hibernate there through the winter. 
> Most marmots are highly social, and use loud whistles to communicate with one 
> another, especially when alarmed."

Given that our admin is already a weasel and our browser is an ice
weasel, it would only be logical to use this fluffy and beautiful animal
as a mascot.

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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2008-02-25 at 15:58 +0100, nic wrote:
> hi together,
> 
> I'm not quite sure how to properly use this debian-list (I should have
> read before, I know...).
> 
> I spontaneously thought of an ant: It works hard, it's tough, well, and
> with a fat grin on its face. just a first idea: the 'debiant'. Just
> playing with words. I tried some rough sketches, but didn't like them.

I've worked for a company named after an ant hill, whose logo was an
ant, and whose justification for those were that "the employees were
like worker ants", that is, insignificant and trivially replaceable.
This did not make us employees feel at all motivated.

I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :)



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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Monday 25 February 2008 15:58:16 nic, vous avez écrit :
> hi together,
>
> I'm not quite sure how to properly use this debian-list (I should have
> read before, I know...).
>
> I spontaneously thought of an ant: It works hard, it's tough, well, and
> with a fat grin on its face. just a first idea: the 'debiant'. Just
> playing with words. I tried some rough sketches, but didn't like them.

Humm



And why not a marmot ??

It's a nice beautifull little animal, and, according to WP,
"Marmots typically live in burrows, and hibernate there through the winter. 
Most marmots are highly social, and use loud whistles to communicate with one 
another, especially when alarmed."

And, the most important, it is sleeping half of the time  ! :-P

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Marmot-edit1.jpg



Romain



Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread nic
hi together,

I'm not quite sure how to properly use this debian-list (I should have
read before, I know...).

I spontaneously thought of an ant: It works hard, it's tough, well, and
with a fat grin on its face. just a first idea: the 'debiant'. Just
playing with words. I tried some rough sketches, but didn't like them.

greets,

nic


On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:34:10 +0100
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 2008/2/25, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>  On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, nic wrote:
> >>  > to cut the longway short: I'm iterested, but don't know how it
> >>  > works or how I could contribute.
> >>
> >>  I don't know what needs to be explained... you don't need any
> >> special status to contribue a mascot, just find the idea, create
> >> the picture, send it to us and wait feedback. Maybe try several
> >> variants.
> >
> > It would be great to have a mascot!! :)
> >
> > Miry
> 
> What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet?
> 
> MfG
> Goswin


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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Miriam Ruiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 2008/2/25, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, nic wrote:
>>  > to cut the longway short: I'm iterested, but don't know how it works or
>>  > how I could contribute.
>>
>>  I don't know what needs to be explained... you don't need any special
>>  status to contribue a mascot, just find the idea, create the picture, send
>>  it to us and wait feedback. Maybe try several variants.
>
> It would be great to have a mascot!! :)
>
> Miry

What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet?

MfG
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Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/2/25, Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
>  On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, nic wrote:
>  > to cut the longway short: I'm iterested, but don't know how it works or
>  > how I could contribute.
>
>  I don't know what needs to be explained... you don't need any special
>  status to contribue a mascot, just find the idea, create the picture, send
>  it to us and wait feedback. Maybe try several variants.

It would be great to have a mascot!! :)

Miry


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Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi,

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, nic wrote:
> to cut the longway short: I'm iterested, but don't know how it works or
> how I could contribute.

I don't know what needs to be explained... you don't need any special
status to contribue a mascot, just find the idea, create the picture, send
it to us and wait feedback. Maybe try several variants.

> my skills are in graphics, I like drawing and would be pleased to give
> some ideas for a debian mascott or advertising for debian in general.

For an idea of a mascot, maybe you could try some sort of bear. When I
created the logo of my company [1], I tried to select an animal that could
remind me the strength of Debian and I selected the bear:
- walks usually slowly but when it runs, you'd better not be in his
  way ("the quiet force" -- we say "la force tranquille" in French, not
  sure if I made a good translation)
- the white bear could live near the Linux penguin in some cold area

Cheers,

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