Am 05.02.21 um 18:50 schrieb Geert Stappers:
> On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 04:21:42PM +, Paul Sutton wrote:
>> Would it be possible to make it easier to find the ISO for the next release
> It is work in progress and the process is called "Doing a release".
The reply was kind of funny but please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 04:21:42PM +, Paul Sutton wrote:
> Would it be possible to make it easier to find the ISO for the next release
It is work in progress and the process is called "Doing a release".
I decided to start a new thread on this
Looking at the Debian publicity list, Arduino is back in Debian from the
next release, I think. (Debian 11)
However trying to find an iso to test this
https://www.debian.org/ there is a download link for the current release
(Buster)
Would it be
Le samedi 23 janvier 2021 à 21:22:02+0100, Geert Stappers a écrit :
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 04:30:00PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Le samedi 23 janvier 2021 à 16:23:47+0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> > > On Jan 23, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > >
> > > > While I appreciate your
On 1/29/21 1:44 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi Holger,
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:53:54AM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote:
FYI: a patch has been applied in the meantime, adding such hint to nearly all
d.o pages, which have links to download images
[eg]
www.debian.org/distrib/
to make users aware of
Paul wrote:
>
>During install, the installer asks if you have a disk with drivers on
>for this closed hardware, I don't know what it wants at this point.
>
>If we could insert a 2nd usb disk, or anything with the correct drivers
>on, it may help.
Argh. Pet peeve. It asks for a disk with
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 01:38:24PM +0100, Ansgar wrote:
> Yao Wei writes:
> >> We encourage you to get devices that respects your freedom.
>
> Should this message also be shown when non-free firmware is preinstalled
> in the system for educational purposes?
>
> Or do devices that have
Hi Holger,
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:53:54AM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote:
> FYI: a patch has been applied in the meantime, adding such hint to nearly all
> d.o pages, which have links to download images
[eg]
> www.debian.org/distrib/
> to make users aware of those images.
very cool, thank you
Yao Wei writes:
> At then, we can let users download the missing drivers from the
> generated webpage, like the following:
>
>> Additional packages for the network interface
>> ==
>>
>> As Debian is the universal operating system, we consider both users
>> and free software important.
Hi,
Paul Sutton wrote:
>
>
> On 29/01/2021 03:23, Yao Wei wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the
> > internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage
> > in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to
On 29/01/2021 03:23, Yao Wei wrote:
Hi,
Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the
internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage
in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to download
them.
I agree with this idea, it would
Hi,
Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the
internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage
in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to download
them.
At then, we can let users download the missing drivers from the
generated
On Jan 28, "Daniel S." wrote:
> This image does not provide unfree WiFi firmware.
It is not just about Wi-Fi but also audio, video and wired Ethernet.
> This gives visibility to the actual problem and the only true solution.
There is really no reason to believe that, even with significant
Hi,
Holger Wansing wrote:
> > debian-www team: what do you think about adding some more hint/warning
> > banners pointing to firmware-including installation images?
> >
> > We already have one at
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/
> >
> > So we could also add it to
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 09:44:36AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2021/01/28 01:49, Daniel S. wrote:
> > The hope would be that, after collecting a 5 figure sum has been
> > donated, paid developers work on freeing the most common firmware(s).
>
> If that was enough to free up firmware, we'd
On 2021/01/28 01:49, Daniel S. wrote:
> The hope would be that, after collecting a 5 figure sum has been
> donated, paid developers work on freeing the most common firmware(s).
If that was enough to free up firmware, we'd probably have figured out a
way to pay that right away without even
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:49:43AM +0100, Daniel S. wrote:
> * Consider donating $25 to our __free-WiFi-fund__ to free your adapter
> firmware
What fund?
> This gives visibility to the actual problem and the only true solution.
What true solution?
> It works towards a future, where the free
I'd like to propose a solution that helps both, the user and Debian:
Add a message like this on the downloads page:
##
NOTE:
This image does not provide unfree WiFi firmware.
If you have a WiFi adapter, it will most likely not work. (__learn more__)
* Consider using __this__ image
Hi,
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 19:35:25, Thomas Lange wrote:
> > Another very odd thing I found.
> >
> > On https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
> > there's no hint about images including non-free firmware. No hint
> > about firmware at all. And then this FAQ
> >
> >
> > Where is the
On 25.01.2021 07:25, Holger Wansing wrote:
Such link is already there:
"More: Further links to downloads and software"
That gives you a list, and the first entry points to -
ta-da - distrib/
With my fullscreen browser, it is well below the fold and I did not even
realize it was there. I
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, at 16:34, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 19:35:25, Thomas Lange wrote:
> > Another very odd thing I found.
> >
> > On https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
> > there's no hint about images including non-free firmware. No hint
> > about firmware at all. And then this FAQ
On Lu, 25 ian 21, 19:35:25, Thomas Lange wrote:
> Another very odd thing I found.
>
> On https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
> there's no hint about images including non-free firmware. No hint
> about firmware at all. And then this FAQ
>
>
> Where is the CD image with non-free?
> .
>
Another very odd thing I found.
On https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
there's no hint about images including non-free firmware. No hint
about firmware at all. And then this FAQ
Where is the CD image with non-free?
.
Sometimes, someone is kind enough to create unofficial non-free CDs. If you
Another very odd thing I found.
On https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
there's no hint about images including non-free firmware. No hint
about firmware at all. And then this FAQ
Where is the CD image with non-free?
.
Sometimes, someone is kind enough to create unofficial non-free CDs. If you
On 25/01/2021 07:22, Tobias Frost wrote:
Am Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 07:28:07PM +0100 schrieb Philipp Kern:
On 24.01.21 17:08, John Scott wrote:
Changing the firmware on an EEPROM is far less practical for the user or
manufacturer (they're on similar footing), and if it's not electronically
Am Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 07:28:07PM +0100 schrieb Philipp Kern:
> On 24.01.21 17:08, John Scott wrote:
> > Changing the firmware on an EEPROM is far less practical for the user or
> > manufacturer (they're on similar footing), and if it's not electronically
> > erasable, it's merely an object
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:08:56 -0500, John Scott
wrote:
>1. Unlike with SSD firmware, there are wireless cards that use libre firmware
>and some are still manufactured and quite easy to attain. The goalpost for
>free software moves with what has been achieved.
>One used to have to accept using a
Hi again,
Am Sonntag, 24. Januar 2021 schrieb Alexis Murzeau:
> > The installation image remains 100% free. But at some point the
> > installer asks the user if they wish to add another media containing
> > software. Users would then be able to put another CD or USB key (for
> > example)
> I personally think the main page could have also have a "Other downloads"
> link to one of the more complete download pages (like /distrib), so
> users not familiar with the wiki can find it one click away.
>
> Maybe I can propose a patch for at least this small link to /distrib
Such link is
any computer already exists, but is just too hard to find when the user
is trying Debian for the first time.
To me, proposals from Holger Wansing are a step to the right direction:
For example (from "Re: Making Debian available - patch for webwml"
thread):
https://people.debian.org/~
Kudos for your very fine summary, Bjørn!
I don't know if the proposal to place non-free things into the Debian
installation image will be accepted. But if it is not, here is another
proposal that would clearly separate the free from the non-free:
The installation image remains 100% free. But
On 24.01.21 17:08, John Scott wrote:
> Changing the firmware on an EEPROM is far less practical for the user or
> manufacturer (they're on similar footing), and if it's not electronically
> erasable, it's merely an object that can't be practically changed of which
> you'd need to make a new one
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 7:19:58 AM EST Bjørn Mork wrote:
> What we are left with is users who are offended by the mere existence of
> non-free binaries on a Debian image, and who see this as significantly
> worse than the non-free firmware in their NIC, SSD, EC, CPU etc.
The reason why, say,
Hi,
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> It has been documented in this thread it is possible to install Debian
> on such systems. But the images which allow this without additional
> steps is well hidden. And the procedure supported the default images is
> so complicated that even expert longtime Debian users
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 09:01:33PM +, Paul Sutton wrote:
> During install, the installer asks if you have a disk with drivers on for
> this closed hardware, I don't know what it wants at this point.
>
> If we could insert a 2nd usb disk, or anything with the correct drivers on,
> it may help.
There is no one proposing that non-free should be mandatory.
The original topic was whether it should be possible to install Debian
at all, noting that there are situations where this now is so difficult
that it will be percevied as "impossible" by some users.
I believe it is an undisputed fact
On 23/01 02:32, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> We're arguing different points, and I fear talking past one another.
Yeah. FWIW the two of us did eventually end up agreeing that including
firmware while giving the chance to opt-out would be a workable
compromise, though. I think we did, at least! :)
On 2021-01-24 01:49:28 +0500 (+0500), Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
[...]
> As is often mentioned, researching is not very helpful when you
> want WiFi. And people who are fine with severely crippling their
> computers for FSF reasons should probably be some non-default
> niche with separate
On 23/01/2021 20:42, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 03:39:21PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
But the sentiment above and in other similar messages were that the
completely free images are broken for many users that might need some
non-free firmware. This is simply not true.
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 02:32:42PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> I'll join the less-vocal crowd in disagreeing that the fully free
> image is especially defective (any more so than other software), and
> I feel like painting it that way does harm to your argument. Yes
> things could be better, on
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 03:39:21PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> But the sentiment above and in other similar messages were that the
> completely free images are broken for many users that might need some
> non-free firmware. This is simply not true.
The completely free images are broken for
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 04:30:00PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le samedi 23 janvier 2021 à 16:23:47+0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> > On Jan 23, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >
> > > While I appreciate your point, and agree with the rationale behind it
> > > (having something that works
Le samedi 23 janvier 2021 à 16:23:47+0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jan 23, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>
> > While I appreciate your point, and agree with the rationale behind it
> > (having something that works for very recent hardware would be good), I
> This is not about "very recent"
On Jan 23, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> This is an anecdotical evidence. To my knowledge, it's not possible to
> make a wireless card work without a proprietary firmware. As laptops are
> getting thinner, the Ethernet port is getting away and dongles to get
> port the RJ45 port are not bundled
On Jan 23, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> While I appreciate your point, and agree with the rationale behind it
> (having something that works for very recent hardware would be good), I
This is not about "very recent" hardware, it is really about "most
hardware".
> personally find the way you
Le lundi 18 janvier 2021 à 22:56:34+0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> On Jan 18, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> > Imagine the catastrophal message we're sending by "here is our
> > official image, but that one is unlikely to work on your laptop,
> > better use this here."
> Yes, it would be bad marketing.
>
❦ 23 janvier 2021 15:39 +02, Jonathan Carter:
> But the sentiment above and in other similar messages were that the
> completely free images are broken for many users that might need some
> non-free firmware. This is simply not true. I've only ever installed
> using the free images, and then
On 2021-01-23 11:14:52 +0100 (+0100), Emanuele Rocca wrote:
> On 22/01 08:30, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > Taking away the choice for users who care about software freedom
> > to opt out of non-free content in the installer and find
> > alternative options would be a loss of freedom, in service of
>
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 10:43:40AM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 11:14:52AM +0100, Emanuele Rocca wrote:
> > Having the option to opt-out firmware during the installation procedure
> > seems reasonable to me, and I don't think anyone was suggesting
> > otherwise.
> >
> >
On 2021/01/23 12:43, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 11:14:52AM +0100, Emanuele Rocca wrote:
>> Having the option to opt-out firmware during the installation procedure
>> seems reasonable to me, and I don't think anyone was suggesting
>> otherwise.
>>
>> The situation we are in
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 07:56:30PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 15.01.21 13:42, Ansgar wrote:
> > On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 19:30 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> >> Ah, yes I also wonder how much the world will improve
> >> if non-free would be split in non-free and non-free-firmware.
> >> Currently
Am Samstag, 23. Januar 2021 schrieb Emanuele Rocca:
> On 22/01 08:30, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > Taking away the choice for users who care about software freedom to
> > opt out of non-free content in the installer and find alternative
> > options would be a loss of freedom, in service of
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 11:14:52AM +0100, Emanuele Rocca wrote:
> Having the option to opt-out firmware during the installation procedure
> seems reasonable to me, and I don't think anyone was suggesting
> otherwise.
>
> The situation we are in today is very different though: we build a
>
On 22/01 08:30, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> Taking away the choice for users who care about software freedom to
> opt out of non-free content in the installer and find alternative
> options would be a loss of freedom, in service of convenience for
> users who aren't as invested in trying to minimize
On 2021-01-22 06:56:27 +0100 (+0100), Emanuele Rocca wrote:
> On 15/01 03:30, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> > This boils down to a debate over whether the Debian community values
> > convenience over ideals.
>
> This is not about convenience, it's about being able to install Debian
> on real hardware
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 03:12:58PM -0500, Calum McConnell wrote:
> Any way you can give us more info about that error? some log files, or the
> exact torrent file you're seeding with (ie, upload the file itself)?
> Calum
Calum et al: FYI
Yours Truly had a development version of the Deluged,
On 15/01 03:30, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> This boils down to a debate over whether the Debian community values
> convenience over ideals.
This is not about convenience, it's about being able to install Debian
on real hardware or not. Without firmware, the installer does not do the
only thing it is
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 03:12:58PM -0500, Calum McConnell wrote:
> Any way you can give us more info about that error? some log files, or the
> exact torrent file you're seeding with (ie, upload the file itself)?
> Calum
It appears to be on my end - I tried the same torrent files on a workstation
On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 11:18 -0700, Lou Poppler wrote:
> On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 11:06 -0500, SDA wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 08:55:10AM -0700, Lou Poppler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Got them from this url:
> > > >
> > > >
On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 11:06 -0500, SDA wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 08:55:10AM -0700, Lou Poppler wrote:
> > >
> > > Got them from this url:
> > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.7.0-live+nonfree/amd64/bt-hybrid/
> > >
> > > I'm using a VPN,
On Thu, 2021-01-21 at 09:40 -0500, SDA wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 04:14:20AM -0700, Lou Poppler wrote:
> > On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 23:46 -0500, SDA wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 08:42:02AM -0700, Lou Poppler wrote:
> > > > SDA wrote:
> > > > > Incidently now that this is under
On Wed, 2021-01-20 at 23:46 -0500, SDA wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 08:42:02AM -0700, Lou Poppler wrote:
> > SDA wrote:
> > > Incidently now that this is under discussion - whomever is supplying the
> > > non-free live images should know that the torrents of the stable version
> > > aren't
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 00:28:42 +0100, Ben Hutchings
wrote:
>On Sun, 2021-01-17 at 11:31 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 10:58:33 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
>> wrote:
>> > Video drivers: we have some basic video modes that work for text mode on
>> > nearly all cards / embedded
On Sun, 2021-01-17 at 11:31 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 10:58:33 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
> wrote:
> > Video drivers: we have some basic video modes that work for text mode on
> > nearly all cards / embedded chipsets. Other than that, almost everything
> > requires a
SDA wrote:
> Incidently now that this is under discussion - whomever is supplying the
> non-free live images should know that the torrents of the stable version
> aren't seeded. I was attempting to download them all to help with seeding,
> and there isn't one seeder. Could somebody pass the
Incidently now that this is under discussion - whomever is supplying the
non-free live images should know that the torrents of the stable version
aren't seeded. I was attempting to download them all to help with seeding,
and there isn't one seeder. Could somebody pass the word along? Thanks!
Hi,
Thomas Lange wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:37:37 +0100, Holger Wansing
> > said:
>
> >> debian-www team: what do you think about adding some more hint/warning
> >> banners pointing to firmware-including installation images?
> I really like to have a hint, but warning
On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:46:30 +, Steve McIntyre
wrote:
>Marc Haber wrote:
>>No, we shouldn't, but we should drop the double standards that we
>>obviously apply towards docs and firmware.
>
>Sorry, I'm not following you on that. Can you expand on that please?
>How are we treating docs
Steve McIntyre writes:
> However, in the latter case Debian has shipped non-free stuff. That is
> a big shift in our position. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying this
> is an impossible place for us to go to. But before we do that we
> should have an open and honest debate about it.
I
Bjørn wrote:
>Steve McIntyre writes:
>
>> Marc Haber wrote:
>>>
>>>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
>>>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
>>>to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
>>
>> Are we seriously
Marc Haber wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:35:01 +, Steve McIntyre
>wrote:
>>Marc Haber wrote:
>>>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
>>>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
>>>to get WLAN working in the installer for political
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 17:51:25 +, Stefano Rivera
wrote:
> Unable to find an Internet connection.
> You may have a network interface that requires non-free firmware to
> operate.
> If you have a mobile phone connected to WiFi try plugging it in with a
> USB cable and enabling "USB tethering" to
Hello, Debian world!
[larval contributor delurking]
On 18 Jan 2021, at 11:29, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
> There's a major difference here - do we want Debian's *official* media
> to include non-free stuff? We've had this discussion a few times,
> including in person back at DC15 at least. Back
Steve McIntyre writes:
> Marc Haber wrote:
>>
>>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
>>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
>>to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
>
> Are we seriously just going to describe
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 6:27 PM Marc Haber wrote:
> Imagine the catastrophal message we're sending by "here is our
> official image, but that one is unlikely to work on your laptop,
> better use this here."
As this thread shows the current situation wrt hardware and software
freedom is pretty
On Jan 18, Marc Haber wrote:
> Imagine the catastrophal message we're sending by "here is our
> official image, but that one is unlikely to work on your laptop,
> better use this here."
Yes, it would be bad marketing.
But at least we could show users something that works, so that's still
better
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:37:37 +0100, Holger Wansing
> said:
>> debian-www team: what do you think about adding some more hint/warning
>> banners pointing to firmware-including installation images?
I really like to have a hint, but warning is a too negative word.
Having those
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:29:52 +, Steve McIntyre
wrote:
>There's a major difference here - do we want Debian's *official* media
>to include non-free stuff? We've had this discussion a few times,
>including in person back at DC15 at least. Back then, the overwhelming
>response was *no*. We can
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:05:09 +0200 (EET), Timo Lindfors
wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote:
>> I remember installing Debian once from a live image because the only
>> network I had available was using 802.1x. Must have been a rather
>> painless experience, since I don't remember much
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 16:35:01 +, Steve McIntyre
wrote:
>Marc Haber wrote:
>>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
>>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
>>to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
>
>Are we
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 04:35:01PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> >
> >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
> >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
> >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
>
Hi Andrey (2021.01.17_13:16:04_+)
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:33:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > My workaround is to plug in a network cable for installation. But
> > alas, I have up to now been able to avoid hardware without built-in
> > Ethernet. I guess that many USB Ethernet interfaces
On 2021-01-18 16:35:01 + (+), Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> >
> >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
> >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
> >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
>
>
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 04:35:01PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
> >be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
> >to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
>
> Are we seriously just
[ Catching up on this thread a little late... ]
Ansgar wrote:
>On Fri, 2021-01-15 at 15:30 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>> On 2021-01-15 12:11:06 +0100 (+0100), Emanuele Rocca wrote:
>> [...]
>> > So the current situation is that we make an active effort to
>> > produce two different types of
Marc Haber wrote:
>
>I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
>be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
>to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
Are we seriously just going to describe our Free Software goals as
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote:
My understanding is that the live images are primarily intended for
the typical "live system" use-case descended from things like Knoppix
(boot machine from USB stick or optical media; use machine with OS from
RAM, USB stick or optical media; shut down
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:38:59 +, Simon McVittie
wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 09:39:05 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>> The pointers to the Debian image on the Debian front page (and the
>> discussion
>> about standard/installer with firmware) relate to the non-live Debian
>> installer.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 09:39:05 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> The pointers to the Debian image on the Debian front page (and the discussion
> about standard/installer with firmware) relate to the non-live Debian
> installer.
>
> If we want the Calamares image to include firmware - that's a
[ Now added debian-boot to CC, since a page included in the attached patch is ]
[ under their responsibility ]
Holger Wansing wrote:
> [ Adding debian-www to the loop ]
>
> Hi,
>
> Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 01:53:24 +, Paul Wise wrote:
> > >On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:52
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 09:57:31AM +0100, Holger Wansing wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Timo Lindfors wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > Absolutely. The Installation Experience is one of the first contacts
> > > with the distribution for most people¹, and since we all know that the
>
Hi,
Timo Lindfors wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote:
> > Absolutely. The Installation Experience is one of the first contacts
> > with the distribution for most people¹, and since we all know that the
>
> Yep. I think using the live environment for installation could be more
>
On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, Marc Haber wrote:
Absolutely. The Installation Experience is one of the first contacts
with the distribution for most people¹, and since we all know that the
Yep. I think using the live environment for installation could be more
user-friendly as the user is already
On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 06:52:11PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> I was not aware of that feature. It is good to have that, but I would
> be embarrassed to seriously suggest this way because we can't manage
> to get WLAN working in the installer for political reasons.
Indeed, hence the more serious
On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 13:22:25 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36:58AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 10:58:33 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
>> wrote:
>> >It already does: the second or third question gives you the option to
>> >install
>> > non-free
On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 18:02:38 +0100, Philipp Kern
wrote:
>On 17.01.21 14:19, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 18:16:04 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:33:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
My workaround is to plug in a network cable for installation. But
On 17.01.21 14:19, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 18:16:04 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 11:33:28AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> My workaround is to plug in a network cable for installation. But
>>> alas, I have up to now been able to avoid hardware
On Sunday, January 17, 2021 6:06:15 AM EST Bjørn Mork wrote:
> All these USB devices work only because they come with firmware on a largish
> flash.
That's not the complete case. Of the modern libre USB WiFi dongles I know of,
carl9170 (firmware for AR9170 chips) is included in
On Jan 15, Emanuele Rocca wrote:
> So the current situation is that we make an active effort to produce two
> different types of installation media: one that works for all users, and
> one broken for most laptops. Some sort of FOSS version of an
> anti-feature. Then we publish the broken version
[ Adding debian-www to the loop ]
Hi,
Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 01:53:24 +, Paul Wise wrote:
> >On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:52 PM Russell Stuart wrote:
> >
> >> Testing doesn't produce netinst with non-free firmware
> >
> >There are both daily and weekly testing netinsts with
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