Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-09-06 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
Anthony Towns wrote: Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental [...] Would anyone like to contribute their thoughts, so we can do an air crash style failure analysis to work out how we can avoid this class of problem in future, given the safety net

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-09-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:34:31AM +0200, BALLABIO GERARDO wrote: Is there any sensible reason for ever uploading a package in unstable with a higher version than in experimental? If not, such uploads can simply be forbidden altogether. The documented and preferred way to remove packages from

RE: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-09-06 Thread BALLABIO GERARDO
From: Wouter Verhelst,,, [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any sensible reason for ever uploading a package in unstable with a higher version than in experimental? If not, such uploads can simply be forbidden altogether. The documented and preferred way to remove packages from

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-09-06 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, BALLABIO GERARDO schrieb: People remove packages from experimental only once in a while, thus always asking for confirmation shouldn't be too much of a hassle, and actually may be desirable. At least for those like me who redefine rm as rm -i in their .bashrc. Maybe it would help to

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-28 Thread Otavio Salvador
Gustavo Noronha Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would be good to be add in cdbs. I think we might want to have it more flexible to allow it to work for CDDs too but I liked it very much :-D It does not look right to me, though.. what about buildds? And what about people forgetting an

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-24 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:51:56 +0200, David Nusinow wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 03:30:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Drew Parsons wrote: Unfortunately it's happened against, this time with the upload of xorg-server (xserver-xorg-core) 1:1.1.1-3, accidentally uploaded to unstable

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 16:51 +0200, Luca Capello wrote: If it's not my fault, however, I think we need a new package in experimental... Already uploaded. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://tungstengraphics.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-24 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:47:09 -0300 Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: e.g. build: test_stable patch build-stamp instead of build: patch build-stamp That would be good to be add in cdbs. I think we might want to have it more flexible

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Drew Parsons
The Dear Project Leader wrote: Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental, and on the request of the release managers, I UNACCEPTed it, given it was a major accidental change to a rather core library just as that library should've been frozen.

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Andreas Barth
* Drew Parsons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060822 11:04]: 2) [technical] Remove the single point of failure by adding a Distribution: field to debian/control, say. The package will be rejected if the two fields in control and changelog do not match. or just make dpkg-buildpackage fail if that

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Drew Parsons wrote: 3) [policy] Manual processing by ftp-masters when changing distro. The distribution wasn't changed. Norbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Drew Parsons
We have stated: 3) [policy] Manual processing by ftp-masters when changing distro. Their decision is automatic rejection by default unless there is a changelog entry explicitly stating the distro change is occurs. This need only apply for uploads to unstable (or stable), not for uploads to

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:12:44AM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: * Drew Parsons wrote: 3) [policy] Manual processing by ftp-masters when changing distro. The distribution wasn't changed. The version of the uploaded xorg-server package was higher than the version in experimental, and it

Re: Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Drew Parsons
Norbert wrote: * Drew Parsons wrote: 3) [policy] Manual processing by ftp-masters when changing distro. The distribution wasn't changed. It was in the case of the xserver-xorg upload. 1:1.1.1-2 had been sent to experimental, 1:1.1.1-3 was sent to unstable. Drew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Drew Parsons a écrit : The Dear Project Leader wrote: Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental, and on the request of the release managers, I UNACCEPTed it, given it was a major accidental change to a rather core library just as that library

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Denis Barbier
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:08:49AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Drew Parsons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060822 11:04]: 2) [technical] Remove the single point of failure by adding a Distribution: field to debian/control, say. The package will be rejected if the two fields in control and

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Joey Hess
Drew Parsons wrote: Unfortunately it's happened against, this time with the upload of xorg-server (xserver-xorg-core) 1:1.1.1-3, accidentally uploaded to unstable instead of experimental. An easy enough mistake, it's only one little field in a changelog file. '2:' is not any worse than '1:',

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 03:30:07PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Drew Parsons wrote: Unfortunately it's happened against, this time with the upload of xorg-server (xserver-xorg-core) 1:1.1.1-3, accidentally uploaded to unstable instead of experimental. An easy enough mistake, it's only one

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 06:42:46PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote: The Dear Project Leader wrote: Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental, and on the request of the release managers, I UNACCEPTed it, given it was a major accidental change to a

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Drew Parsons
Denis Barbier wrote: On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:08:49AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Drew Parsons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060822 11:04]: 2) [technical] Remove the single point of failure by adding a Distribution: field to debian/control, say. The package will be rejected if the two

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
Drew Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: e.g. build: test_stable patch build-stamp instead of build: patch build-stamp That would be good to be add in cdbs. I think we might want to have it more flexible to allow it to work for CDDs too but I liked it very much :-D -- O T A V I O

glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Anthony Towns
Hi *, Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental, and on the request of the release managers, I UNACCEPTed it, given it was a major accidental change to a rather core library just as that library should've been frozen. It was lucky that was possible

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:14:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The 2.3.999.2-10 upload (with signatures removed) is available on ftp-master.debian.org/~ajt/glibc/. Would anyone like to contribute their thoughts, so we can do an air crash style failure analysis to work out how we can avoid

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:14:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The reason I'm pointing this out at length is to emphasise that as we improve the archive software this will become not just awkward to do, but *impossible*. Is it really an improvement then? :-) I don't know the internals of dak

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10741 March 1977, Michael Banck wrote: That would mean more work for the ftp-masters/ftp-assistants though, so not sure. Doesnt sound like much work from that, so should be ok. -- bye Joerg mrvn Anyone with a cdrw/dvdrw drive up for some crazy experiments? Ever noticed how the

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 12:46 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:14:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The 2.3.999.2-10 upload (with signatures removed) is available on ftp-master.debian.org/~ajt/glibc/. Would anyone like to contribute their thoughts, so we can do an

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 12:50:38PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 08:14:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The reason I'm pointing this out at length is to emphasise that as we improve the archive software this will become not just awkward to do, but *impossible*.

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Simon Richter
Hello, Anthony Towns wrote: It worked because I was awake at 4:20am localtime, on IRC to notice, and willing to do something about it... While that's more common than is probably good, it's not something I like to see the release depend on... Well, if you hadn't been awake, the maintainers

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 04:59:13PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Well, if you hadn't been awake, the maintainers would have had to upload a package with an ugly version number (or even an epoch), which would not be the end of the world. Not everyone agrees with that :) Due to the craptacular

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 01:15 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 04:59:13PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Well, if you hadn't been awake, the maintainers would have had to upload a package with an ugly version number (or even an epoch), which would not be the end of the

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental, and on the request of the release managers, I UNACCEPTed it, given it was a major accidental change to a rather core library just as that library should've

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 09:43:06AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Yesterday, glibc 2.3.999.2-10 was accidently uploaded to unstable instead of experimental, and on the request of the release managers, I UNACCEPTed it, given it was a major

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 04:59:13PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Well, if you hadn't been awake, the maintainers would have had to upload a package with an ugly version number (or even an epoch), which would not be the end of the world. Not everyone agrees with that :)

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Joey Hess
Simon Richter wrote: I'm not sure it scales that well if you apply it to the entire archive, due to the overhead of the mirror pulse. It might make sense to have mini-pulses for parts of the archive, such as d-i. That doesn't work very well unless it can be very targeted; the parts of the

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (glibc and UNACCEPTs): ... how we can avoid this class of problem in future, given the safety net that caught us this time is going away? Ideally, there would be some automatic checks that could spot `probably erroneous' uploads, and which you would mention in your .changes