Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Stephen Gran] I really hope that's not true. There are many useful use cases for static linking when you're building for constrained or otherwise not quite sane environments that IMHO we should continue to support. Since in the main it's not that hard to do the right thing, it's also of

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Frank Küster
Timothy G Abbott tabbott at MIT.EDU writes: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Frank Küster wrote: Uh, you can dpkg-divert conffiles, but not generally configuration files, since many won't even be known to dpkg. I must admit I'm a bit sceptical about a proposal on configuration, written by

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Franklin PIAT
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 08:22 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Anibal Avelar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.0805 +0100]: http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Penguin_Fat.gif http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Jhas.png http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/little_pinguin.jpg

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Franklin PIAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.0936 +0100]: What about a bug... Bugs are our pets : we take care of them. I guess I just repeat myself when I question why we need to join the free software zoo. Is it hip? Are we hip? What's the gain? Why bother? A fluffy pillow with a

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fluff animal, on the other hand, is for kids. Debian is not. Debian is for everyone, kids included! -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1007 +0100]: A fluff animal, on the other hand, is for kids. Debian is not. Debian is for everyone, kids included! Yes. What I meant to say was: a stuffed animal might belittle Debian. The Swirl is way more mature, albeit perceived less

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2008-02-26 at 10:15 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Paul Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1007 +0100]: A fluff animal, on the other hand, is for kids. Debian is not. Debian is for everyone, kids included! Yes. What I meant to say was: a stuffed animal might belittle

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1018 +0100]: I don't think a stuff Tux belittles Linux. I don't think a stuffed animal would belittle Debian. Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS project with an animal mascot. -- .''`. martin f. krafft

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2008-02-26 at 10:20 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1018 +0100]: I don't think a stuff Tux belittles Linux. I don't think a stuffed animal would belittle Debian. Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS

Bug#467549: ITP: simutrans-pak64 -- data set for simutrans

2008-02-26 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ansgar Burchardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: simutrans-pak64 Version : 99.18 (from SVN) Upstream Author : Simutrans Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.simutrans.com/ * License : Artistic License, GPL

Re: Practical solutions to: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 06:02:59AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: For many users of other bug tracking systems such as bugzilla, the meaning of priority vs severity is totally unclear. I don't think that it would be a good idea to impose such a thing to all packages by default. Well, you don't

Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: Conventionally, library -dev packages do depend on other -dev packages that they require for static linking; and certainly, tools like pkg-config and libtool (and other home-grown foo-config scripts) tend to encourage this behavior. Nowadays, with a

Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Loïc Minier
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: And what if somebody will try to link statically? Your -config binary should gain a --static flag to distinguish between the two uses. -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Practical solutions to: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:58:49AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: It almost sounds like you want a user setable severity-like field. That could be implemented, but the problem is that it's far less flexible than usertags because it would only have a single value. (Note that I did not ask for

Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Petter Reinholdtsen said: [Stephen Gran] I really hope that's not true. There are many useful use cases for static linking when you're building for constrained or otherwise not quite sane environments that IMHO we should continue to support. Since in the main

Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version

2008-02-26 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hello Raphael, Raphael Geissert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jörg Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] jed (U) This is a SVN snapshot. There's no release of it. I fail to see how to point to a changelog file in a SVN repository. How should I handle this situation? Bye, Jörg. -- Prof. in der

Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:03:06PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Petter Reinholdtsen said: [Stephen Gran] I really hope that's not true. There are many useful use cases for static linking when you're building for constrained or otherwise not quite sane

Re: Looking for co-maintainer for mercurial

2008-02-26 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Edward Allcutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:05:46AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Aaron M. Ucko said: Julian Andres Klode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, I think that hg is now the only VCS package

On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Jon Dowland
Is it worth investing much effort into debugging watch file issues? In my experience, watchfiles are seldom useful. There was the whole problem with getting at HTTPS URLs; the sourceforge workarounds (that broke); etc. One of the packages I maintain (deutex) does not have the latest upstream

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Martín Ferrari
Hi Jon, On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it worth investing much effort into debugging watch file issues? In my experience, yes. I can cite the example of the perl group: 679 packages group maintained. You'll guess that there's no way in earth a

Re: Looking for co-maintainer for mercurial

2008-02-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
Steve Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Aaron M. Ucko said: [migrating to -curiosa] Julian Andres Klode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, I think that hg is now the only VCS package which is not maintained in its own VCS format. (or are there other packages, too?) $ apt-cache

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread David Given
Lars Wirzenius wrote: [...] I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :) How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and they're *everywhere*... -- David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also sprach Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1018 +0100]: I don't think a stuff Tux belittles Linux. I don't think a stuffed animal would belittle Debian. Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS project with an

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-26 12:26]: also sprach Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1018 +0100]: I don't think a stuff Tux belittles Linux. I don't think a stuffed animal would belittle Debian. Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/2/26, David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lars Wirzenius wrote: I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :) How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and they're *everywhere*... No thanks, I preferred the Weasel idea to this :P Miry -- To

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:19:14PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: If you give me some time and a co-maintainer at hand... I am barely keeping up with *new* bugreports and updating the packages, keeping them buildable, backporting fixes from upstream etc. You are demonstrating another fairly

Dual-boot setup, incorrect time in Debian's side

2008-02-26 Thread Ismael Valladolid Torres
I am running a dual boot system with Windows XP and Debian just upgraded to unstable installed. As usual Windows sets the hardware clock to local time. To compensate for this I have UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS as specified. However this setting seems to be ignored. Debian seems to always think

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Tuesday 26 February 2008 14:41:41 Nico Golde, vous avez écrit : Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS project with an animal mascot. I strongly agree, also because we already have a logo it would be nice if the new fancy logo would be related to the existing

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Martín Ferrari wrote: Of course, we have luck, because CPAN (99% of our packages come from there, and we have only 4 unsolvable watch problems) is pretty well-behaving and consistent, compared to other upstreams. But chances are that watchfiles can be useful for the

Re: Dual-boot setup, incorrect time in Debian's side

2008-02-26 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:53:31PM +0100, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: I am running a dual boot system with Windows XP and Debian just upgraded to unstable installed. As usual Windows sets the hardware clock to local time. To compensate for this I have UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS as

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Romain Beauxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.1454 +0100]: Now that I think about it, I think that a care bear with a debian logo on it's belly would even be better than a marmot :-D Oh, then I vote for teletubbies. (NOT) -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Sam Hocevar] Development news Last month Petter Reinholdtsen (pere) gave some news about his project of improving the init system [3]. This is almost as simple as adding LSB headers to your init scripts, and work is advancing towards this goal, though not as quickly as

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 26 février 2008 à 13:10 +, Jon Dowland a écrit : If you are unable to manage with the quantity of bugs coming in, that's because *more people are needed*, http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-captain-obvious-cat.jpg -- .''`. : :' : We are

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Frans Pop
Timothy G Abbott wrote: There are really two problems with debconf in our system. The first is that debconf asks questions which our configuration package system will override. Using 'DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical apt-get install' limits them, but some packages we configure prompt for

Re: Dual-boot setup, incorrect time in Debian's side

2008-02-26 Thread Frans Pop
Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: As usual Windows sets the hardware clock to local time. To compensate for this I have UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS as specified. There is another file that may need to be changed: /etc/adjtime Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:26:30PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: What are the constrained environments where you think static linking would be useful? I'm developing embedded systems and I prefer shared libraries - unless you have only one application using a particular library then you will

Re: conditional dependency?

2008-02-26 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:07:10PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: I stopped providing static libraries in all my library packages quite a while back. No one used them, and they were just needless bloat. I can't say I would be upset if we dropped all the static libraries from the entire

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:11:16 -0500, David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 09:31:10PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:34:55 +1100, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How to cope with patches sanely

2008-02-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:04:10 -0500, David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:56:49AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: No, it does not. If branch A has pi = 2.34567; and branch B has pi = 3.14159; No matter how much quilting you do you cannot reconcile the fundamental

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [Sam Hocevar] Development news Last month Petter Reinholdtsen (pere) gave some news about his project of improving the init system [3]. This is almost as simple as adding LSB headers to your init scripts, and work

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Lars Wirzenius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm not advocating stuffed animals for Debian mascots. I'm fine with a pillow, a tie, and a tutu. I proposed Lars Wirzenius wearing nothing but a tie and a tutu, and holding a pillow with a swirl on it, as the official Debian mascot.

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:58:06 +0100, Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While jidanni's bugs are often hard to read and some might be plain stupid, I got many valuables bugs about hard to spot bugs or broken documentation. I think in the large picture he did more to improve Debian than some

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:20:37 +0100, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le vendredi 22 février 2008 à 02:10 +0900, Paul Wise a écrit : On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, maybe you're just too incompetent for that. Insulting contributors

Re: Practical solutions to: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Tristan Seligmann
* Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-26 12:00:25 +0100]: Yes, it would be less flexible, but what meaning has a priority field with multiple values? I think that such a field would be meaningful only to sort upon it, and go looking for sorting of multiple valued fields seems to be

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 26 février 2008 à 18:56 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:20:37 +0100, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, but jidanni is not a contributor. He contributes a lot of Bug Reports which is important input. While bug reports are certainly important input,

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:33:26PM +0100]: For an idea of a mascot, maybe you could try some sort of bear. When I created the logo of my company [1], I tried to select an animal that could remind me the strength of Debian and I selected the bear: - walks usually slowly but

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Tille dijo [Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:02:31PM +0100]: Well, in fact it is helpful if you teach upstream to organise releases that way that watchfiles would work. This is not only in the interest of Debian but for the whole FLOSS community so other interested users will be able to

Bug#467655: ITP: cbflib -- C library for accessing Crystallographic Binary Files

2008-02-26 Thread Teemu Ikonen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Teemu Ikonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: cbflib Version : 0.7.9 Upstream Author : Herbert J. Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.bernstein-plus-sons.com/software/CBF/ * License : GPL Programming Lang:

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 02:54:18PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: Le Tuesday 26 February 2008 14:41:41 Nico Golde, vous avez écrit : Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS project with an animal mascot. I strongly agree, also because we already have a logo it

Re: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread William Pitcock
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 19:21 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: While bug reports are certainly important input, lame and stupid bug reports are not. What is lame and stupid to us may not be lame and stupid to the average user. Just because you find no value in a particular report (or set of

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Gunnar Wolf wrote: Raphael Hertzog dijo [Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:33:26PM +0100]: For an idea of a mascot, maybe you could try some sort of bear. When I created the logo of my company [1], I tried to select an animal that could remind me the strength of Debian and I selected the bear: -

Re: On the subject of watchfiles (was Re: Proposed MBF: Debian upstream version higher than watch file-reported upstream version)

2008-02-26 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Heh, start a bit earlier (think Ruby)... Educate maintainers to release proper .tar.gz, not braindead .gem packages containing the equivalent to an orig.tar.gz (but created due to a nice don't-ask-me-why-that's-not-properly-implemented bug in December 31,

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Pierre Habouzit writes (Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)): Raphael is wrong to ask you to rebase, he's _really_ wrong about that, but *you* also are wrong to ask him to pull (aka fetch + merge). The usual way is that _you_ merge the current state of dpkg in

Re: Extending fortunes-debian-hints package

2008-02-26 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Kartik Mistry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080226 05:09]: Great idea. Please check: http://wiki.debian.org/FortunesDebianHints and get started! I am new to wiki, so improve my formatting too :) You might want to subscribe to that wiki page, so you'll get notified via email, when someone makes a

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread William Pitcock
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 12:21 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: In natural environments, you could hardly find animals living as far apart as polar bears and penguins. A polar bear has to swim/walk close to 15,000Km (as neither lives really on the poles, right?) to find a decent penguin. to find a

mc with new utf-8 patch in experimental available - please test

2008-02-26 Thread Patrick Winnertz
Hey! Since upstream of mc rejects the current utf8 patchset which is used by several distributions and this patchset is to be honest, indeed not very good, I decided to switch to a new patchset, which was posted on the mc-devel list last year. One of the upstream authors took a look on this

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes (Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)): It starts with two very big commits touching almost all files and is followed by many small commits which have ubuntu changelog entries as commit log (and thus the summary line is useless). It also

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Timothy G Abbott
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Frank K??ster wrote: [...] 3) Scripts that are not marked as conffiles but which cannot be configured in any way other than by modifying the script. If those scripts live below /etc, they definitely should be marked as conffiles. If they live elsewhere, no package should

Re: Practical solutions to: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I think that such a field would be meaningful only to sort upon it, and go looking for sorting of multiple valued fields seems to be looking for trouble to me. Since tags don't sort, they segregate, you just choose based on the first one that

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Hector Oron
2008/2/25, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet? As i see on news today, sudafrica has an openning to hunt elephants again because they have so much, but some time ago there where on risk of extintion. Is not there an elephant on

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread nic
Well, now after I worked it out, you can have a look at my drafts at https://disc.alice-dsl.net . to log in use username aura_urlaub and password public. its an ant and an ant-eater as first ideas. nic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes (Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)): Given that many of us work on the kernel, some of us are both upstream and downstream in git, and therefore know *both* sides of the troubles and advantages of git rebase quite well... I

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Pierre Habouzit writes (Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)): Well, what you want him to do then is not rebasing onto master, because that won't change that a single bit. And indeed I agree this history is a complete mess, and an SCM abuse. What you want

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread William Pitcock
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 21:19 +0100, Harald Braumann wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:45:05 +0100 Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/2/26, David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lars Wirzenius wrote: I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :) How about a

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 25/02/2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: What you want him to do is using: git rebase -i his original branch point Probably with -p. -- Cyril Brulebois, who tried, w/o prior knowledge of the code. pgpi79bZt6Ty5.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Timothy G Abbott writes (Debian Configuration Packaging System): applying dpkg-divert to configuration files. Yikes. Tim Abbott writes (Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System): I'll note that we wrap our dpkg-divert calls with a bunch of error-handling code that we found quite important

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Harald Braumann
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:45:05 +0100 Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/2/26, David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lars Wirzenius wrote: I'd really rather see something nicer than an ant as a mascot. :) How about a cockroach? Beautifully engineered, indestructable, and they're

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Hector Oron wrote: 2008/2/25, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet? Is not there an elephant on Toy Story Action Figures? As the huge amount of packages, architectures, documentations, translations, mail lists, ... that we

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:36:32AM +0100, Franklin PIAT wrote: What about a bug... Bugs are our pets : we take care of them. Oh god. No, please, everything but not a bug as mascot. You'll be unable to communicate to our users that we _care_ for bugs. It will bring the reputation to Debian, that

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:20:55AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Fine. I have other arguments: it would make it yet another FOSS project with an animal mascot. What about a Foss project with a non-animal mascot? And for an non-animal mascot I'd like to suggest The perfect spiral [¹]. [¹]

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:09:46PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: I will then merge mainline into my branch, do any conflict resolution necessary, and give it a quick test to make sure nothing seems to have been broken in the meantime. Then merging my branch back into mainline is, as you say,

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:56:40AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Franklin PIAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.0936 +0100]: What about a bug... Bugs are our pets : we take care of them. I guess I just repeat myself when I question why we need to join the free software zoo. Is

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Patrick Schoenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.02.26.2239 +0100]: From a marketing point of view its a really great idea, because it betters the recognition of Debian. From a marketing point of view, our swirl is already better than any other mascot, except maybe Tux. -- .''`.

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 01:41:22PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: (Also, it's a bloody mascot, who cares if they don't /really/ live in the same locations. They live in the same /climate/ and that's good enough for most people.) How about a leopard seal? They eat penguins :-|

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:56:40 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: What about a bug... Bugs are our pets : we take care of them. I guess I just repeat myself when I question why we need to join the free software zoo. Is it hip? Are we hip? What's the gain? Why bother? Ack. A fluffy pillow with a

Re: Practical solutions to: the new style mass tirage of bugs

2008-02-26 Thread jidanni
DN don't have the time (or often the ability) to go back and DN reproduce the hundreds of bugs Yes. Never mind the old bugs then. Just try to reproduce new bugs as they come in, before they become old bugs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Bug#466728: ITP: python-trio -- RDF utilities

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Vaughan
Hi On Thursday 21 February 2008 19:07, Noah Slater wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: Sorry, this is precisely rationale I fight against. Just saying if you don't know what this is, you don't need this defeats the purpose of packages descriptions.

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
William Pitcock dijo [Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 01:41:22PM -0600]: In natural environments, you could hardly find animals living as far apart as polar bears and penguins. A polar bear has to swim/walk close to 15,000Km (as neither lives really on the poles, right?) to find a decent penguin.

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Timothy G Abbott
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Ian Jackson wrote: Tim Abbott writes (Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System): applying dpkg-divert to configuration files. Yikes. At the moment, there are no choices for doing site configuration that are general enough to change arbitrary configuration options

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread John Hasler
Consider a red octopus with its arms arranged in a swirl. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Franklin PIAT
On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 22:02 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 09:36:32AM +0100, Franklin PIAT wrote: What about a bug... Bugs are our pets : we take care of them. Oh god. No, please, everything but not a bug as mascot. You'll be unable to communicate to our users

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
Timothy G Abbott writes (Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System): All of the important problems with our dpkg-divert based configuration package system that have been discussed in this forum are problems for any configuration mechanism other than debconf preseeding. Debconf preseeding

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-02-26 Thread Timothy G Abbott
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Ian Jackson wrote: Timothy G Abbott writes (Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System): All of the important problems with our dpkg-divert based configuration package system that have been discussed in this forum are problems for any configuration mechanism other than

Bug#468110: ITP: osptoolkit -- An open source client side development kit for Open Settlement Protocol

2008-02-26 Thread TransNexus, Inc.
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: TransNexus, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: osptoolkit Version : 3.4.2 Upstream Author : TransNexus, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : https://sourceforge.net/projects/osp-toolkit * License : BSD Programming Lang:

Re: mc with new utf-8 patch in experimental available - please test

2008-02-26 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Patrick Winnertz wrote: Since this patchset is quite new, I uploaded it for first testing to experimental and I it would rock if someone would test it and report errors to me :) Displays only question marks in the ru_RU.KOI8-R locale. This regression is a showstopper. -- Alexander E.

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Ben Finney
gregor herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'd actually like to see, own and use is a sweat-shirt; wearing it in everday life would be a nice and easy way of promoting Debian. URL:http://clusty.com/search?query=host%3Acafepress.com+debian+sweatshirt -- \ Dyslexia means never

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Nico Golde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I strongly agree, also because we already have a logo it would be nice if the new fancy logo would be related to the existing ones. I really like the genie in http://www.openpuppets.com/fondos/8c.png :) Hey, I like the

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 07:55:56PM +, Hector Oron wrote: 2008/2/25, Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What? You don't have a set of Toy Story Action Figures yet? As i see on news today, sudafrica has an openning to hunt elephants again because they have so much, but some time

Re: Idea of Debian mascot

2008-02-26 Thread Anibal Avelar
On 2/26/08, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider a red octopus with its arms arranged in a swirl. Swirl? http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Cucumber_Swirl.jpg http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Swirl_by_greenvampire.jpg http://fixxxer.cc/images/mascot/Red_Swirl_by_gemh.jpg

Re: Google Summer of Code 2008

2008-02-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hey folks, Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1], and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd and March 12th. If we're accepted as a mentoring organisation, then students will be able

Re: git bikeshedding (Re: triggers in dpkg, and dpkg maintenance)

2008-02-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Ian Jackson wrote: But, is it really worth the effort to go back and edit revision logs now ? And if I do so, will I disrupt merging any less than if I rebase ? As soon as you edit commits, they'll get a new id, and thus you'll disrupt merging. The thing that you

Re: Erlang on UltraSparc III (again)

2008-02-26 Thread Sergei Golovan
On 2/24/08, Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can confirm that there is some serious problem. I've tried to rebuild Erlang on SunBlade 1000 (which is Ultrasparc III) and I keep getting non-reproducible falures (two Bus Errors in different places, once aborted saying that the file is

Accepted liboil 0.3.13-1 (source i386)

2008-02-26 Thread Sebastian Dröge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:21:17 +0100 Source: liboil Binary: liboil0.3 liboil0.3-dev liboil0.3-dbg Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.3.13-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Maintainers of GStreamer packages [EMAIL

Accepted orage 4.5.12.2-3 (source amd64)

2008-02-26 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:34:41 +0100 Source: orage Binary: orage Architecture: source amd64 Version: 4.5.12.2-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Xfce Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Yves-Alexis Perez [EMAIL

Accepted claws-mail-extra-plugins 3.3.1-1 (source all amd64)

2008-02-26 Thread Ricardo Mones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:38:19 +0100 Source: claws-mail-extra-plugins Binary: claws-mail-extra-plugins claws-mail-extra-plugins-dbg claws-mail-vcalendar-plugin claws-mail-perl-filter claws-mail-feeds-reader claws-mail-mailmbox-plugin

Accepted gstreamermm 0.9.4-2 (source all i386)

2008-02-26 Thread Deng Xiyue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:27:21 +0800 Source: gstreamermm Binary: libgstreamermm-0.10-2 libgstreamermm-0.10-dev libgstreamermm-0.10-dbg libgstreamermm-0.10-doc Architecture: source all i386 Version: 0.9.4-2 Distribution: experimental

Accepted libmicrohttpd 0.2.1-2 (source i386)

2008-02-26 Thread Daniel Baumann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:26:00 +0100 Source: libmicrohttpd Binary: libmicrohttpd3 libmicrohttpd-dbg libmicrohttpd-dev Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.2.1-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Daniel Baumann [EMAIL

Accepted gtkmm2.4 1:2.12.5-2 (source all i386)

2008-02-26 Thread Deng Xiyue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:11:26 +0800 Source: gtkmm2.4 Binary: libgtkmm-2.4-dev libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-dbg libgtkmm-2.4-doc Architecture: source all i386 Version: 1:2.12.5-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Deng

Accepted cl-who 0.11.0-2 (source all)

2008-02-26 Thread Peter Van Eynde
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:58:22 +0100 Source: cl-who Binary: cl-who Architecture: source all Version: 0.11.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Common Lisp Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Peter Van Eynde [EMAIL

Accepted gpsk31 0.3.2-1 (source i386)

2008-02-26 Thread Joop Stakenborg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:29:36 +0100 Source: gpsk31 Binary: gpsk31 Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.3.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Joop Stakenborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Changed-By: Joop Stakenborg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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