Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:30 PM Martin Steigerwald wrote: > As long as people choose to strip of dependencies to libsystemd from > packages like util-linux, avoiding a fork would not work with how Debian > and Debian based distributions are built. It might be feasible to introduce nosystemd

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Wed 17/Oct/2018 23:06:24 +0200 Russ Allbery wrote: >> You say "more than adequate". I don't particularly see it as providing a >> solid system as you don't get restart on failure. Now I can see how >> people say that this is not a problem as daemons should not crash in the >> first place.

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Bastian Blank - 19.10.18, 12:25: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > So Devuan almost doubles the percentage of sysvinit-core > > installations. > Devuan is _not_ Debian. They forked it, with the full knowledge that > they might have to do all the work to

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Holger Levsen - 19.10.18, 12:02: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > A minority? Yes. But a sizable one. > > It doesn't matter how many people use it, if noone is willing to > maintain it. *If* people are maintaining it, it also doesnt matter > how many

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > A minority? Yes. But a sizable one. It doesn't matter how many people use it, if noone is willing to maintain it. *If* people are maintaining it, it also doesnt matter how many people are using it :) *Someone* needs to do the

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Narcis Garcia
__ I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. El 19/10/18 a les 09:37, Philipp Kern ha escrit: > On 2018-10-19 08:39, Narcis Garcia

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2018-10-19 at 09:37 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2018-10-19 08:39, Narcis Garcia wrote: > > El 18/10/18 a les 22:07, Bernd Zeimetz ha escrit: > > > For my packages I can state that I do not have a single machine > > > which is not using systemd - and to be honest - I won't waste my > >

GNU shepherd or OpenRC (Was: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support)

2018-10-19 Thread Ondřej Surý
That’s interesting though - could we use GNU shepherd to: a) support kFreeBSD? b) automatically translate systemd units to sheep(?) (limited subset might work) The other alternative is OpenRC - here’s the same question - could we have systemd units as authoritative definition and have OpenRC

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2018-10-19 08:39, Narcis Garcia wrote: El 18/10/18 a les 22:07, Bernd Zeimetz ha escrit: For my packages I can state that I do not have a single machine which is not using systemd - and to be honest - I won't waste my time in writing/debugging initscripts. Most of people want to use a GNU

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Narcis Garcia
__ I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator should fix this against automated addresses collectors. El 18/10/18 a les 22:07, Bernd Zeimetz ha escrit: > For my packages I can state that I do