On 18.09.20 15:41, Norbert Preining wrote:
Hi Marc,
we, that is Scarlett Moore and Patrick Franz and me, are working on
updating Plasma in Debian.
(...)
So yes, things are moving, in particular to the collaborative attitude
of Scarlett and their and Patrick's work.
Thanks a lot everybody for
Martin Steigerwald - 18.09.20, 17:58:58 CEST:
> Luc Castermans - 18.09.20, 16:14:14 CEST:
> > Op vr 18 sep. 2020 om 15:49 schreef Marc Haber > k...@zugschlus.de>:
[…]
> Just for everyone: Plasma 5.19 cannot be tested in complete at the
> moment as some packages are going through NEW queue and
Dear Norbert.
Norbert Preining - 18.09.20, 15:41:30 CEST:
> we, that is Scarlett Moore and Patrick Franz and me, are working on
> updating Plasma in Debian. For now we are uploading 5.19(.4) to
> Debian/experimental, but this needs a few iterations due to NEW
> processing, but hopefully it will
Luc Castermans - 18.09.20, 16:14:14 CEST:
> Op vr 18 sep. 2020 om 15:49 schreef Marc Haber :
> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:41:30PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > > we, that is Scarlett Moore and Patrick Franz and me, are working
> > > on
> > > updating Plasma in Debian. For now we are
Hi,
I am happy to test as well!
Luc
Op vr 18 sep. 2020 om 15:49 schreef Marc Haber :
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:41:30PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > we, that is Scarlett Moore and Patrick Franz and me, are working on
> > updating Plasma in Debian. For now we are uploading 5.19(.4) to
>
On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:41:30PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> we, that is Scarlett Moore and Patrick Franz and me, are working on
> updating Plasma in Debian. For now we are uploading 5.19(.4) to
> Debian/experimental, but this needs a few iterations due to NEW
> processing, but hopefully it
Hi Marc,
we, that is Scarlett Moore and Patrick Franz and me, are working on
updating Plasma in Debian. For now we are uploading 5.19(.4) to
Debian/experimental, but this needs a few iterations due to NEW
processing, but hopefully it will be all done soon.
I think - but Scarlett please correct
Hi,
more than two months ago, Jeremy Potter asked a valid question.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 05:08:48PM -0700, Jeremy Potter wrote:
> Debian Sid is still on Plasma 5.17, meanwhile 5.18 LTS and 5.19 have
> already been released with 5.20 around the corner. I searched the mailing
> lists and it
Hi Lucy
My packages are built right there ;-) It is a great service.
Best
Norbert
PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info
Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev
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Just came across: https://build.opensuse.org/
The/a developper mentioned this to be a X-distro build system, so can/could
be used to create Debian packages.
Could such service help, if appropriate, to create momentum?
Luc
Op zo 26 jul. 2020 om 22:51 schreef Shmerl :
> Om Tue, 07 Jul 2020
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 18:27:37 CEST, Hillel Lubman ha scritto:
> Seriously, without anything constructive to contribute to the discussion,
> such
> comments aren't useful to anyone. This list shouldn't be a place for
> flamewars.
Seriously, avoid spilling petrol with your obviousness,
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:48:32 +0200 Marco Valli wrote:
> but since Sid is not a rolling release the debian kde
> team can avoid to works with m*r*ns.
Seriously, without anything constructive to contribute to the discussion,
such
comments aren't useful to anyone. This list shouldn't be a place for
Il 27/07/20 11:53, Marco Valli ha scritto:
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 10:19:41 CEST, luca.pedrielli ha scritto:
Thanks Marco for another great comment.
Lol, I have to assume you've never heard of the novacula Occami.
regards
Thanks twice.
--
Saluti, Luca Pedrielli
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 12:53:05 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> You are aware that you are scratching on the door of a CoC warning? Continue
> calling other people morons and within short time this will be your last
> post here.
Take it easy, dude, the ml come and go...
--
Marco
Hi!
Marco Valli - 27.07.20, 12:48:32 CEST:
> In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 12:06:45 CEST, Luc Castermans ha
> scritto:
> > Is there a simple explanation of the status of KDE in Debian?
>
> Scarcity of manpower, but since Sid is not a rolling release the
> debian kde team can avoid to works with
You are aware that you are scratching on the door of a CoC warning? Continue
calling other people morons and within short time this will be your last post
here.
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 12:06:45 CEST, Luc Castermans ha scritto:
> Is there a simple explanation of the status of KDE in Debian?
Scarcity of manpower, but since Sid is not a rolling release the debian kde
team can avoid to works with m*r*ns.
regards
--
Marco Valli
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 12:35:23 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> Showing off pseudo-education,
Showing off real-stupidity
> how great. Do you think you are the only one
> with a background in classical education?
No.
--
Marco Valli
Showing off pseudo-education, how great. Do you think you are the only one with
a background in classical education?
So now I learned about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
Is there a simple explanation of the status of KDE in Debian?
Op ma 27 jul. 2020 om 11:54 schreef Marco Valli :
> In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 10:22:06 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> > Lines up well with the rest
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 10:22:06 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> Lines up well with the rest of his comments!
I don't like wasting words unnecessarily!
--
Marco Valli
In data lunedì 27 luglio 2020 10:19:41 CEST, luca.pedrielli ha scritto:
> Thanks Marco for another great comment.
Lol, I have to assume you've never heard of the novacula Occami.
regards
--
Marco Valli
> Thanks Marco for another great comment.
Lines up well with the rest of his comments!
Norbert
--
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Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev
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Il 27/07/20 09:46, Marco Valli ha scritto:
In data martedì 21 luglio 2020 21:03:15 CEST, hai scritto:
I certainly use Sid as a rolling release, and many other people do the
same. Many people would like to experience the reliability, maturity, and
democratic governance of Debian while having
In data martedì 21 luglio 2020 21:03:15 CEST, hai scritto:
> I certainly use Sid as a rolling release, and many other people do the
> same. Many people would like to experience the reliability, maturity, and
> democratic governance of Debian while having updated packages, and sid
> offers that for
Could I help ? Although I am just a humble non-Debian packager.
Luc
Op 26-07-2020 om 22:33 schreef Shmerl:
Om Tue, 07 Jul 2020 08:20:48 -0700 Scarlett Moore wrote:
> Again, help is gladly accepted as long as it is quality work
> and not just a changelog entry..
> Thanks, Scarlett
Hi Scarlett!
Om Tue, 07 Jul 2020 08:20:48 -0700 Scarlett Moore wrote:
> Again, help is gladly accepted as long as it is quality work
> and not just a changelog entry..
> Thanks, Scarlett
Hi Scarlett!
If I understand correctly, it's primarily you alone working now on updating
Plasma packages
in Debian
Hi Pino,
thanks for sharing your concerns. But can you elaborate somewhat more on a few
things?
Am Dienstag, 7. Juli 2020, 16:57:23 CEST schrieb Pino Toscano:
[...]
> It is definitely not nice to see that all the work & efforts in many
> years are happily thrown down the loo by
Why do you
On Tue, 07 Jul 2020, Scarlett Moore wrote:
> amount of work needed. Again, help is gladly accepted as long as it is
> quality
> work and not just a changelog entry..
You don't understand that "just a changelog entry" implies:
- checking that no dependencies has changed
- test building and
Hi all,
Just a few comments to clarify my position.
- I *always* provided sources for my changes, never binary only
- It was not the comment on IRC that triggered my stepping back, but
Sandro's "evaluation" of my merge requests as "sub-par", "expecting
more from a DD of 20 years", etc ...
In response to remarks in this thread, I like to add two remarks:
"Open": is for me the openness of mind: listening to others opinions,
remarks, etc. And carefully digestion these, balancing them, before
responding to them.
Secondly: I consider myself Debian-ist. Packages created outside
Dear Marco,
Marco Möller - 07.07.20, 19:28:52 CEST:
> Looking also at the signature of your mail, I assume that you might
> have some insights also on the general situation. I am wondering
> about Qt itself moving to version 6 and having announced to change
> the license conditions by which KDE
Dear Scarlett, dear Norbert, dear community,
Scarlett Moore - 07.07.20, 17:20:48 CEST:
> I was not on this list, sorry. I have been working on plasma packages
> and they are quite out of date. I am new to Debian process of mass
> package updates, so I am slower than I care to admit, plus
>
On 07.07.20 17:20, Scarlett Moore wrote:
On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 7:57:23 AM MST Pino Toscano wrote:
In data martedì 7 luglio 2020 09:06:20 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:
Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2020, 15:48:55 CEST schrieb Norbert Preining:
Hi Dietz,
Would you mind announcing relevant changes
Dear Pino.
Pino Toscano - 07.07.20, 16:57:23 CEST:
> In data martedì 7 luglio 2020 09:06:20 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:
> > Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2020, 15:48:55 CEST schrieb Norbert Preining:
> > > Hi Dietz,
> > >
> > > > Would you mind announcing relevant changes from your side
> > > >
On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 7:57:23 AM MST Pino Toscano wrote:
> In data martedì 7 luglio 2020 09:06:20 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:
> > Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2020, 15:48:55 CEST schrieb Norbert Preining:
> > > Hi Dietz,
> > >
> > > > Would you mind announcing relevant changes from your side
In data martedì 7 luglio 2020 09:06:20 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:
> Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2020, 15:48:55 CEST schrieb Norbert Preining:
> > Hi Dietz,
> >
> > > Would you mind announcing relevant changes from your side (changed repos,
> > > discontinued development and so on) also oh
Hi.
Luc Castermans - 07.07.20, 09:42:34 CEST:
> I have no objections to this proposal.
> At the same time I like to express my wish to find an opening to get
> out of the current situation.
Just speaking for myself personally: I second this.
Best,
--
Martin
Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2020, 15:48:55 CEST schrieb Norbert Preining:
> Hi Dietz,
>
> > Would you mind announcing relevant changes from your side (changed repos,
> > discontinued development and so on) also oh debian-kde?
>
> I don't think this is welcome here, since also on the IRC channel I was
>
Dear
I have no objections to this proposal.
At the same time I like to express my wish to find an opening to get out of
the current situation.
Regards,
Luc
Op di 7 jul. 2020 om 09:06 schreef Rainer Dorsch :
> Am Sonntag, 5. Juli 2020, 15:48:55 CEST schrieb Norbert Preining:
> > Hi Dietz,
> >
>
Hi,
I am slowly learning Debian packaging myself. Also I tried to compile KDE
myself, while this is not 100% successful it learned my how big KDE is.
>From the discussions in this thread, once I asked the question also, it
became clear to me that having a small team on one end and a huge amount
Hi Dietz,
> Would you mind announcing relevant changes from your side (changed repos,
> discontinued development and so on) also oh debian-kde?
I don't think this is welcome here, since also on the IRC channel I was
told not to advertise my repositories.
I suggest you to follow my blog, tag
Hi Norbert,
and I have to confess - looks like a really, really decent piece of work you
did.
Quite a pity, that there seem to be differences on using what you have been
producing.
Would you mind announcing relevant changes from your side (changed repos,
discontinued development and so on)
In data mercoledì 1 luglio 2020 22:03:53 CEST, Shmerl ha scritto:
> I still don't understand
> why is Plasma still outdated in Debian testing / unstable.
Maybe because Debian unstable is *not* a rolling release but a development
version?
regards
--
Marco Valli
hi Shmerl
When I asked similar a while ago my conclusion was the amount of work,
hundreds of packages, on one side and the amount of packagers on the
other side. And of course disagreements in this case make the effective
packaging capacity even smaller.
Luc
Op 01-07-2020 om 22:03 schreef
> Debian Sid is still on Plasma 5.17, meanwhile 5.18 LTS and 5.19 have
already
> been released with 5.20 around the corner
> ...
> What is the status on this now?
Did you actually find the answer to your question? From this whole thread,
I still don't understand
why is Plasma still outdated in
Hi Marco,
On Montag, 29. Juni 2020 13:30:31 CEST Marco Valli wrote:
> In data lunedì 29 giugno 2020 13:12:28 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> > Another great contribution that lines up perfectly with the rest!
>
> "I remain politely silent about your comments"
>
>
Yes, a verbal meeting would be good, Jitsi is fine I guess. I sense that
all subscribe to the need to "get KDE updates as fast as possible into
Debian" . So the starting point is excellent! Let's discuss if this is
correct during the meeting and depending on how that goes poll about ways
On maandag 29 juni 2020 14:15:41 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Sander van Grieken - 29.06.20, 13:23:41 CEST:
> > On zondag 28 juni 2020 12:53:15 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > Dear Marco, dear Qt/KDE team, dear Norberg, dear community,
> > >
> > > Marco Valli - 28.06.20, 11:12:03 CEST:
>
Hi Luc.
Luc Castermans - 29.06.20, 13:52:39 CEST:
> Are we past the point of no return or is there an option to go to
> square one and restart? What would be needed to do so?
I have no idea. Actually I do not really understand the conflict.
However…
> At the same time I note that email is a
Sander van Grieken - 29.06.20, 13:23:41 CEST:
> On zondag 28 juni 2020 12:53:15 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Dear Marco, dear Qt/KDE team, dear Norberg, dear community,
> >
> > Marco Valli - 28.06.20, 11:12:03 CEST:
> > > Do you remember debian multimedia of Marillat, another "very
> > >
Hi,
Right Sander:
Knowing nothing about the history of the frictions but knowing the needs
and acknowledging each other's skills I regret to read the thread.
Are we past the point of no return or is there an option to go to square
one and restart? What would be needed to do so?
At the same time
On zondag 28 juni 2020 12:53:15 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Dear Marco, dear Qt/KDE team, dear Norberg, dear community,
>
> Marco Valli - 28.06.20, 11:12:03 CEST:
> > Do you remember debian multimedia of Marillat, another "very
> > experienced DD"? No? well, even preining in a few years will
In data lunedì 29 giugno 2020 13:12:28 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> Another great contribution that lines up perfectly with the rest!
"I remain politely silent about your comments"
https://imgflip.com/i/12zl00
--
Marco Valli
Another great contribution that lines up perfectly with the rest!
In data lunedì 29 giugno 2020 00:39:34 CEST, Norbert Preining ha scritto:
> Looking at contributors.debian.org, I remain politely silent about your
> comments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facepalm
--
Marco Valli
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020, Marco Valli wrote:
> Do you remember debian multimedia of Marillat, another "very experienced DD"?
> No? well, even preining in a few years will no longer remember by anyone.
> Debian yes.
Looking at contributors.debian.org, I remain politely silent about your
comments.
Hi Jeremy,
there is good news, Norbert's continues to provide KDE packages e.g. for
5.19.2 , see
https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/06/kde-plasma-5-19-2-for-debian/
Be aware I have not used them, all my desktop systems are on stable and as I
try to avoid to have third party repos as much as
On 28.06.20 02:08, Jeremy Potter wrote:
Hello everyone,
Debian Sid is still on Plasma 5.17, meanwhile 5.18 LTS and 5.19 have
already been released with 5.20 around the corner. I searched the mailing
lists and it seems like this was discussed a few months ago and the KDE
development team were
Dear Marco, dear Qt/KDE team, dear Norberg, dear community,
Marco Valli - 28.06.20, 11:12:03 CEST:
> In data domenica 28 giugno 2020 10:18:03 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha
scritto:
> > Norbert's packages are built and
> > meant for Debian sid/bullseye, so none of the criteria for
> > FrankenDebian
> >
Dear Norbert, dear Qt/KDE team of Debian/Kubuntu, dear users, dear
community.
Marco Valli - 28.06.20, 09:03:53 CEST:
> In data domenica 28 giugno 2020 02:08:48 CEST, Jeremy Potter ha
scritto:
> > Norbert Preining (who is
> > controversial for some reason?) had created a third-party repository
>
In data domenica 28 giugno 2020 10:18:03 CEST, Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:
> Norbert's packages are built and
> meant for Debian sid/bullseye, so none of the criteria for FrankenDebian
> applies:
Those are just *exempla*.
Do you remember debian multimedia of Marillat, another "very experienced DD"?
Hi Jeremy,
It is now 5.19.2 (and frameworks 5.71), see here
https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/06/kde-plasma-5-19-2-for-debian/
thanks to the upload of Qt 5.14 to unstable.
Feel free to try it out but report bugs to me and **not** the Debian BTS.
And don't break Debian :-D
Best
Norbert
In data domenica 28 giugno 2020 02:08:48 CEST, Jeremy Potter ha scritto:
> Norbert Preining (who is
> controversial for some reason?) had created a third-party repository with
> Plasma 5.18.
https://www.preining.info/blog/2020/06/waste-of-resources-bye-bye-debian-kde-team/
ps don't break Debian!
Hello everyone,
Debian Sid is still on Plasma 5.17, meanwhile 5.18 LTS and 5.19 have
already been released with 5.20 around the corner. I searched the mailing
lists and it seems like this was discussed a few months ago and the KDE
development team were working on a patch, and Norbert Preining
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