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gives him permission.
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of venue).
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In message 65986059fd940d55852a9fc4350fadd5.chere...@mccme.ru,
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Hi Anthony!
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:17:48 +, Anthony W. Youngman
deb...@thewolery.demon.co.uk wrote:
Or if they receive an UNALTERED copy from you! Because if you change
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Hi Anthony!
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Or if they receive an UNALTERED copy from you! Because if you change
, if not an unpermitted further restriction? While
this may be a legal grey area, it isn't a grey moral area - it's just
unacceptable.
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Andrew Dalke wrote:
On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
I can't be bothered to read the book, but if it's the book I think
it is, then I already have read it and came
copyright, it's proprietary.
proprietary == property. If it's copyright, it has an owner,
therefore it's property, therefore it's proprietary.
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On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:24 AM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
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I'm
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Well
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Hi Anthony!
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Well, the GPL does allow relicensing to newer versions of the GPL
, so
your choice of v3 does not constrain their right to choose.
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
(And you might guess I read groklaw avidly, where there's a lot of
emphasis on getting things right.)
Sorry, but I don't
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[...]
That's why, actually, given the choice of LGPL 2.1 or 3, much as I
haven't investigated 3 very much, I'll almost certainly
... but it was
written by a lawyer ...
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Hi Anthony!
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:44:35 +, Anthony W. Youngman
deb...@thewolery.demon.co.uk wrote:
Your recipients also get *my* grant, so any one of
them can say actually, I
the LGPL. And the recipient
of CDK can strip JUMBO/CML out of it and use it under the Artistic
licence as the author intended.
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-only because the licence of the work as a whole is
the subset of the individual licences - here v3 - but my code still
remains v2+.
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loosly above, talking about a work having a copyright. I
obviously mean that the authors or some other rights holder (such as in
the case of a work for hire) being granted a limited monopoly on
repdoucing the work, among other things.)
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Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
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From what you've said, I think the way forward is apparent. As you
surmise, accepting GPL v3
on top of the GPL rights (such as the link to OpenSSL right :-)
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(or
rather, owners) can change the licences, and that the project licence is
simply the largest proper subset of the individual licences, then your
way forward will be logically apparent. Whether you like that way or not
is neither here nor there.
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need to be compatible, in which case all the original copyright has been
lost, and the port is totally yours.
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licence.
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The Recipient may not change the name of the Licensed Program.
I've read Dmitrjs response, and it seems to me this should be covered by
a trademark licence. Explicitly split the copyright and trademark
grants, and you'll probably be fine.
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Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
In message 20090530071729.gh30...@matthew.ath.cx, Matthew Johnson
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On Sat May 30 00:21, Rafael Laboissiere wrote:
I would really like to distribute
like North Korea) lasts for a *minimum* of 50 calendar years
after creation.
You can't state the worst case and then assume it applies without
knowing anything about the author :-) You can state the probable best
case, and then assume it probably applies...
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
I was under the impression that the FSF thinks that if it's illegal to
link a program with GPL software and distribute that, it's also
/distributing/using GPL software
in violation of the GPL?
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no matter how
long ago is a problem there too - I think the stats say about 30% of
young adult brits now have a criminal record :-(
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the spirit makes enemies!).
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I reply to this separately, because it's quite off-topic and unrelated
to the problem at hand. I don't want to add noise to the wnpp log.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:37:22AM +0100, Anthony W. Youngman wrote
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Anthony W. Youngman deb...@thewolery.demon.co.uk writes:
Basically he should put there (c) Hubert and licence GPLv3+.
Small nit (and all in my layman's understanding): Copyright notices,
when they were
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[ Adding Hubert Figuiere (gnote upstream) to CC, note that he's probably not
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, but presumably no different
from (if I've got the right language) VHDL which is used to lay out a
printed circuit board. And both of them are in some cases written in
directly by their practitioners, and in other cases are generated by
program generators.
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, and the other stuff you don't hold the copyright for).
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however, the pdf has loads of embedded links etc ...
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given you the right to use it under a later licence.
But unless they gave you the right to CHANGE the licence (which I doubt)
then you don't have the right to take 1.1 away.
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What is the FLTK trying to achieve? The guarantee provided by the GPL is
that, as a recipient, you do not need to care what the licence is on the
individual bits. If ANY of it is GPL, you can safely behave *as* *if*
*all* of it is GPL, even if it isn't.
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holders may
be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to this document or its
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Do the copyright terms of things on iplayer
the copyright holder's wishes.
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Not the Debian position, but more the general Free Software attitude of
respect other peoples' copyrights ...
get-iplayer should implement
they are too trivial. replace if required.
I'm not sure how the Debian ftp-masters will take that, but if there
really is no other way of re-implementing it, then it truly is
unprotectable.
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On Tuesday 20 January 2009 12:49:28 pm Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
No it's not a problem at all. What IS the problem is that you are
telling me I should abide by American law, when I am not American, have
against foreign citizens, and
I think it insane of the Americans to try and enforce their laws against
me. At the end of the day, what I do, I do it IN ENGLAND, and in England
IT IS LEGAL. And in the absence of a contract, no British court will
apply foreign law.
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Stated a tad more fairly to those who have asked
somewhat
parochial (and ludicrous).
No offence to you, but it really doesn't go down well when Americans try
to enforce their standards (ludicrous, sensible or otherwise) on foreign
nations and nationals.
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* Anthony W. Youngman:
The GPL requires more than just source code. In particular, further
restrictions are not allowed. So having source code is not
sufficient for compliance.
Yes, but if I'm
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Is the interpreter interpreting source or pseudocode?
Pseudocode? Do you mean compiled code or bytecode?
I meant bytecode - along the lines of basic is interpreted code
trademark. They'd probably have lost on the grounds confusion was
unlikely, but they'd've had a case.)
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irrelevant.
And when the script is run, it is the end-user doing the linking, so the
GPL is irrelevant.
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. The GPL says you must
distribute the non-GPL code as if it were GPL, but you don't own that
code and can't change the licence. So you can't comply with both
licences at the same time, so you can't distribute.
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DISTRIBUTE.
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certain restrictions (namely you're not allowed to share just the
binaries).
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is a
collection of data. As such, it can't be copyrighted!
I'd agree with Arnoud. The licence on the data file won't affect the
program. But there's a good chance that the licence on the data file is
invalid ...
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v3 (or perhaps
GPL v3 or Later).
I know I'm being pedantic. But woolly thinking is behind most confusion
of licencing, and if people actually UNDERSTOOD what is going on, we
wouldn't have a lot of the licencing trouble we do ...
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), then it is compatible with any LGPL
library (any version).
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of the mix of licences, the only licence
that is valid for the combined work is v3.
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Sklyarov did what he did AT HOME IN RUSSIA. It was the company he worked
for that marketed it in America.
And Sklyarov who traveled to the US and (at the time) allegedly broke
licence, and probably wouldn't qualify for
distribution with Debian.
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, it might be clearer to say I fear that assertion or
I think that assertion.
You probably mean most native *American* speakers ...
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Are you saying that somebody has decided to give the US government the
right to rule the world?
No, but the US government has the right to enforce its laws
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This date is NOT arbitrary. It is AFTER this clause was first
discussed.
There are two reasons for this. Firstly, many jurisdictions implicitly
or explicitly
/slef
My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/
Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
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And as I see it, if I say My program is licenced under GPLv3 with
the following exceptions ..., if the user ignores the exception, they
have broken the terms I set for them to use the program
-licence
it under v3.
And how do we discriminate between GPL version 2 or later and GPL
version 3 or later?
I think you need to, though, because they ARE two DIFFERENT licencing
criteria, and you do NOT have the right to change them.
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flatly contradicts the
law of some other country, then people living in that country have to
ignore their own law and abide by American law instead !!!
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from doing this sort of thing - I'm not at all sure that clause would
actually have teeth in a court of law.
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to share the risk equally, if a distributor negotiates unequal
protection then it's a violation of v3.
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licence (good customer relations says you should say okay, I'll burn
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On Sunday 03 June 2007 14:46:12 Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
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That's wishful thinking, at best. Common knowledge defines fee as
something involving
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On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:33:12PM +0100, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
I'm in the UK, and if I wasn't but the choice of venue specified
England and Wales, I'd probably have a very nice holiday at the
copyright holder's expense
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I'm in the UK, and if I wasn't but the choice of venue
that the addition of this extra freedom applies to
all his code in Bacula, then anybody can add a copy of this statement
to COPYING.TXT and be covered.
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has the same rights
as the locals. So, as a USian, you can sue in the UK with exactly the
same rights as a UK subject would have. Which is why, if as a UKian I
want to sue in the US, I have to register my copyright with the Library
of Congress just like you have to do.
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clauses. In the UK, as a private person it
is pretty much automatic that if I'm sued, I get to specify venue.
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with a choice of venue clause
cannot be a pure licence.
Oh - and the GPL does NOT demand anything back, so there is no payment
*to* *the* *licensor*.
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description of linux. Linux is owned by a
proprietor, namely whoever (singular or plural) happens to own the
copyright(s).
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the winner if that was normal UK procedure.
(This situation normally arises when a defendant tries to settle, and in
the end a trial awards lesser damages than the defendant's offer to
settle. This has been known to bankrupt plaintiffs on occasion...)
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of a
printed manual/book significantly. Given that a typical O'Reilly sells
for between £20 and £40, adding a CD will also add about £5 tax to the
price (books are VAT-free, adding a CD makes the *entire* *package*
liable to 17.5% tax).
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is proprietary.
proprietary means has an owner (which ALL copyrighted works do). The
opposite of proprietary is Public Domain.
Thanks as always for all your feedback.
You're welcome :-)
Shriramana Sharma.
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keyboard produce a
copyright symbol?
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of the symbol and design a copy of
it using a computer, then as far as copyright law goes it is not a
derivative. It may be a breach of trademark...
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Does this make the package incompatible to DFSG?
No distributor with any sense would touch this with a bargepole. Your
grant of licence is self-contradictory, and as such it would not be wise
to rely on it...
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, but technical ambiguous. What character
encoding should be used?
The same encoding as the rest of the file.
And if that encoding is 7-bit ascii ???
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is granted by one
entity, and the restrictions imposed by a different one. I can't licence
my code as plus restrictions and mix it with pure GPL code by
someone else.
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are desperate to flaunt their gratis credentials, they'll back off
sharply!
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