On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Paul Jakma wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > Debian does, in /usr/share/doc/frr/copyright.
>
> That is not one of the files at issue.
That's in the binary package and source package that Debian distributes;
we don't distribute files sepa
future.
Best of luck.
1: https://lists.quagga.net/pipermail/quagga-users/2017-August/014815.html
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r/issues/1923 has the start of covering
some of this.
1: Or at least, we should be; if not, please file the bug so it can be
fixed.
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
> On 30/03/17 21:29, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > Precisely. It only has bearing on whether the system library
> > exception to derivative works applies.
>
> It should apply.
Why should it apply? GPLv2 is written to ma
software a derivative works one of the other.
Precisely. It only has bearing on whether the system library exception
to derivative works applies.
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2016, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 04:38:55PM -0600, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Mon, 07 Mar 2016, Peter Rice wrote:
> > > The conclusion was that scientific data (SwissProt, PDB, etc.) are
> > > scientific facts and it is not reaso
is non-free.
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1: https://wiki.servoy.com/display/DOCS/Open+Source+FAQ
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Ian Jackson wrote:
Don Armstrong writes (Re: Disclaimers in submitted patches):
There's no real difference between a message with a disclaimer, and
one without.
I think this depends on the text of the disclaimer (and perhaps on the
jurisdiction).
The main difference
the patch grants a license (or the patch cannot be covered by
copyright), then there's no problem.
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to discuss, please send them to
pate...@debian.org
See https://www.debian.org/legal/patent for more details.
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a license agreement it may help.
But I don't think this should hold up sponsoring or anything else this
late in the release; it's a minor/normal bug at best.
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to the Bing logo.] At the very least, I'd stick a note in
NEWS.Debian.gz.
Thanks again for working on making this software DFSG free.
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paper
or work is going to cite them anyway, so there's no need to require it.]
[2] http://sourceforge.net/p/openmps/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/gpl3-cite.txt
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is not the internet?
Right, the AGPL is not technology-neutral.
The AGPL just specifies computer network and network server. It says
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[2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452914
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.
In countries where this isn't the case,[1] then it may not, but Debian
has never claimed to be able to work around all countries broken legal
systems.
Beyond that, I'm afraid I'm unable to follow what you're asking for,
exactly.
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far more liberally licensed than the vast majority of proprietary
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with the FSF before adopting this kind
of additional restriction, but I rather doubt that they have. See
http://linuxgazette.net/159/misc/lg/sugarcrm_and_badgeware_licensing_again.html
and other similar articles about it.
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Clark C. Evans wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 01:37 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
An interactive user interface displays Appropriate Legal Notices
to the extent that it includes a convenient and prominently
visible feature that (1) displays an appropriate
free to produce a written offer.
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that Debian can possibly comply with the
compliance specification as written. [I only got as far as §2.3 to
find an obvious deal-breaker.]
This sounds like yet another case where an unbranded name[1] is
required for actual use in the community, ala iceweasel.
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1: wontgo came to mind
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Don Armstrong:
CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK
I think the FSF wants us not to be able to use the System Library
exception. It is only intended for proprietary operating systems.
It's intended for cases where you're
with the GPL. [There is eglibc running on the
solaris kernel, but the Solaris kernel doesn't maintain as tight of an
API as the linux kernel; it instead relies on libc to present that
API.]
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
This is something that should be worked out with the Ubuntu One
developers and/or Ubuntu people. So long as we and all of our
downstream have the ability to exercise the rights guaranteed by the
DFSG via a trademark grant (or probably even just e-mail
not necessary to expunge every last mention of ubuntu from packages.
In fact, upstream probably wants this package to be trivially
rebrandable given the number of ubuntu derivatives there are.
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), it should be redistributable in main. [Indeed, it may
even be the case for #564276 as well.]
Let me get an Ubuntu person to weigh in on this.
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; it should go in a readme or
somewhere else. [It doesn't affect the freeness of the license,
however.]
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feel
this is a hard requirement for main for non-programatic works.]
Well, because of the source requirement, CC probably is not
DFSG-free then?
No, it just means that there may be additional things that Debian
requires for a work to be in main beyond what the CC requires.
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which actually supports
running linux binaries.
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to remove or
make them clearly requests in future releases, I think that'd be
sufficient.
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tag 533555 patch
retitle 533555 Clauses 4-6 can be ignored by a new clause 8; clarify copyright
file
summary -1 533555
severity 533555 minor
thanks
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Don Armstrong wrote:
If the real maintainers can actually be contacted by mail and get a
binding response that clauses 4-6
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 03:43:53PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
It seems like AMD should really be distributing these header files
with a maximum permissive license like MIT/Expat or similar.
Perhaps someone should contact them and try to get
the function declarations in the cal.h header distributed with the
package.
It seems like AMD should really be distributing these header files
with a maximum permissive license like MIT/Expat or similar. Perhaps
someone should contact them and try to get it to happen?
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You really should be engaging your corporate counsel who should be
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to do with whether we distribute
them in main or people decide to build on them.
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1: I honestly don't even know *which* specific patents we're talking
about here; it's all awash in FUD.
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 11:18 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit :
Is there any hope of getting Leboutte to license this under CC without
the NC and ND clauses or retract his claims?
I don’t think so, but maybe an open source evangelist would have
clause by distributing a derived
version. I'm slightly concerned about this layout hanging around and
then a small company who uses it because it was distributed in Debian
being sued.
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think RMS is a bit on my side - after all he did write the
LGPL...
For libraries so that they would be widely used, not for general
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figure out whether that's the case in a specific instance.]
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote:
More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but
chooses not to do so.
If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the
work
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote:
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:
If we don't have the corresponding source, we can't satisfy the
GPL, so we cannot distribute (GPLv2 §4, GPLv3 §8).
Your argument, if it can be called that, assumes that the
requirements of the GPL, or any
.
I'd try asking again, since it's definetly not because of the 1,2,4
clause BSD license you've shown below.
[Though it may be from some fragment of code that isn't actually under
this license; you need to check the source code yourself to see if
that's the case.]
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the work to be DFSG free, using a license that is trivially understood
to be DFSG free is ideal.
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Ben Finney wrote:
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The key words here are what totally free means, and what use
means. If totally free means you have the freedom to do anything
you wish with these works then that's a different meaning entirely
than you don't
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Sean Kellogg wrote:
On Saturday 27 September 2008 05:54:02 pm Don Armstrong wrote:
The problem is that we're working off of a translation without any
information as to what the underlying words that were translated
actually mean. There's not a one-to-one mapping between
who could
actually litigate it would almost certainly buckle under community
pressure, and people who don't have the money to would likely settle
for releasing the source.]
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Ben Finney wrote:
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[Defining terms in the license grant] is a bad idea.
I should note that this is not just defining terms in the license
grant; it's either a null operation, or it adds a class things to
object code which
to that argument (or even future
arguments made) at all.
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satisfy the AGPL. We may have to go there
eventually, but without resolving the first questions, going there is
premature.
Please, help us all by working to address the first to questions in
the framework of the DFSG.
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
2008/9/3 Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
The AGPL requires access to source to occur at the time of use,
which is more difficult.
Why? You just have to put a link somewhere source
, but the second time can
be fatal.
So yes, the lawyers can come out and play immediately if they wish.
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. In this case, assuming that the license will
remain intact is the conservative position.
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1: Though obviously we should as good members of the FOSS community.
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2008/9/3 Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The GPL allows us to provide equivalent access to the source as we
do to the binaries,
And doesn't the AGPL too? Both the program and the source over the
network?
No, it requires distribution
the Corresponding Source, which
includes these components, which means that you may be exporting or
facilitating the exportation of cryptographic software.
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deciding we need to live with in order to obtain that class of
protection.]
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1: It basically mandates the usage of snapshot.debian.net to provide
links to the corresponding source of the version which is actually
being used. I've no doubt
(at least in the US).
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Francesco Poli wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:18 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
What I meant is that while GPL uses copyright to give people rights,
it does not restrict people beyond what copyright already imposes.
It's
it, though.
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actually know what terms we are able
to distribute the final work. A component of a work which is
unlicenced makes the entire work undistributable.
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that is new and
only available under GPL, to the extent that is possible.
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What else is sheet music but a storage form of notes, timings and
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I agrue that sheet music differs
they are examining.
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007, Jari Aalto wrote:
Should the WWW pages be relicensed using DFSG compatible licence?
Yes, this has been discussed, and is most likely going to happen.
However, it requires getting all contributors to agree, which will
require a heroic effort.
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-functional uses of the trademark.
Finally, the precise place where trademark rights stop is necessarily
a legal question; the place where we decide to compromise, a community
one.
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be
distributed from main? [It'd give us a starting point to figure out
the right questions to ask a lawyer.]
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this software. TBH I don't really understand
how to interpret this sentence.
Really depends on what the license agreement says; if we're lucky, it
allows us to use it and makes the patent not particularly usefull.
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Don Armstrong:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Don Armstrong:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
An email has been judged sufficient for many Debian packages, if it
unambiguously specifies all of the above, and is clearly
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Don Armstrong:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
An email has been judged sufficient for many Debian packages, if it
unambiguously specifies all of the above, and is clearly from the
copyright holder. Copy and paste into the 'debian
, along with
that message's 'date', 'from', 'message-id' fields.
Yeah; bonus points if the message is GPG signed by a key which is in
and multiply connected to strongly connected set.
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of this for us;
Dave Coffin would still be free to offer it under additional terms if
he so desired.
If you need help drafting the message, let me know.
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, either version 2 of the License, or (at your
option) any later version.
would do the trick.
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In any event, let me know if you need any assistance or clarification
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007, Anthony W. Youngman wrote:
Sklyarov did what he did AT HOME IN RUSSIA. It was the company he worked
for that marketed it in America.
And Sklyarov who
of the
anticircumvention clause of the DMCA notwithstanding.]
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the
maintainer's.
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designed for proprietary software.
There are a couple of these installations which are actually rather
amusing, as they show the GPL, and tell you that you can accept it or
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regardless.
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to include them
all and that people should look at the source to see.
[The main reason why people should go through all of the contributors
is so that they check that files under incorrect licences haven't
suddenly snuck in.]
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this clause to be in the position of resolving abiguities of
jurisdiction, or a defensive only jurisidiction clause. Either would
resolve my personal problems with the CDDL, and I believe would solve
the problems most -legal contributors have with the license.
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Don Armstrong
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Dropping non-free would set us back at least, what
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote:
Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote:
If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute
CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the
copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote:
On 03/06/07, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the maintainer (and the developers) recognized that users may need
or want such documentation, even though it does not meet the DFSG,
so the documentation was made available in non-free
:
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:29:08PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
Choice of venue clauses can short circuit the normal determination of
jurisdiction in civil cases in some jurisdictions in some cases.
Contracts and licenses in general short-circuit the normal
determination of rights under common
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:28:04AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
If the author of Star decides that the Debian maintainer has
incorrectly removed a copyright notice,[1] he could terminate the
license under 6.1,
[...]
Should someone be willing
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