Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence

2019-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Paul Jakma wrote: > On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, Don Armstrong wrote: > > Debian does, in /usr/share/doc/frr/copyright. > > That is not one of the files at issue. That's in the binary package and source package that Debian distributes; we don't distribute files sepa

Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence

2019-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
future. Best of luck. 1: https://lists.quagga.net/pipermail/quagga-users/2017-August/014815.html -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com life's not a paragraph And death i think is no parenthesis -- e.e. cummings "Four VII" _is 5_

Re: FRR package in Debian violates the GPL licence

2019-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
r/issues/1923 has the start of covering some of this. 1: Or at least, we should be; if not, please file the bug so it can be fixed. -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com The game of science is, in principle, without end. He who decides one day that scientific statements

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > On 30/03/17 21:29, Don Armstrong wrote: > > Precisely. It only has bearing on whether the system library > > exception to derivative works applies. > > It should apply. Why should it apply? GPLv2 is written to ma

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-30 Thread Don Armstrong
software a derivative works one of the other. Precisely. It only has bearing on whether the system library exception to derivative works applies. -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com The computer allows you to make mistakes faster than any other invention, with the

Re: System libraries and the GPLv2

2017-03-30 Thread Don Armstrong
GPL if one ever happens. Or at least appoint a proxy who can decide whether later license revisions meet your standards. -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p251

Re: Can "PDB" license be considered free ?

2016-03-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 08 Mar 2016, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 04:38:55PM -0600, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Mon, 07 Mar 2016, Peter Rice wrote: > > > The conclusion was that scientific data (SwissProt, PDB, etc.) are > > > scientific facts and it is not reaso

Re: Free as in speech, but not as in beer

2015-03-31 Thread Don Armstrong
is non-free. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has come. -- Tussman's Law -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Free as in speech, but not as in beer

2015-03-24 Thread Don Armstrong
, which isn't on topic for debian-legal. 1: https://wiki.servoy.com/display/DOCS/Open+Source+FAQ -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -- Steven Wright -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: Disclaimers in submitted patches

2015-02-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Ian Jackson wrote: Don Armstrong writes (Re: Disclaimers in submitted patches): There's no real difference between a message with a disclaimer, and one without. I think this depends on the text of the disclaimer (and perhaps on the jurisdiction). The main difference

Re: Disclaimers in submitted patches

2015-02-15 Thread Don Armstrong
the patch grants a license (or the patch cannot be covered by copyright), then there's no problem. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com No amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free [...] You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#769716: iceweasel: downloads Cisco's OpenH264 video codec

2014-11-30 Thread Don Armstrong
to discuss, please send them to pate...@debian.org See https://www.debian.org/legal/patent for more details. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com A one-question geek test. If you get the joke, you're a geek: Seen on a California license plate on a VW Beetle: 'FEATURE

Re: jmapviewer: Download bing logo via attribution XML at runtime?

2014-10-21 Thread Don Armstrong
a license agreement it may help. But I don't think this should hold up sponsoring or anything else this late in the release; it's a minor/normal bug at best. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Leukocyte... I am your father. -- R. Stevens http://www.dieselsweeties.com

Re: jmapviewer: Download bing logo via attribution XML at runtime?

2014-10-20 Thread Don Armstrong
to the Bing logo.] At the very least, I'd stick a note in NEWS.Debian.gz. Thanks again for working on making this software DFSG free. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. -- Mohandas Karamchand

Re: Citation requirements

2014-10-11 Thread Don Armstrong
paper or work is going to cite them anyway, so there's no need to require it.] [2] http://sourceforge.net/p/openmps/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/gpl3-cite.txt -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Information wants to be free to kill again. -- Red Robot http

Re: Ghostscript licensing changed to AGPL

2014-05-08 Thread Don Armstrong
is not the internet? Right, the AGPL is not technology-neutral. The AGPL just specifies computer network and network server. It says nothing about the internet at all. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Because, Fee-5 explained patiently, I was born in the fifth row. Any

Bug#705152: Non-free code in xgraph? [copyright.h and derivative.c for starters.]

2013-04-10 Thread Don Armstrong
/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/licenses/as-is?view=markup [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452914 Don Armstrong -- Tell me something interesting about yourself. Lie if you have to. -- hugh macleod http://www.gapingvoid.com/archives/batch20.php http://www.donarmstrong.com http

Re: Public Domain again

2013-01-31 Thread Don Armstrong
. In countries where this isn't the case,[1] then it may not, but Debian has never claimed to be able to work around all countries broken legal systems. Beyond that, I'm afraid I'm unable to follow what you're asking for, exactly. Don Armstrong -- Some pirates achieved immortality by great deeds of cruelty

Re: Ethics/morals issue

2012-11-25 Thread Don Armstrong
that the software we distribute is in general far more liberally licensed than the vast majority of proprietary software. Don Armstrong -- That is why I am still tyrant of [Ankh-Morpork]. The way to retain power, I have always thought, is to ensure the absolute unthinkability of oneself not being

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Don Armstrong
on with proper licensing terms. Don Armstrong -- Where I sleep at night, is this important compared to what I read during the day? What do you think defines me? Where I slept or what I did all day? -- Thomas Van Orden of Van Orden v. Perry http://www.donarmstrong.com http

Re: Thoughts on GPL's Appropriate Legal Notices? or the CPAL?

2011-12-14 Thread Don Armstrong
with the FSF before adopting this kind of additional restriction, but I rather doubt that they have. See http://linuxgazette.net/159/misc/lg/sugarcrm_and_badgeware_licensing_again.html and other similar articles about it. Don Armstrong -- Clint why the hell does kernel-source-2.6.3 depend

Re: Thoughts on GPL's Appropriate Legal Notices? or the CPAL?

2011-12-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Clark C. Evans wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011, at 01:37 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: An interactive user interface displays Appropriate Legal Notices to the extent that it includes a convenient and prominently visible feature that (1) displays an appropriate

Re: Lawyer request stop from downloading Debian

2011-04-28 Thread Don Armstrong
free to produce a written offer. Don Armstrong -- One day I put instant coffee in my microwave oven and almost went back in time. -- Steven Wright http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
of a program. Don Armstrong -- Leukocyte... I am your father. -- R. Stevens http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive.php?s=1546 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: MS-PL LGPL

2010-12-20 Thread Don Armstrong
probably help; I personally haven't read the MS-PL, and have no idea what it's about. Don Armstrong -- I learned really early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something -- Richard Feynman What is Science Phys. Teach. 7(6) 1969 http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: Packaging the MeeGo stack on Debian - Use the name ?

2010-12-10 Thread Don Armstrong
that Debian can possibly comply with the compliance specification as written. [I only got as far as §2.3 to find an obvious deal-breaker.] This sounds like yet another case where an unbranded name[1] is required for actual use in the community, ala iceweasel. Don Armstrong 1: wontgo came to mind

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK I think the FSF wants us not to be able to use the System Library exception. It is only intended for proprietary operating systems. It's intended for cases where you're

CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
with the GPL. [There is eglibc running on the solaris kernel, but the Solaris kernel doesn't maintain as tight of an API as the linux kernel; it instead relies on libc to present that API.] Don Armstrong -- Who is thinking this? I am. -- Greg Egan _Diaspora_ p38 http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: Ubuntu trademark non-free?

2010-08-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Don Armstrong wrote: This is something that should be worked out with the Ubuntu One developers and/or Ubuntu people. So long as we and all of our downstream have the ability to exercise the rights guaranteed by the DFSG via a trademark grant (or probably even just e-mail

Re: Ubuntu trademark non-free?

2010-08-10 Thread Don Armstrong
not necessary to expunge every last mention of ubuntu from packages. In fact, upstream probably wants this package to be trivially rebrandable given the number of ubuntu derivatives there are. Don Armstrong -- Rule 30: A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go

Re: Ubuntu trademark non-free?

2010-08-10 Thread Don Armstrong
), it should be redistributable in main. [Indeed, it may even be the case for #564276 as well.] Let me get an Ubuntu person to weigh in on this. Don Armstrong -- Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. -- Mark Twain http://www.donarmstrong.com http

Re: Please review Julius's license (custom license with publicity clause)

2010-07-17 Thread Don Armstrong
; it should go in a readme or somewhere else. [It doesn't affect the freeness of the license, however.] Don Armstrong -- [A] theory is falsifiable [(and therefore scientific) only] if the class of its potential falsifiers is not empty. -- Sir Karl Popper _The Logic of Scientific Discovery_ §21

Re: Distribution of media content together with GPLv2 code in one package?

2010-04-04 Thread Don Armstrong
feel this is a hard requirement for main for non-programatic works.] Well, because of the source requirement, CC probably is not DFSG-free then? No, it just means that there may be additional things that Debian requires for a work to be in main beyond what the CC requires. Don Armstrong

Re: Distributing Debian derivative

2010-03-22 Thread Don Armstrong
which actually supports running linux binaries. Don Armstrong -- Love is... a complex sequence of neurochemical reactions that makes people behave like idiots. It's similar to intoxication, but the hangover's even worse. -- J. Jacques _Questionable Content_ #1039 http

Re: Joke non-free clauses?

2010-02-24 Thread Don Armstrong
to remove or make them clearly requests in future releases, I think that'd be sufficient. Don Armstrong -- Our days are precious, but we gladly see them going If in their place we find a thing more precious growing A rare, exotic plant, our gardener's heart delighting A child whom we

Re: Joke non-free clauses?

2010-02-24 Thread Don Armstrong
tag 533555 patch retitle 533555 Clauses 4-6 can be ignored by a new clause 8; clarify copyright file summary -1 533555 severity 533555 minor thanks On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Don Armstrong wrote: If the real maintainers can actually be contacted by mail and get a binding response that clauses 4-6

Re: BOINC: lib/cal.h license issue agree with the DFSG?

2010-01-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 03:43:53PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: It seems like AMD should really be distributing these header files with a maximum permissive license like MIT/Expat or similar. Perhaps someone should contact them and try to get

Re: BOINC: lib/cal.h license issue agree with the DFSG?

2010-01-02 Thread Don Armstrong
the function declarations in the cal.h header distributed with the package. It seems like AMD should really be distributing these header files with a maximum permissive license like MIT/Expat or similar. Perhaps someone should contact them and try to get it to happen? Don Armstrong -- Judge

Re: bsd modified bsd clarification

2009-11-05 Thread Don Armstrong
should do. Don Armstrong -- The smallest quantity of bread that can be sliced and toasted has yet to be experimentally determined. In the quantum limit we must necessarily encounter fundamental toast particles which the author will unflinchingly designate here as croutons. -- Cser, Jim

Re: [non-free] Packaging a closed-source application with limited distribution access

2009-09-14 Thread Don Armstrong
required for upload initially. Don Armstrong -- Fate and Temperament are two words for one and the same concept. -- Novalis [Hermann Hesse _Demian_] http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: private packages

2009-09-10 Thread Don Armstrong
of everything that you distribute. You really should be engaging your corporate counsel who should be able to work out (and explain) the rest of these issues for you. Don Armstrong -- Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has come. -- Tussman's Law http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: Mono License changes over time and the risks this is presenting.

2009-07-06 Thread Don Armstrong
to do with whether we distribute them in main or people decide to build on them. Don Armstrong 1: I honestly don't even know *which* specific patents we're talking about here; it's all awash in FUD. -- Quite the contrary; they *love* collateral damage. If they can make you miserable enough

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 11:18 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : Is there any hope of getting Leboutte to license this under CC without the NC and ND clauses or retract his claims? I don’t think so, but maybe an open source evangelist would have

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
clause by distributing a derived version. I'm slightly concerned about this layout hanging around and then a small company who uses it because it was distributed in Debian being sued. Don Armstrong -- The sheer ponderousness of the panel's opinion [...] refutes its thesis far more convincingly than

Re: Which license am I looking for?

2009-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
, though, that's it's almost comedic. Don Armstrong -- I was thinking seven figures, he said, but I would have taken a hundred grand. I'm not a greedy person. [All for a moldy bottle of tropicana.] -- Sammi Hadzovic [in Andy Newman's 2003/02/14 NYT article.] http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/14

Re: Which license am I looking for?

2009-01-18 Thread Don Armstrong
think RMS is a bit on my side - after all he did write the LGPL... For libraries so that they would be widely used, not for general copyleft usage. Don Armstrong -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities. -- W. Churchill

Re: Using NASA Imagery

2009-01-17 Thread Don Armstrong
to figure out whether that's the case in a specific instance.] Don Armstrong -- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
is correct.] Don Armstrong -- If you find it impossible to believe that the universe didn't have a creator, why don't you find it impossible that your creator didn't have one either? -- Anonymous Coward http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167556cid=13970629 http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the work

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: If we don't have the corresponding source, we can't satisfy the GPL, so we cannot distribute (GPLv2 §4, GPLv3 §8). Your argument, if it can be called that, assumes that the requirements of the GPL, or any

Re: Non free license?

2008-12-20 Thread Don Armstrong
. I'd try asking again, since it's definetly not because of the 1,2,4 clause BSD license you've shown below. [Though it may be from some fragment of code that isn't actually under this license; you need to check the source code yourself to see if that's the case.] Don Armstrong -- I'm wrong

Re: independent.nu - DFSG compatible?

2008-09-27 Thread Don Armstrong
of that said and done, if the copyright holder actually means for the work to be DFSG free, using a license that is trivially understood to be DFSG free is ideal. Don Armstrong -- Of course, there are cases where only a rare individual will have the vision to perceive a system which governs many people's

Re: independent.nu - DFSG compatible?

2008-09-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Ben Finney wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The key words here are what totally free means, and what use means. If totally free means you have the freedom to do anything you wish with these works then that's a different meaning entirely than you don't

Re: independent.nu - DFSG compatible?

2008-09-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Sean Kellogg wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2008 05:54:02 pm Don Armstrong wrote: The problem is that we're working off of a translation without any information as to what the underlying words that were translated actually mean. There's not a one-to-one mapping between

Re: Alternatives to Creative Commons

2008-09-25 Thread Don Armstrong
who could actually litigate it would almost certainly buckle under community pressure, and people who don't have the money to would likely settle for releasing the source.] Don Armstrong -- N: Why should I believe that? B: Because it's a fact. N: Fact? B: F, A, C, T... fact N: So you're saying

Re: Alternatives to Creative Commons

2008-09-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Ben Finney wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Defining terms in the license grant] is a bad idea. I should note that this is not just defining terms in the license grant; it's either a null operation, or it adds a class things to object code which

Re: Alternatives to Creative Commons

2008-09-18 Thread Don Armstrong
to that argument (or even future arguments made) at all. Don Armstrong -- America was far better suited to be the World's Movie Star. The world's tequila-addled pro-league bowler. The world's acerbic bi-polar stand-up comedian. Anything but a somber and tedious nation of socially responsible

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
satisfy the AGPL. We may have to go there eventually, but without resolving the first questions, going there is premature. Please, help us all by working to address the first to questions in the framework of the DFSG. Don Armstrong -- CNN/Reuters: News reports have filtered out early this morning

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: 2008/9/3 Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: The AGPL requires access to source to occur at the time of use, which is more difficult. Why? You just have to put a link somewhere source

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Don Armstrong
, but the second time can be fatal. So yes, the lawyers can come out and play immediately if they wish. Don Armstrong -- I leave the show floor, but not before a pack of caffeinated Jolt gum is thrust at me by a hyperactive girl screaming, Chew more! Do more! The American will to consume more

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
. In this case, assuming that the license will remain intact is the conservative position. Don Armstrong -- G: If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do? EB: Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area. -- Somewhere in No Man's Land

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
.] Don Armstrong 1: Though obviously we should as good members of the FOSS community. -- Some pirates achieved immortality by great deeds of cruelty or derring-do. Some achieved immortality by amassing great wealth. But the captain had long ago decided that he would, on the whole, prefer

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: 2008/9/3 Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The GPL allows us to provide equivalent access to the source as we do to the binaries, And doesn't the AGPL too? Both the program and the source over the network? No, it requires distribution

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
the Corresponding Source, which includes these components, which means that you may be exporting or facilitating the exportation of cryptographic software. Don Armstrong -- He no longer wished to be dead. At the same time, it cannot be said that he was glad to be alive. But at least he did

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
it comes to distribution within Debian. Don Armstrong -- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. -- Douglas Adams _The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul_ http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
, but there are still issues, some of which we may end up deciding we need to live with in order to obtain that class of protection.] Don Armstrong 1: It basically mandates the usage of snapshot.debian.net to provide links to the corresponding source of the version which is actually being used. I've no doubt

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
(at least in the US). Don Armstrong -- Build a fire for a man, an he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. -- Jules Bean http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Francesco Poli wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:18 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Bernhard R. Link wrote: What I meant is that while GPL uses copyright to give people rights, it does not restrict people beyond what copyright already imposes. It's

Re: [Fwd: Memo on video game thumbnails]

2008-08-08 Thread Don Armstrong
it, though. Don Armstrong -- It was said that life was cheap in Ankh-Morpork. This was, of course, completely wrong. Life was often very expensive; you could get death for free. -- Terry Pratchet _Pyramids_ p25 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: DEP licenses

2008-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
) are to be used. --- Don Armstrong -- DIE! -- Maritza Campos http://www.crfh.net/d/20020601.html http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: NagiosQL License

2008-03-31 Thread Don Armstrong
Willisegger/; it's perfectly acceptable for main. Don Armstrong -- There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Questions about liblouis

2008-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
seem to be a reason to impose any additional restrictions beyond what the GPL imposes. Don Armstrong -- You have many years to live--do things you will be proud to remember when you are old. -- Shinka proverb. (John Brunner _Stand On Zanzibar_ p413) http://www.donarmstrong.com http

Re: logwatch: list of copyright holders

2008-02-21 Thread Don Armstrong
actually know what terms we are able to distribute the final work. A component of a work which is unlicenced makes the entire work undistributable. Don Armstrong -- Frankly, if ignoring inane opinions and noisy people and not flaming them to crisp is bad behaviour, I have not yet achieved a state

Re: logwatch: list of copyright holders

2008-02-21 Thread Don Armstrong
an informed decision as to whether to include it in the archive or use it themselves. Don Armstrong -- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. -- Edmund Burke Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discoontents

Re: New program based on 2 differently-licensed previous ones

2008-02-17 Thread Don Armstrong
that is new and only available under GPL, to the extent that is possible. Don Armstrong -- Your village called. They want their idiot back. -- xkcd http://xkcd.com/c23.html http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

ms-sys contains MBRs which are copyrighted by Microsoft

2008-02-13 Thread Don Armstrong
is taken as an interim measure until it can be rectified. Don Armstrong -- I shall require that [a scientific system's] logical form shall be such that it can be singled out, by means of emperical tests, in a negative sense: it must be possible for an emperical scientific system to be refuted

Re: patents on Frets on Fire, Pydance, StepMania and such games

2008-01-19 Thread Don Armstrong
[Going wildly OT for fun; further messages will be sent individually.] On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Joe Smith wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What else is sheet music but a storage form of notes, timings and durations? I agrue that sheet music differs

Re: patents on Frets on Fire, Pydance, StepMania and such games

2008-01-18 Thread Don Armstrong
they are examining. Don Armstrong -- A Democracy lead by politicians and political parties, fails. http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: patents on Frets on Fire, Pydance, StepMania and such games

2008-01-18 Thread Don Armstrong
I've seen.] Don Armstrong -- Where I sleep at night, is this important compared to what I read during the day? What do you think defines me? Where I slept or what I did all day? -- Thomas Van Orden of Van Orden v. Perry http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu

Re: Debian WWW use OPL - which is declared non-DFSG free?

2007-09-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007, Jari Aalto wrote: Should the WWW pages be relicensed using DFSG compatible licence? Yes, this has been discussed, and is most likely going to happen. However, it requires getting all contributors to agree, which will require a heroic effort. Don Armstrong -- A Democracy

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
-functional uses of the trademark. Finally, the precise place where trademark rights stop is necessarily a legal question; the place where we decide to compromise, a community one. Don Armstrong -- As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances

Re: Exporting Issues related with US laws

2007-08-20 Thread Don Armstrong
be distributed from main? [It'd give us a starting point to figure out the right questions to ask a lawyer.] Don Armstrong -- The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually

Re: Question about patent notice in copyright header of package exempi

2007-08-15 Thread Don Armstrong
this software. TBH I don't really understand how to interpret this sentence. Really depends on what the license agreement says; if we're lucky, it allows us to use it and makes the patent not particularly usefull. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications

Re: LiDIA's statement of GPL only in mailing list archives

2007-07-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007, Ben Finney wrote: An email has been judged sufficient for many Debian packages, if it unambiguously specifies all of the above, and is clearly

Re: LiDIA's statement of GPL only in mailing list archives

2007-07-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007, Ben Finney wrote: An email has been judged sufficient for many Debian packages, if it unambiguously specifies all of the above, and is clearly from the copyright holder. Copy and paste into the 'debian

Re: LiDIA's statement of GPL only in mailing list archives

2007-07-07 Thread Don Armstrong
, along with that message's 'date', 'from', 'message-id' fields. Yeah; bonus points if the message is GPG signed by a key which is in and multiply connected to strongly connected set. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough

Bug#431883: dcraw license does not give permission to distribute modified versions or source alongside

2007-07-06 Thread Don Armstrong
of this for us; Dave Coffin would still be free to offer it under additional terms if he so desired. If you need help drafting the message, let me know. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p244 http

Bug#431883: dcraw license does not give permission to distribute modified versions or source alongside

2007-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
, either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. would do the trick. Don Armstrong -- If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -- Steven Wright http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#431883: dcraw license does not give permission to distribute modified versions or source alongside

2007-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
was about. In any event, let me know if you need any assistance or clarification in your communication with Dave. Don Armstrong -- Filing a bug is probably not going to get it fixed any faster. -- Anthony Towns http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 03 Jul 2007, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Sklyarov did what he did AT HOME IN RUSSIA. It was the company he worked for that marketed it in America. And Sklyarov who

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Don Armstrong
of the anticircumvention clause of the DMCA notwithstanding.] Don Armstrong -- It's not Hollywood. War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or victory, it is about death. I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies. Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject? -- Robert Fisk

Re: Redistribution of graphics that includes Gentoo logo

2007-07-01 Thread Don Armstrong
the maintainer's. Don Armstrong -- PowerPoint is symptomatic of a certain type of bureaucratic environment: one typified by interminable presentations with lots of fussy little bullet-points and flashy dissolves and soundtracks masked into the background, to try to convince the audience

Re: Clickthrough for GPL

2007-06-28 Thread Don Armstrong
default settings designed for proprietary software. There are a couple of these installations which are actually rather amusing, as they show the GPL, and tell you that you can accept it or not at your option, explaining that running the program is free regardless. Don Armstrong -- Herodotus

Re: legal question to a new package

2007-06-08 Thread Don Armstrong
to include them all and that people should look at the source to see. [The main reason why people should go through all of the contributors is so that they check that files under incorrect licences haven't suddenly snuck in.] Don Armstrong -- Miracles had become relative common-places since

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-05 Thread Don Armstrong
this clause to be in the position of resolving abiguities of jurisdiction, or a defensive only jurisidiction clause. Either would resolve my personal problems with the CDDL, and I believe would solve the problems most -legal contributors have with the license. Don Armstrong -- Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
the parties to a contract are free to designate a court to rule on any disputes even though that court might not have had jurisdiction on the basis of the factors objectively connecting the contract with a particular place. Don Armstrong -- Dropping non-free would set us back at least, what

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licences

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote: On 03/06/07, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the maintainer (and the developers) recognized that users may need or want such documentation, even though it does not meet the DFSG, so the documentation was made available in non-free

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
: On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:29:08PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Choice of venue clauses can short circuit the normal determination of jurisdiction in civil cases in some jurisdictions in some cases. Contracts and licenses in general short-circuit the normal determination of rights under common

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:28:04AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: If the author of Star decides that the Debian maintainer has incorrectly removed a copyright notice,[1] he could terminate the license under 6.1, [...] Should someone be willing

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