Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
? Followups set.) [1] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]#1/1 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc/msg/0946381c11c31f74 -- G. Branden Robinson| The Bible is probably the most Debian GNU/Linux | genocidal book ever written. [EMAIL

Re: Copyright question (BSD with advertisement clause)

2008-02-07 Thread Branden Robinson
[You didn't honor my M-F-T so I guess this will continue to go to both lists.] On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:29:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe your reasoning is faulty, because it is based on incomplete information. There was more than

Daniel Wallace case vs. FSF thrown out, ordered to pay costs

2006-03-21 Thread Branden Robinson
Courtesy of Groklaw: Daniel Wallace's suit against the FSF was dismissed and he has been ordered to pay the FSF's court costs. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060320201540127 Just thought I'd bring a ray of sunshine into Alexander Terekhov's day. -- G. Branden Robinson

the FSF's GPLv3 launch conference

2006-01-05 Thread Branden Robinson / Debian Project Leader
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Re: Linuxsampler license

2005-09-20 Thread Branden Robinson
.html [2] http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/lu-13.html [3] http://gpl-violations.org/news/20050414-fortinet-injunction.html -- G. Branden Robinson|Build a fire for a man, and he'll Debian GNU/Linux |be warm for a day. Set a man on [EMAIL

Re: Draft summary of Creative Commons 2.0 licenses (version 3)

2005-03-24 Thread Branden Robinson
respectful of the upstream promulgators of the licenses, is a good reflection on debian-legal and by extension the entire project. Good work. Don't let the -legal haters get you down. -- G. Branden Robinson| Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux

anonymity and copyright in the U.S. (was: Need to Identify Contributions and the Dissident Test)

2005-01-31 Thread Branden Robinson
is a money machine. I find it hard to believe he'd have published under a pen name if to do so would have meant exposing himself to claims of fraudulent copyright. For a more recent example, see the novel _Primary Colors_[1]. [1] http://www.bearcave.com/bookrev/primary_colors.htm -- G. Branden

a right to privacy is not in the DFSG, therfore you don't have one

2005-01-31 Thread Branden Robinson
important to us than freedom? [1] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/signify -- G. Branden Robinson| A fundamentalist is someone who Debian GNU/Linux | hates sin more than he loves [EMAIL PROTECTED] | virtue. http://people.debian.org

Re: Request for IPR review

2005-01-11 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 12:28:05PM -0500, Mark Johnson wrote: Quoting Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 03:38:01PM -0500, Mark Johnson wrote: I've been asked to get some sort of review from the free software world of the new OASIS[1] IPR draft. I tried

Re: Bug#248853: 3270: 5250 emulation code, all rights reserved

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
are registered by the code. I'm not sure this is copyrightable. -- G. Branden Robinson| Good judgement comes from Debian GNU/Linux | experience; experience comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] | bad judgement. http://people.debian.org

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:19:33PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-12 02:46]: IMO it would have helped if a Debian license arbitration body had been formally delegated by the DPL, but as we all know, that didn't happen

Re: Draft summary of Creative Commons 2.0 licenses (version 2)

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
of the summary). What is required to move forward on this? Do we *need* to move forward on this? [1] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G. Branden Robinson| I'm a firm believer in not drawing Debian GNU/Linux | trend lines before you have data [EMAIL

Bug#287089: shermans-aquarium: contains non-free or undistributable images

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
Package: shermans-aquarium Version: 2.2.0-1 Severity: serious Justification: violates section 2.2.1 of Debian Policy As noted on debian-legal on 20 August by Nathanael Nerode, shermans-aquarium appears to contain non-DFSG-free images files. It is unclear to me whether these files are even

Bug#287090: kaquarium: copyright file does not mention apparently unlicensed image files

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
Package: kaquarium Version: 1.0-beta-3 Severity: serious Justification: violation of Debian Policy 2.2.1 As noted on debian-legal on 20 August by Nathanael Nerode, kaquarium appears to contain non-DFSG-free images files (some of the same ones as shermans-aquarium). It is unclear to me whether

Re: License for VCP

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
enforced software patents We don't generally seek affirmative evidence that these are the case before accepting something into main. We simply may decide to remove a package from main if either of them prove to be false. -- G. Branden Robinson|Any man who does not realize

Re: Request for IPR review

2004-12-24 Thread Branden Robinson
in reviewing the document please contact me? I'll send you the document for a quick review. Did anyone get in touch with you about this? -- G. Branden Robinson|It may be difficult to to determine Debian GNU/Linux |where religious beliefs end and [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: AbiWord, trademarks, and DFSG-freeness

2004-10-25 Thread Branden Robinson
, or with the USPTO in the case of trademarks. -- G. Branden Robinson| Men are born ignorant, not stupid. Debian GNU/Linux | They are made stupid by education. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Bertrand Russell http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: Fwd: figlet license change from Artistic to Clarified Artistic or Artistic 2.0?

2004-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 10:57:44AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: I suspect Larry Rosen's work was part of the motive for Branden proposing the contract/ autocrat test for licences. You're not wrong, but as you imply, he's far from the only offender. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: AbiWord, trademarks, and DFSG-freeness

2004-10-21 Thread Branden Robinson
AbiWord ??? Are you trying to make a point about case, or did you mean something else entirely? I have long asserted that there is a distinction between work titles and things like package names and filenames. Do you disagree? -- G. Branden Robinson|For every credibility gap

AbiWord, trademarks, and DFSG-freeness

2004-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode15/usc_sup_01_15_10_22.html -- G. Branden Robinson| I'm not going to waste my precious Debian GNU/Linux | flash memory with Perl when I can [EMAIL PROTECTED] | do so much more with it. http://people.debian.org

Re: the meaning of 'the same terms in DFSG 3, and why the QPL fails it (was: An old question of EGE's)

2004-08-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 07:36:47PM +0100, Andrew Saunders wrote: On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:08:39 -0500, Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 10:41:24AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: However, if you really want to know how DFSG 3 was intended then you must

Re: W3 software license

2004-08-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:33:26AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 05:36:29PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Branden Robinson: Josh Triplett: The license looks OK to me, with the possible exception that it says obtaining, using and/or copying

Re: the meaning of 'the same terms in DFSG 3, and why the QPL fails it (was: An old question of EGE's)

2004-08-23 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 02:59:17AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 07:36:47PM +0100, Andrew Saunders wrote: What brought about this change of heart? [...] Historical context can be persuasive, but it is not dispositive. Oh yeah, and lest you think you've caught me out

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-23 Thread Branden Robinson
to on-topic threads, sadly. [1] http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/ -- G. Branden Robinson|Beware of and eschew pompous Debian GNU/Linux |prolixity. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Charles A. Beardsley http://people.debian.org

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
we have declaring licenses whose terms we don't understand as DFSG-free. -- G. Branden Robinson| The Rehnquist Court has never Debian GNU/Linux | encountered a criminal statute it [EMAIL PROTECTED] | did not like. http

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
? Is this sort of remark intended to be productive, or are you just venting your spleen because you don't appear to have actually comprehended the message you cite? -- G. Branden Robinson|Those who fail to remember the laws Debian GNU/Linux |of science are condemned

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
not mean the licensor or copyright holder does so, and in fact we were unable to determine what the licensor/copyright holder's interpretation was. [1] http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php -- G. Branden Robinson| It just seems to me that you are Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
in light of what we know now about the original licensing of the X autoconfig code? -- G. Branden Robinson|If you make people think they're Debian GNU/Linux |thinking, they'll love you; but if [EMAIL PROTECTED] |you really make them

Re: acceptable copyright?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
reading comprehension skills. They need to feel important, too. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson|It's like I have a shotgun in my Debian GNU/Linux |mouth, I've got my finger on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] |trigger, and I like the taste of http

Re: W3 software license

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
a given copyright. A license is a license, not a contract. IMO it would be best to at least contact the upstream authors and make this request. -- G. Branden Robinson| Our ignorance is God; what we Debian GNU/Linux | know is science. [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Quick(?) Questions on Choice of Law Venue

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
* as dire as you paint. Sickeningly there's plenty of precedent for this second scenario. Stay away from the US; they have delusions of imperialism. s/delusions/ambitions/ See: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html -- G. Branden Robinson|Half

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
.html -- G. Branden Robinson| The more ridiculous a belief Debian GNU/Linux | system, the higher the probability [EMAIL PROTECTED] | of its success. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Wayne R. Bartz signature.asc Description

Re: Suggestions of David Nusinow, was: RPSL and DFSG-compliance - choice of venue

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
and thought of as immature brats by their peers. -- G. Branden Robinson|It's extremely difficult to govern Debian GNU/Linux |when you control all three branches [EMAIL PROTECTED] |of government. http://people.debian.org/~branden

Re: Suggestions of David Nusinow, was: RPSL and DFSG-compliance - choice of venue

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml [3] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/05/msg00235.html -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | // // // / / [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Please pass judgement on X-Oz licence: free or nay?

2004-08-08 Thread Branden Robinson
[self-followup] On Sun, Aug 08, 2004 at 06:09:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: It is, however, worth noting that many subtle variations of the MIT/X11 license exist. That the traditional MIT/X11 license is (by general consensus, I daresay) DFSG-free, that any license derived from

Re: question: Mozilla relicensing progress

2004-08-02 Thread Branden Robinson
like to be pulled over by the police for having the wrong skin color. On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 03:56:25PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Mr. Markham, First of all, my apologies for sending this unsolicited mail. I'm a developer for the Debian Project[1], and in the course of a recent discussion

Re: the meaning of 'the same terms in DFSG 3, and why the QPL fails it (was: An old question of EGE's)

2004-08-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 10:41:47PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFSG 3 was intended to forbid licensors from placing themselves in a specially advantaged position. If not, why doesn't DSFG 3 simply say: The license must allow modifications

Re: the meaning of 'the same terms in DFSG 3, and why the QPL fails it (was: An old question of EGE's)

2004-08-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 10:41:24AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: DFSG 3 was intended to forbid licensors from placing themselves in a specially advantaged position. If not, why doesn't DSFG 3 simply say: The license must allow modifications

Re: RPSL and DFSG-compliance

2004-08-02 Thread Branden Robinson
specific examples of a policy violation and horrendous bug, all have been seen in practice. -- G. Branden Robinson| To stay young requires unceasing Debian GNU/Linux | cultivation of the ability to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | unlearn

Re: [htdig-dev] Licensing issues...

2004-08-02 Thread Branden Robinson
by a particular licensor on a particular work is almost always the most important evaluation that Debian has to make. For further reading: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17409 http://lwn.net/Articles/95006/ -- G. Branden Robinson|It's like I have a shotgun in my Debian GNU

Re: [htdig-dev] Licensing issues...

2004-08-02 Thread Branden Robinson
[self-reply] On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 01:59:59PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: That the FSF regards this as a violation they can overlook doesn't mean other people using the GNU GPL won't, and there are many. Er... s/won't/will/ Hopefully my meaning was clear from context. -- G. Branden

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2004-07-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 01:30:36PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I'll do this in the next day or so. It took me a week to get to this, but I've done it (message attached). I'll pass along whatever I learn. -- G. Branden Robinson| When dogma enters the brain, all Debian

Re: review of jabberd2 packages

2004-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
possible that in the years since since some developer placed a rant against the GNU GPL in his license, he's realized that the GNU GPL doesn't actually have the power to change the copyright license on third-party works. -- G. Branden Robinson| That's the saving grace of humor

Re: Advice for middleman Debian package

2004-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
it myself.] Jeff Licquia (a Debian Developer) has had some experience with this. It might be worth asking his advice. -- G. Branden Robinson|Fair use is irrelevant and Debian GNU/Linux |improper. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Asst. U.S

Re: Re: Help about texture inclueded in stellarium

2004-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
that were, for many years, open to all. These laws have greatly harmed plaintiffs’ artistic endeavors, and their ability to perform, teach, and disseminate works to the public. -- http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/openlaw/golanvashcroft/golan-reply.html -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Re: Help about texture inclueded in stellarium

2004-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 12:06:48PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: If I can discern the public domain version of the work from your copyrighted version, then your version is not copyrighted at all. Gar. Nasty typo. s/can/cannot/ -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any

Re: Fwd: Abiword being removed from Debian/unstable?

2004-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
/ -- G. Branden Robinson|Quantum materiae materietur marmota Debian GNU/Linux |monax si marmota monax materiam [EMAIL PROTECTED] |possit materiari? http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description: Digital signature

the meaning of 'the same terms in DFSG 3, and why the QPL fails it (was: An old question of EGE's)

2004-07-25 Thread Branden Robinson
really exists, I daresay the question is premature. [4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/03/msg00072.html -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux | because you call your mob a [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: GPL-compatible, copyleft documentation license

2004-07-20 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 12:33:22PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Branden Robinson: In the copyright holder's understanding, re-imposition of the requirements of sections 2a and and 2c by those creating a derivative work is not allowed, since those restrictions never attached

Re: GPL-compatible, copyleft documentation license

2004-07-20 Thread Branden Robinson
not *challenging*.) This argument holds less water for binary document source formats. -- G. Branden Robinson| I came, I saw, she conquered. Debian GNU/Linux | The original Latin seems to have [EMAIL PROTECTED] | been garbled. http

Re: request-tracker3: license shadiness

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
issues, but I don't want to robotically respond to every single sentence you've written. I don't want you to robotically repond either, and I reckon if you can't work up the enthusiasm for anything more useful than that, I withdraw my request. -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU

Re: request-tracker3: licence problem

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
as many rights as they'd have if the copyright were assigned to them. -- G. Branden Robinson|I had thought very carefully about Debian GNU/Linux |committing hara-kiri over this, but [EMAIL PROTECTED] |I overslept this morning. http

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8selm=3FFC952B.2020302%40mozilla.org -- G. Branden Robinson| It doesn't matter what you are Debian GNU/Linux | doing, emacs is always overkill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Stephen J. Carpenter http://people.debian.org

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:19:33PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-12 02:46]: IMO it would have helped if a Debian license arbitration body had been formally delegated by the DPL, but as we all know, that didn't happen

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
[self-followup to add some information and make a correction] On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 03:10:57PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: You did not use the words delegate or official, nor anything synonymous as far as I can tell, in your reply to Mr. Quinlan. Sorry, I meant to rewrite this paragraph

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
must not restrict the usage of a work by all recipients. Does it need one[1]? [1] People are awfully fond of skipping out of answering my questions with the excuse that they're rhetorical, so I hereby put you all on notice that this isn't one. -- G. Branden Robinson|Of two

arbitrary termination clauses (was: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report)

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
it: If the license you accept is oppressive in its terms, that means you can be oppressed. [1] http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.txt -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux | Ignorantia judicis est calamitas [EMAIL PROTECTED

the practical difference that patents make (was: Termination clauses, was: Choice of venue)

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
with the copyright regime when patents are held to affect the same works as copyrights is an indictment of the practice of both patenting and copyrighting software, not an indictment of our license analysis practices. These are my assertions. Yours appear to differ. -- G. Branden Robinson

defending freedom and evolving licenses (Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report)

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 11:51:37AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 04:58:50PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: We shouldn't be worried about freedom from a philosophical masturbation perspective. I think there should

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 12:01:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does the Social Contract bind us to using no tool other than the DFSG to determine whether a work we distribute as part of our system is free? Interestingly, the new version

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:31:44PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Branden Robinson: Where does the Social Contract bind us to using no tool other than the DFSG to determine whether a work we distribute as part of our system is free? We are obligated to our users not to remove (maybe even

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
are, it appears, duty-bound to read the DFSG as narrowly as possible, because it helps our users more to have publicly available software distributed specifically by the Debian Project than bad licenses that take away their freedoms harm them. -- G. Branden Robinson|People are equally

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 01:01:05PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Mailing lists are like a debate. Not like a newspaper. Well, *this* list is like a debate, as are discussion lists generally. Announcement lists are more like newspapers. -- G. Branden Robinson| What

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
the goals of DFSG excellently. Proof by assertion; wow. Good thing we're not lawyers, or we'd have detected that fallacy. -- G. Branden Robinson| The Rehnquist Court has never Debian GNU/Linux | encountered a criminal statute it [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
[4] http://www.fraserlawfirm.com/Publications/Business/BS-Venue.html -- G. Branden Robinson| If God had intended for man to go Debian GNU/Linux | about naked, we would have been [EMAIL PROTECTED] | born that way. http://people.debian.org

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
unir pbeerpgyl vasreerq gur fnepnfgvp angher bs guvf cbfg. ;-) ) -- G. Branden Robinson| It's not a matter of alienating Debian GNU/Linux | authors. They have every right to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | license their software however we http

Re: RE-PROPOSED: The Dictator Test

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
). I think the grammar in this setence is defective; such that I cannot determine whether you're making one statement or its opposite. Can you clarify, please? [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=211765 [2] http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: RE-PROPOSED: The Dictator Test

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 11:16:24AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2004-07-12 09:00:02 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data point: I can't scare up the reference at the moment, but The XFree Project, Inc., asserted that the warranty disclaimer was a condition of the MIT/X11 license

Re: RE-PROPOSED: The Dictator Test

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
this software, you agree to ...). It was motivated by reading a number of outrageous statements in licenses over the years. The one I attributed to XFree86 was only the most recent. -- G. Branden Robinson| Mob rule isn't any prettier just Debian GNU/Linux

Re: RE-PROPOSED: The Dictator Test

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 08:23:22AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: Branden Robinson writes: If an innocent bystander is harmed through the operation of defective Free Software, how can he or she be held to the warranty disclaimer, given that he or she never received the corresponding

Re: RE-PROPOSED: The Dictator Test

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
to base your assertion on fact and logic? (5 days later...) Perhaps not. :-/ -- G. Branden Robinson| I am only good at complaining. Debian GNU/Linux | You don't want me near your code. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Dan Jacobson http

Re: Desert Island Test [Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL]

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
it with real legal principle. Passing the Desert Island test: It's not just a good idea, it's the Law. -- G. Branden Robinson|When we call others dogmatic, what Debian GNU/Linux |we really object to is their [EMAIL PROTECTED] |holding dogmas

license clarity vs. jurisdiction (was: Desert Island Test [Re: DRAFT: debian-legal summary of the QPL])

2004-07-19 Thread Branden Robinson
a U.S. citizen and resident, and consequently everything I say must be suspected as an argument for occupying Iraq and/or using the Kyoto Protocol as toilet paper. :-P -- G. Branden Robinson| I am only good at complaining. Debian GNU/Linux | You

Re: remove this package from another developer

2004-07-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:41:00AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Branden Robinson: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:09:13PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:35:25PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 02:03:37PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: debian

Re: remove this package from another developer (was: Bug#251983: Please remove libcwd from main; it is licensed under the QPL, which is non-free.)

2004-07-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 10:23:00PM +0200, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader wrote: * Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-14 02:55]: I fail to see why debian-legal's undelegated status is at all relevant given our current leadership philsophy. The difference

Re: request-tracker3: license shadiness

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 07:18:36AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 01:49:55AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: I see; what sort of DFSG violations do you consider minor? Minor is relative, and depends on context. In the context of GPL compatability [which I think

Re: xinetd license possibly violates DFSG #4

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 05:17:25PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: At the same time, I'm struggling to determine an essential distinction between a single de-facto closed-universe project, and a vast collection of such projects (which all works licensed under the GNU GPL

Re: xinetd license possibly violates DFSG #4

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
wants to forbid a derivative being numbered as xinetd 2.3.15, taking away the official version number. On what do you ground your statement of the author's intention? -- G. Branden Robinson|No executive devotes much effort to Debian GNU/Linux |proving

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 07:10:46PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:05:16AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: OTOH, as you're sure to note, an easy way around this is that a package can be completely useless in main as long as what it depends on isn't a package. Maybe

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
, this is not really a DFSG or debian-legal issue, it's a Debian Policy issue. -- G. Branden Robinson| Never attribute to malice that Debian GNU/Linux | which can be adequately explained [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by stupidity. http://people.debian.org

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:08:06AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I think every program in Debian is held to the standard of being useful. Please, s/is held/should be held/. If you're like me, you should fear the counterexamples that could be brought to the fore. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
when we *dared* to find the IETF's RFC license non-free[1]. Somehow, not shipping (some of) the RFCs in main made them inaccessible, and infeasible to access. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=92810msg=5 ...is just one of many examples -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: request-tracker3: licence problem

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
that this is not part of the copyright license as well. The DFSG problem is resolved as far as I can tell. Thanks a lot for working with Best Practical, LLC to bring this issue to a positive conclusion! -- G. Branden Robinson| Debian GNU/Linux

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 03:53:45PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 02:46:13AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: We do collectively understand that there are Free, full-featured graphical browsers *other* than Netscape, right? You're seriously suggesting that Debian wouldn't

Re: GUADEC report

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
varies by the individual. [2] http://www.debian.org/social_contract (Surprisingly, it would seem, one can find the language Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software even in the original version of the Social Contract.) -- G. Branden Robinson| Psychology

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
between being screwed by people within the Free Software community, and people outside it. It is occasionally useful to be able to distinguish good neighbors from bad ones. -- G. Branden Robinson| Intellectual property is neither Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
shall forfeit the argument. -- G. Branden Robinson| If we believe absurdities, we Debian GNU/Linux | shall commit atrocities. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Voltaire http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | signature.asc Description

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
, without prior notice, and without your consent. is substantively different. Termination due to non-compliance is one thing. Termination due to the copyright holder's, e.g., bad case of gas, is quite another. -- G. Branden Robinson|Kissing girls is a goodness. It is Debian GNU

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
is not the one that is currently in force. Those who were furious with the changes saw to that. Oh, the irony. :) [1] http://www.debian.org/social_contract [2] http://www.debian.org/social_contract.1.0 -- G. Branden Robinson| The last time the Republican Party Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Choice of venue, was: GUADEC report

2004-07-14 Thread Branden Robinson
? What's the grand strategy behind this conspiracy? If you can identify that, perhaps you'd be in a better position to combat it, no? -- G. Branden Robinson| Communism is just one step on the Debian GNU/Linux | long road from capitalism to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Blast from the Past: the LaTeX Project Public License, version 1.3

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
[I am not subscribed to debian-tetex-maint.] On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 02:38:20PM +0200, Hilmar Preusse wrote: On 11.07.04 Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmmm. I don't suppose it's a *huge* deal, but do you think we could ask upstream to apply the new LPPL to the existing

Re: request-tracker3: license shadiness

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 07:40:39PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: The license prohibits any redistribution at all, and instead of focussing on that, On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 05:37:21PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Why shouldn't we present license analyses that are as comprehensive as we

Re: request-tracker3: license shadiness

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
from exploring the ramfications of clauses like the one in question, what we think of them, and where we (Debian developers) disagree with each other as to what is and is not DFSG-free. -- G. Branden Robinson|Any man who does not realize that Debian GNU/Linux

Re: xinetd license possibly violates DFSG #4

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 07:12:25PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 05:59:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: It doesn't seem to consider that possibility. Is it DFSG-free to prohibit code reuse in other projects? [...] Patch clauses are at least one case in which

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
a package. Maybe that *was* your point. That would be a waste of archive resources. Er, before heading down this road, I think you should attempt an objective demonstration that we seem to give a damn about wasting archive resources in the first place. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
. According to the bug logs, as of about a month ago Moritz Muehlenhoff announced his intent to package it. -- G. Branden Robinson| Why should I allow that same God Debian GNU/Linux | to tell me how to raise my kids, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 12:22:36AM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Branden Robinson wrote: Do we expect the typical user of the emulator to already have game ROMs on hand? If so, by what means? Do you really want to know and control the means, by which debian users

questions for the Apache Software Foundation [was: Apple's APSL 2.0 Debian Free Software Guidelines-compliant?]

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
. [1] ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change -- G. Branden Robinson| Religion is excellent stuff for Debian GNU/Linux | keeping common people quiet. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Napoleon Bonaparte http

Re: CC-based proposal (was FDL: no news?)

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
example set by Craig Sanders and other supporters of Proposal D? -- G. Branden Robinson| One man's magic is another man's Debian GNU/Linux | engineering. Supernatural is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] | null word. http://people.debian.org/~branden

abiword: Debian appears to be violating AbiWord's license

2004-07-12 Thread Branden Robinson
rather than the official graphics. However, checking again, I see that this is not the case in either the stable or unstable versions. This is definitely a violation of the Abiword license, and should be submitted as a serious bugreport on the abiword package. Filed. -- G. Branden Robinson

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