Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-08-01 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be precise, the reference you cited (thanks!) makes it clear that RMS considers the free in free software to apply only to the technical functionality of the work, whether the work is a

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-08-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Err, who are you arguing against? I do not espouse the position above. You do a good job arguing against it, but it is unlikely that RMS will read what you wrote... (I'm also not someone you need to convince.) I wasn't taking myself to be arguing

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-31 Thread MJ Ray
Sergey V. Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is clear for me, why FDL appears: it is needed to help technical writers earn money by writing free documentation for free software and to help publishers of free manuals make a profit from them [1]. That may be clear to you, but should we

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-31 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], MJ Ray wrote: ... Both FSF and Debian agree that FDL-covered works are not free software, ... To the best of my knowledge, this is not correct: RMS seems to argue that a manual published under the FDL is free in the free software sense, since you can make any

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-31 Thread MJ Ray
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], MJ Ray wrote: ... Both FSF and Debian agree that FDL-covered works are not free software, ... To the best of my knowledge, this is not correct: RMS seems to argue that a manual published under the FDL is free in the free

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-31 Thread Dylan Thurston
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], MJ Ray wrote: Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], MJ Ray wrote: ... Both FSF and Debian agree that FDL-covered works are not free software, ... To the best of my knowledge, this is not correct: RMS seems to argue that a manual

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-31 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To be precise, the reference you cited (thanks!) makes it clear that RMS considers the free in free software to apply only to the technical functionality of the work, whether the work is a program or documentation: he writes The problem is that the

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Jeremy Hankins said: On debian-legal, yes. But we've had very little actual discussion with anyone who admitted to representing the FSF position. In fact, that was one of the issues that came up in our brief discussions with RMS: is there anyone else who can authoritatively, or at least

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Henning Makholm wrote: To the extent that the GFDL caters for the wishes of publishers at all, it is in that it makes it inconvenient for *competing* publishers to publish and sell hardcopies. It would not help a publisher that *he* has the text under GFDL if his competitors (or those that he

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-25 Thread David B Harris
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:28:36 -0400 Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sergey V. Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is clear for me, why FDL appears: it is needed to help technical writers earn money by writing free documentation for free software and to help publishers of free

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-25 Thread Jeremy Hankins
David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem here is that (without going into the details) communication between the FSF and Debian seems to have broken down. Though I cannot say that I entirely understand the perspective of the FSF and so

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
... To the extent that the GFDL caters for the wishes of publishers at all, it is in that it makes it inconvenient for *competing* publishers to publish and sell hardcopies. ... I'm not quite tracking you there. The GFDL isn't supposed to have that effect, at least as I read it, and as I

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Barak Pearlmutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... To the extent that the GFDL caters for the wishes of publishers at all, it is in that it makes it inconvenient for *competing* publishers to publish and sell hardcopies. ... I'm not quite tracking you there. The GFDL isn't supposed to have

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 04:17:38AM +0200, Sergey V. Spiridonov wrote: It is clear for me, why FDL appears: it is needed to help technical writers earn money by writing free documentation for free software and to help publishers of free manuals make a profit from them [1]. snip I like FSF

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Sergey V. Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is clear for me, why FDL appears: it is needed to help technical writers earn money by writing free documentation for free software and to help publishers of free manuals make a profit from them [1]. It is clear for me, why some debian members

Re: GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-23 Thread Barak Pearlmutter
From: Sergey V. Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] I like FSF and I like Debian. So, I ask you (FSF and Debian) to find a solution. Both goals are important. I (user) need documentation and I (user) need free software. Please, find a compromise! You are absolutely right. Failure to find a

GNU FDL and Debian

2003-07-22 Thread Sergey V. Spiridonov
Hi, It is clear for me, why FDL appears: it is needed to help technical writers earn money by writing free documentation for free software and to help publishers of free manuals make a profit from them [1]. It is clear for me, why some debian members are not willing to have documentation