Hello, Francesco!
You wrote to debian-legal@lists.debian.org on Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:49:28 +0200:
>> >> In the US and some other places, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted. You
>> >> can
>> >> make a free bitmap font by rendering a non-free font at a particular size.
>> >
>> > Interesting: could y
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:56:29 +0400 Alexander Cherepanov wrote:
> Hello, Francesco!
> You wrote to debian-legal@lists.debian.org on Fri, 29 May 2009 00:29:18 +0200:
>
> >> In the US and some other places, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted. You
> >> can
> >> make a free bitmap font by rendering a
Hello, Francesco!
You wrote to debian-legal@lists.debian.org on Fri, 29 May 2009 00:29:18 +0200:
>> In the US and some other places, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted. You can
>> make a free bitmap font by rendering a non-free font at a particular size.
>
> Interesting: could you point me at the
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:03:15 +0100 MJ Ray wrote:
> Francesco Poli wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Ken Arromdee wrote:
> > > In the US and some other places, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted. You
> > > can
> > > make a free bitmap font by rendering a non-free font at a parti
Francesco Poli wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Ken Arromdee wrote:
> > In the US and some other places, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted. You can
> > make a free bitmap font by rendering a non-free font at a particular size.
>
> Interesting: could you point me at the specific a
On Sun, 31 May 2009 16:52:23 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:42:46PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:37:56 +0200 Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
> > > Better yet: he should recognize that the reason he needs to add all these
> > > acronyms is because h
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:42:46PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:37:56 +0200 Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:33:52AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > > Disclaimers, of course: IANADD, TINASOTODP (and IANAL, TINLA).
> > > If you really feel the urge
Dmitrijs Ledkovs writes:
> That's what I thought as well cause source is not available in
> preffered form of modification.
I don't understand this. The definition that has been used in this
thread is that the preferred form of the work for modifying that work
*is* the source form.
> But imagin
2009/5/29 Mark Weyer :
> Am I missing something? I would think that even if in all jurisdictions
> the font is non-copyrightable, that still would not imply DFSG-freeness,
> only that it is fit for non-free.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Weyer
That's what I thought as well cause source is not availa
> > > > * xfonts-* (bitmap renderings of non-free vector fonts)
> > > Are you saying that xfonts-* are derived from non-free fonts?
> > > How can they be DFSG-free, then?
> >
> > In the US and some other places, bitmap fonts can't be copyrighted. You can
> > make a free bitmap font by rende
On Thu, 28 May 2009 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Ken Arromdee wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 2009, Francesco Poli wrote:
> > > > I instead think that FTP masters should change their minds about 2D
> > > > images rendered from 3D models.
> > > I suggest you start your own distribution, in which you wonât ship:
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Francesco Poli wrote:
> > > I instead think that FTP masters should change their minds about 2D
> > > images rendered from 3D models.
> > I suggest you start your own distribution, in which you wonât ship:
> > * xfonts-* (bitmap renderings of non-free vector fonts)
> Ar
Mathieu Blondel writes:
> * The model alone can be distributed under a free license.
> - As a consequence of this, neither the original data nor the program
> to build the model need to be free.
Going by the FSF definition of a free work, specifically freedom 1 and 3
http://www.gnu.org/philosoph
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Francesco Poli wrote:
>> Afterall, a model is just a big set of numbers.
>
> Machine code is just a long sequence of 0s and 1s...
I knew someone would come up with this :-)
Let me summarize and please correct me if I'm wrong.
* The model alone can be distribute
Steve Langasek writes:
> [specific person]'s posts are an inappropriate use of this mailing
> list and not productive, and [they should] stop posting.
On what are you basing your judgement of “appropriate use of this
mailing list”? Can you give specific examples of posts you think are
inappropri
On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:37:56 +0200 Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:33:52AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Disclaimers, of course: IANADD, TINASOTODP (and IANAL, TINLA).
>
> > If you really feel the urge to add meaningless acronyms to all your
> > emails, please do so in y
On Wed, 27 May 2009 10:33:52 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 27 mai 2009 à 00:36 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit :
[...]
> > I instead think that FTP masters should change their minds about 2D
> > images rendered from 3D models.
>
> I suggest you start your own distribution, in which yo
On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:36:55 +0200 Mark Weyer wrote:
[...]
> Extremes: I do not agree with this classification of my view.
> I value a free game for the fact, that I can fool around with the source
> to make it "better". Adding features, levels, characters. If this means
> that I have to add long
On Wed, 27 May 2009 11:25:09 +0900 Mathieu Blondel wrote:
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Francesco Poli wrote:
>
> > I think that in the case of machine learning models, source form is
> > even more clearly distinct from compiled object.
> > We can consider an artificial neural network, for i
I know I should not reply to polemic posts because it is just one step
short of troll-feeding, but anyway:
> I suggest you start your own distribution, in which you won’t ship:
> * xfonts-* (bitmap renderings of non-free vector fonts)
I agree that these do not belong in a free distribution
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:33:52AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Disclaimers, of course: IANADD, TINASOTODP (and IANAL, TINLA).
> If you really feel the urge to add meaningless acronyms to all your
> emails, please do so in your signature.
Better yet: he should recognize that the reason he
> > I agree with you. In particular, in many cases a single 3D model is used
> > to create many 2D images. If you don't have the model, you need to do
> > the modification many times.
> > And then there is the case of increasing the resolution...
> I don't know if it would be technically possible
2009/5/27 Mark Weyer :
>> > This looks very similar to distributing a picture which is a 2D
>> > rendering of a 3D model without distributing the original model. This is
>> > already accepted in the archive, and the reason is that a 2D picture is
>> > its own source, and can serve as a base for mod
Le mercredi 27 mai 2009 à 00:36 +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit :
> > Of course, the decision is up to the FTP masters, but I think this
> > should be accepted for the sake of consistency with things we already
> > cannot decently exclude from the archive.
>
> I instead think that FTP masters should
> I mentioned Voxforge in my previous email. Their goal is to use their
> free spech data to train models with HTK and use the models with
> Julius. You can get the source code of HTK after registration on their
> website but the license has severe restrictions so HTK is not free
> software. Juliu
> > This looks very similar to distributing a picture which is a 2D
> > rendering of a 3D model without distributing the original model. This is
> > already accepted in the archive, and the reason is that a 2D picture is
> > its own source, and can serve as a base for modified versions this way.
>
Replying to Paul Wise (sorry I'm not subscribed to the mailing-list, I
saw your message through the archive)
Modern speech recognition engines are usually speaker independent. In
order to support speaker dependent models, users would have to record
their voice in order to train the models. This ma
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Mathieu Blondel wrote:
> I mentioned Voxforge in my previous email. Their goal is to use their
> free spech data to train models with HTK and use the models with
> Julius. You can get the source code of HTK after registration on their
> website but the license ha
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Francesco Poli wrote:
> I think that in the case of machine learning models, source form is
> even more clearly distinct from compiled object.
> We can consider an artificial neural network, for instance (Mathieu,
> correct me if it's a wrong example).
> I am unde
On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:55:32 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 27 mai 2009 à 01:17 +0900, Mathieu Blondel a écrit :
[...]
> > My first question is : is it possible to distribute the model under a
> > free software license without distributing the original data that were
> > used to train
Le mercredi 27 mai 2009 à 01:17 +0900, Mathieu Blondel a écrit :
> For efficient storage, the model may be stored in binary format but
> human-readable formats (such as XML) may be used, thus allowing easy
> access to the parameters of the models.
>
> My first question is : is it possible to distr
Michael Poole wrote:
> Mathieu Blondel writes:
>
> > My first question is : is it possible to distribute the model under a
> > free software license without distributing the original data that were
> > used to train the model? Likewise, is it possible to package directly
> > a model in Debian?
>
Mathieu Blondel writes:
> My first question is : is it possible to distribute the model under a
> free software license without distributing the original data that were
> used to train the model? Likewise, is it possible to package directly
> a model in Debian?
The answer to your first question i
Hi everyone,
In Machine Learning (a branch of Artificial Intelligence), algorithms
are developed to "compile" ("train") models from data. The goal is to
estimate the parameters (e.g. real numbers) of a model so that the
model best fits the data. Because the number of parameters can
possibly be gre
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