On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 03:55:33PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> So I think it is too risky to accept such a license if there is no
> explicit permission to all the freedoms needed for DFSG works.
Thank you for your answers. It seems there are different views on this
so it's probably better to avoid
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 12:50:55PM +0200, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> if the original author of the software really meant "do with it whatever you
> like - really, everything" when they wrote "Use as you wish", then I'm sure
> they will give you a positive reply when you ask them whether it would be
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 05:45:59PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> This mailing list is purely advisory (if that, even), and has no
> formal decisionmaking status. The actual decisions are made and
> implemented by the ftpmasters.
Some advisory is valuable for me just before I choose to include such
I've encountered two simple notices, I wonder if they are acceptable for
DFSG under your opinion.
Is "Use as you wish" an acceptable license?
And, a web page that says some of its content "may be downloaded and
used for any projects, without restrictions".
There is no explicit mention of
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:56:22AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> // 4. If anything other than configuration, indentation or comments have been
> //altered in the code, the modified code must be made accessible to the
> //original author(s).
Fails the Desert Island Test:
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 07:21:34PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote:
> Hi,
> rather than commenting on the several misconceptions and plain false
> statements included in the upstream author's answer, I will just
> recommend you to reply him something similar to the following:
That's an excellent
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:51:52PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> Yes, but mrouted was release/relicensed under less restrictive BSD
> license too.
>
> As wrote in one of first emails, here is link to text of new mrouted
> license:
>
>
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:46:45PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> On Thursday 24 November 2016 20:07:43 you wrote:
> > > I do not know, but mrouted was relicensed to BSD in 2003 and
> > > igmpproxy started in 2005 (according to year in source files). And
> > > because BSD is compatible with GPL, you
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 02:52:33PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> Because igmpproxy is based on mrouted originally licensed under Stanford
> and later relicensed under BSD, I would consider it DFSG compliant...
For what is worth, my point of view follows:
In general, when a program is relicensed,
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 02:42:34PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
[...]
> Note that smcroute 0.92 was accepted into Debian [4].
>
> Due to above GPL facts in igmpproxy files I think that everybody though
> igmpproxy is licensed and distributed under GPL. If it was legal and I
> correct I do not know...
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 07:29:21PM +0100, Roberto wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 06:36:53PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > I'm not saying that it invalidates. Just that I understood that whole
> > igmpproxy can be redistributed under GPLv2+ and some other parts, based
> > on
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 05:36:57PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 November 2016 16:17:21 Roberto wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 02:42:34PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > The COPYING file that you linked says "Original license can be found
> > in the Stanford.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 06:36:53PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> I'm not saying that it invalidates. Just that I understood that whole
> igmpproxy can be redistributed under GPLv2+ and some other parts, based
> on mrouted had original license Stanford.txt... and those and only those
> parts
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 03:53:53PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Pali Rohár writes ("Re: is igmpproxy dfsg compliant?"):
> > On Thursday 24 November 2016 19:29:21 Roberto wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 06:36:53PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > > &g
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 06:20:24PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> I'm already in contact with old/original maintainers of igmpproxy hosted
> on sourceforge who maintained it until release of version 0.1.
>
> Those maintainers are not interested in maintaining igmpproxy anymore
> and they agreed
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 02:03:44PM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> Sure; law is always open to be interpreted by the court. This is
> generally true and not specific to this case.
Yes but, what I want to say is that, in this particular case, I don't
think it's safe to assume that a collection of
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:14:32AM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> Then (and may be more important): These files are not copyrightable ad
> all, since they are natural data; they describe *facts*. As one can't
> copyright the distance to the moon, one can't copyright the details of
> earth rotation.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:41:37PM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> That is generally not true for scientific databases: When the entries
> are selected by objective criteria (which is the common case for such
> databases), the database is not copyrightable.
That's open to the interpretation of the
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 10:51:55PM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> I read that article 7 that you cited as: the maker of a database has the
> right to protect it -- which however needs him to be active (which is
> not the case for the JPL).
Okay, feel free to include databases of facts in Debian if
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 01:47:51PM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> Your other argument (with article 7) has nothing do do with copyright:
> even when this article applies to a database, it is still not
> (necessarily) copyright protected. Article 7 just claims that the maker
> of a database *may*
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 09:03:56AM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> The directive is about database protection, not (only) about
> copyright. It mainly shows *two* independent possibilities how database
> are protectable:
>
> 1. Copyright protection: By accounting the creativity to produce the
>
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:16:49AM +0100, Ole Streicher wrote:
> As far as I know, there is no extension agreement with the US. So, JPL as
> the database maker cannot protect the database by article 7.
>
> Also, the protection in article 7 expires after 15 years (article
> 10). The databases
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 02:08:38PM +0100, David Lamparter wrote:
> The respective original authors have expressed and reaffirmed their
> wishes for the code to remain under a permissive license. While we
> could obviously just slap GPL on top, we have decided to try and honour
> the original
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 02:22:08PM +, Paul Jakma wrote:
> 3. People took the code of (2), and adapted that code - extensively and
>explicitly - to make use of and rely upon the facilities of the code
>of (1); facilities which were missing in the code of (2).
>
> The people involved in
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 11:37:22PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> In general, I agree. But there might be cases that are less
> clear-cut. For example, if the upgrade from GPLv2+ to GPLv3+ is used
> to gain permission to combine the work with an AGPL work, especially
> if this is done in an
On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 09:18:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Many authors provide conflicting license statements. It's not
> unusual. In the extreme case, it makes the software undistributable
> and unsuitable for Debian.
I know, conflicting statements are a serious problem. But that's a
There was a similar case with LinuxSampler a few years ago, restricting
*use* of the program in commercial applications. It was removed from
Debian and it was concluded that its license is inconsistent, nobody can
actually comply with it, because the GPL and the added restriction
contradict each
I want to thank you for your research and bringing up this issue. From
now I will start looking for those snippets in the software projects
that I'm participating, as I find them worrysome in some particular
cases, indeed.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 08:04:47PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
> The reason is that the one-way compatibility mechanism of CC-by-sa v4.0
> is not exceptionally clear, and, without that compatibility, the
> CC-by-sa v4.0 license itself has a number of controversial clauses
> (non-free, in my own
On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:13:30PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
> I asked the FSF to publish a reasoned analysis on this.
> I did so back in 2015, but nothing has been disclosed yet (as far as I
> know). :-(
>
> I am personally *not* convinced that CC-by v4.0 is GPL-compatible.
I think that
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 11:15:34PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
> The RIAA seems to be targeting the most vulnerable and leat likely to
> defend themselves, otherweise they would be targeting those who upload
> content violating copyright laws instead on free software maintainers.
>
> (Also,
>From my personal experience of 15+ years contacting with authors of thousands
of "free" sound fonts: they are usually composed of sounds taken from random
places, and nobody really knows who made them or what their license are. Many
of them take samples from other "free" sound fonts, and chain
. Do they belong in nonfree or contrib because of this?
I apologize if this has been asked before or if I am off base, but I am still
learning my way around Debian.
-Roberto Sanchez
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of geotrans
because the authors say so in a mail sent to me (it is not clear in
the terms of use). I asked them to
rewrite the terms of use but they released a new version without doing it.
I you agree I will upload the package to main soon.
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This package was Debianized
Hi all,
reading this link here below, it seems that compilation and repackaging
the content is prohibited by their license. What's your opinion on this?
https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/10082/geforce-nvidia-driver-license-for-commerical-use
In fact, up today (515.76) the .run
Il giorno lun 3 ott 2022 alle ore 21:50 Simon McVittie ha
scritto:
>
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2022 at 21:12:50 +0200, Roberto A. Foglietta wrote:
> > Are you referring to the special permission given by e-mail by Donald
Randall
> > in 2003?
>
> I think you're misreading the copyri
Il giorno lun 3 ott 2022 alle ore 20:42 Simon McVittie ha
scritto:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2022 at 19:52:23 +0200, Roberto A. Foglietta wrote:
> > reading this link here below, it seems that compilation and repackaging
> the
> > content is prohibited by their license. W
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 08:36, Stephan Verbücheln wrote:
>
> They clearly state that they decompiled binaries from Windows XP. This
> means it is a /fork/ and *not* a /clone/.
>
> Since I have not heard that Microsoft has put a permissive license on
> those binaries, I would expect that the
-list.html#NonFreeSoftwareLicense)
which would make it non-free. Is this correct? Should a bug be filed
against the gnuplot* packages?
-Roberto
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. Correct? I am just trying to make sure that I understand
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the software is not free.
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-executable forms are available under the terms of this license.
ME:
Not sure how that affects Debian's distribution of the package.
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am trying to wrap my
head around this. Also, please CC me on all replies, as I am not
subcribed to -legal.
-Roberto
Florian Weimer wrote:
* Roberto C. Sanchez:
I have been recently checking out packages up for adoption or
already orphaned. In the process I came across regexplorer [0].
Here are the dependencies of regexplorer and their respective
licenses (as I understand it):
* libc6 (LGPL)
* libgcc1
Quoting Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Florian Weimer wrote:
QPL is usually considered free, but its use is discouraged. An
additional exception, as granted by OCaml for example, can improve
things.
Even though the license says this:
You must ensure that all recipients
Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
Hi Roberto!
You wrote:
Per Branden's request, I am forwarding this to -legal.
FSF says that the 3-clause BSD-type license is GPL-compatible.
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wx4j/modules/wx4j/LICENSE.TXT?rev=1.2view=markup
ddd
This is not a 3-clause BSD
license is trying to say,
you may want to consider the MIT/X license, BSD (w/o advertising
clause), or public domain.
IANAL, but I have seen enough discussions about license issues becuase
someone wrote their own and forgot something to think that it is usually
a Bad Idea(TM).
-Roberto
[0] http
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Looking into it, timidity-patches turns out to have been put together
from patch files taken from the Midia patch set, distributed with the
Midia MIDI renderer that ran on SGI workstations. Midia and its patch
Yes, i've been suspecting that, because of the
with
Debian guidelines.
It is very likely that the same occurs with icons, images and other
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problem.
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Are public domain files (true public domain, copyright declined by the
author) also restricted by default?
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Found another one: package powermanga-data is shipped with a sound that
comes from Windows 95 sounds (file bonus4.wav). The file contains the
strings Microsoft Corporation and Windows 95 Utopia Sound Scheme.
Should bugs be filled against mentioned packages?
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Is this OK to get httperf back into main?
-Roberto
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Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:43:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Martin Arlitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: forwarded message from Roberto C. Sanchez
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 01:10:07AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:01:51 -0400 Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Is this OK to get httperf back into main?
Assuming that
* httperf is currently released under the GNU GPL v2
[Please CC me, I am not on -legal]
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 08:51:12PM -0700, Martin Arlitt wrote:
Roberto
all of the copyright holders have agreed to the exception.
as for the rewording of the exception, I will have to check with the
people who provided me with the exception that I sent
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 06:16:52PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
(
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On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 10:13:42AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
Quoting Lionel Elie Mamane
looked :)
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I will start to fill bugs for packages containing data (sound, music,
images, textures, icons...) when its origin is not specified (see
below). Many of this bugs will be RC, because of legal issues; that is
the reason for asking first on this list.
I won't make an extensive search, but I will
OK, you win, I will not continue with this. Do whatever you want with the bug.
I'm sending this message to debian-legal, in case other people care.
On 8/30/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For all you've said up to this point, the sound files being used could be in
the public domain;
I strongly disagree with your arguments. It looks that we have
opposite way of thinking, so I will not reply to them, it is going to
nowhere. Don't worry, as I said, I won't continue searching for this.
If this is the common feeling here, I think I made a serious mistake
choosing Debian, because
On 8/30/06, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Langasek has said, in essence
When A says X, and we have no evidence to the contrary,
we believe A.
Your objection, in essence seems to be
We should not believe X when we have no evidence that X
is true.
Well... more exactly, I try to
On 8/30/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The latter implies that all packages should have RC bugs on them because we
should not believe that any of the licenses and copyrights are what upstream
says they are. How is that reasonable?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think it is still
Well, I've been reading the responses and I'm sorry for starting all
of this. I don't like this kind of discussions, they deeply depress
me, but it just happens that lately I'm getting involved frequently on
many of them. I want to say some things.
I hereby say that, in my subjective point of
On 9/5/06, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Markus Laire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060830 15:01]:
This problem was mentioned in this list on _2004_ but cdrtools still
hasn't been removed from Debian (see [2]). IMHO hypocrisy is perfect
word to describe such behaviour.
This list isn't the
to be specifically
addressed by GPL 3.
Thank you for your answers.
PS:I know it is not polite, but can you please CC: me? I did not
subscribe the list.
Regards,
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What about:
The author(s) of this script expressly place it into the public domain.
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and
all related documents be drafted in English. Les parties ont exigé que
le présent contrat et tous les documents connexes soient rédigés en
anglais.
I'm no legal expert, but I seem to recall that these type of venue
selection clauses make the licenses non-free.
Regards,
-Roberto
can't find a precise
quotation in the Debian Policy Manual and point to it.
IIRC, the rule is that sources and binaries must be DFSG free.
Otherwise, source CDs would fall under different rules than binary CDs.
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otherwise may put ourselves and our mirror operators in peril.
So what? Distributing GPL works *with* sources is also not clear of
legal liability.
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to neglect to mention that
you're not a lawyer.
So, do you have anything to say about what Nathanael said? How does
his not being a lawyer make his statement false?
I don't think the point was that the statement is false, rather that it
is unfounded.
Regards,
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:07:00PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
So what? Distributing GPL works *with* sources is also not clear of
legal liability.
Those liabilities occur in either case, so they're not particularly
interesting to discuss
it was readable into my initial response, that
was definetly not the intention.]
OK. I'll drop it then.
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under the PHP license, which is incompatible
:/
If you are the author of said application, you could release under the
MIT or BSD-type license.
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Some reason why you think it is illegal and *where* you think it is
illegal would be important and probably also generate a more fruitful
discussion than a simple claim of it's illegal with nothing else.
Regards,
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 10:08:19PM -0800, Jeff Carr wrote:
On 01/08/07 18:43, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:02:02PM -0800, Jeff Carr wrote:
That's good, I'm not convinced that CC in any form isn't DFSG. :)
It seems to me the CC is written with the same kind
solely for the purpose of self
actualization. All knowledge is shared and there is no impediment to
its exchange. Of course, as we live in the real world and are
predominantly driven by money as a society, we really can't do as they
do in ST:TNG.
Regards,
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interface.
Thank you for reading, and forgive me for the OT.
Because it waste's space? That's what server-side filtering is for. If
you read mail in an 80 character wide terminal, then you will know that
many subject lines already get truncated.
Regards,
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for the GPL. You can check
the copyright file for the httperf to see how I handled this same issue.
There are others, but that is the only one I can think of off the top of
my head.
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reveals some protected
information of the client. I would think that since SPI is the client,
they can unilaterally decide to make the information public.
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perfect sense to me.
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a downloader that lives in contrib and just polls the Intel
site (or whatever, it can be cron-based or only happen when the admin
executes it) and downloads the whole thing, including any updates?
Regards,
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them to relicense eaccelerator. If that
rewrite is complete, then the software may be distributable. However, I
have not looked into it for quite a while.
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[ Please keep me in the CC since I am not subscribed to -legal ]
I was recently asked to sponsor an upload of a package that carries the
below license. Is this license acceptable for main?
Regards,
-Roberto
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:05PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
[I'm Cc:ing Roberto, who asked to be Cc:ed, but probably didn't see
Joe's reply]
Thanks Francesco.
This is the type of messed up license obtained when a lawyer never looks
over the license, and the drafter is not familar
the sources. Does the
footer statement on documentation pages conflict with that license. My
initial inclination is that it does not. Any other opinions?
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of the author's source code.
But I am not so sure.
Regards,
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