Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-30 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message hev0h8$ui...@ger.gmane.org, Joe Smith unknown_kev_...@hotmail.com writes Now I looka at the other extreme. In theory, with copyright if you independently create a work that happens to be absolutely identical (say letter by letter or pixel by pixel), without even knowing about the

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:41:40 + Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message hev0h8$ui...@ger.gmane.org, Joe Smith unknown_kev_...@hotmail.com writes Now I looka at the other extreme. In theory, with copyright if you independently create a work that happens to be absolutely identical (say

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-29 Thread Joe Smith
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote in message news:20091125220338.gb24...@gwolf.org... Mike Hommey dijo [Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:30:58AM +0100]: More than the trademark fair use problem, there is one of a license one: Are these logo really free ? (keep in mind that for example, the Firefox

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ben Finney dijo [Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:04:33AM +1100]: I agree. What about MSN butterfly [1], ICQ flower [2], etc ? ICQ, THE FLOWER LOGO, THE ICQ NETWORK and/or other ICQ products referenced herein are trademarks and/or servicemarks of ICQ. […] No license is granted to you in this

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mike Hommey dijo [Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:30:58AM +0100]: More than the trademark fair use problem, there is one of a license one: Are these logo really free ? (keep in mind that for example, the Firefox logo is not, whatever the trademark status is) Depends on its source. If I were to draw a

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Ben Finney wrote: This does, to my mind, permit using the mark to say ???this product supports that other product and/or service???, and doesn't need the trademark holder's permission. Whether other jurisdictions have a similar allowance, I don't know. To my knowledge this is a fairly

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 02:08:14PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Eion Robb e...@robbmob.com writes: There's no “fair use” in trademark law AFAIK. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trademark+law+fair+usel=1 (Leads to URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law)) Okay, so it seems

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote: More than the trademark fair use problem, there is one of a license one: Are these logo really free ? (keep in mind that for example, the Firefox logo is not, whatever the trademark status is) The initial mail in this

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 05:52:22PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote: More than the trademark fair use problem, there is one of a license one: Are these logo really free ? (keep in mind that for example, the Firefox logo is not,

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote: The pidgin-facebookchat icons seem free (GPLv3) though. Well, that's what they claim, but what is the real status ? A wild guess is that most icons that are present in packages have been picked from the web sites (or

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Ben Finney
(Please don't send individual copies, we read them via the list) Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org writes: For example, I have serious doubts about the freeness of the search engine icons in iceweasel (the ones on the top right of the UI). Those are (as far as I understand) published by the

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:31:30PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Those are (as far as I understand) published by the OpenSearch protocol, and explicitly sent using that protocol by the search provider as “an image that can be used in association with this search content”

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-24 Thread Gabriele Giacone
Paul Wise wrote: According to the comments in one of the URLs in the initial mail in this thread, the author of the facebook icon specifically created it for pidgin-facebookchat, so I imagine they specifically licensed it under the GPLv3 for pidgin-facebookchat folks.

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-23 Thread Gabriele Giacone
Eion Robb wrote: I believe repacking upstream tarball to exclude logos is the way to go. You'll also want to remove the MSN/AIM/etc logos from Pidgin/Empathy/etc too, since they obviously fall into the same legal grey area. Unless they're considered fair use then everything should be good to

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-23 Thread Ben Finney
Gabriele Giacone losga...@libero.it writes: Eion Robb wrote: You'll also want to remove the MSN/AIM/etc logos from Pidgin/Empathy/etc too, since they obviously fall into the same legal grey area. Unless they're considered fair use then everything should be good to go. There's no “fair

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-23 Thread Eion Robb
There's no “fair use” in trademark law AFAIK. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trademark+law+fair+usel=1 :)

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-23 Thread Ben Finney
Eion Robb e...@robbmob.com writes: There's no “fair use” in trademark law AFAIK. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trademark+law+fair+usel=1 (Leads to URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law)) Okay, so it seems (according to Wikipedia) that the USA does recognise a “trademark fair

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-17 Thread Eion Robb
I believe repacking upstream tarball to exclude logos is the way to go. You'll also want to remove the MSN/AIM/etc logos from Pidgin/Empathy/etc too, since they obviously fall into the same legal grey area. Unless they're considered fair use then everything should be good to go.

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-14 Thread Michael Below
Hi, Luca Falavigna wrote: Skype’s trade marks and trade dress may not be used in connection with any product or service that is not Skype’s, in any manner that is likely to cause confusion among customers pidgin-skype is a third-party software, not provided or associated with

Re: Skype/Facebook trademark logos in Debian packages

2009-11-14 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:53:17 +0100 Luca Falavigna wrote: When looking for possible sponsorship for pidgin-skype package (see [1], and follow-up messages), I looked at the images located under icons/ directory, they are very similar (if not perfectly identical) to Skype trademark logos, whose