Re: Thoughts about src-dep implementation

1999-10-28 Thread Joey Hess
Chris Waters wrote: > Also, this would rely on "debian/rules clean" completely reversing the > effect of a build, and I can tell you right now, this was not true of > *any* package I have adopted, and is still not true of at least one > package I'm currently maintaining (haven't had time, plus ther

Re: persistence of /usr/doc/$pkg (Was: debhelper: /usr/doc problems again)

1999-10-28 Thread Juergen A. Erhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > "Chris" == Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [SNIP] Chris> The sysadmin is really supposed to stick to /usr/local and Chris> /etc (and maybe /opt). I have to admit that I've been Chris> seriously tempted to just silently del

Bug#43651: ACCEPTED] mailbox locking

1999-10-28 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Any progress on this, by any chance? I didn't hear from Miquel... But I think, that your adaption in debian-policy 3.1.0pre1 is okay. > There was a suggested implementation in the bug report; should that > go in policy as a footnote? I think this will

Re: [bi]weekly policy summary

1999-10-28 Thread Pedro Guerreiro
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 11:02:29PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Permit/require use of bz2 for source packages (#39299) > * Under discussion. > * Proposed on 10 Jun 1999 by Chris Lawrence; seconded by Goswin > Brederlow, Josip Rodin and Josip Rodin. ^^^

Re: Thoughts about src-dep implementation

1999-10-28 Thread Chris Waters
Roman Hodek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >The problem with this: Currently the .dsc is built before >compiling, and thus the Build-* fields have to be known before >dpkg-shlibdeps is run. But there's an easy solution (IMHO): Why >don't we build the source package after the binaries?

Re: Packaging Manual is policy

1999-10-28 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I think, then, there are a few things that should be moved > from the packaging to the policy manual. Agreed. But I think we should not rush this, and should go through the normal amendment process for these, with the only difference being we already have the tex

Bug#43651: ACCEPTED] mailbox locking

1999-10-28 Thread Julian Gilbey
Any progress on this, by any chance? There was a suggested implementation in the bug report; should that go in policy as a footnote? Julian > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > I am about to include this amendment in policy. However, I am stuck > > with the wording, as you say

Bug#39830: AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

1999-10-28 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Darren O. Benham wrote: > > + There must be a manual page at least for every program. If > > + no manual page is available, this is considered as a bug and > > + should be reported to the bug tracking system (the > > + maintainer of the package is allowed to d

Bug#48570: debian-policy: policy is /usr/share/doc, but debian-policy is in /usr/doc!

1999-10-28 Thread Julian Gilbey
> Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.0.1.1 > Severity: normal > > The docs contained in /usr/doc/debian-policy state that docs should go > in /usr/share/doc/. > > If any package should comply with policy, it's debian-policy! True, but the Project Leader asked us to wait with the /usr/doc -> /us

Bug#39830: AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

1999-10-28 Thread Darren O. Benham
On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 04:26:50PM +0200, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: > severity 39830 normal > retitle 39830 [AMENDMENT 28/10/1999] get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks > thanks > > I proposed to change the "Manual pages" section of our policy to get > rid of the undocumented(7) symlinks. > > This pr

Processed: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

1999-10-28 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > severity 39830 normal Bug#39830: debian-policy: [PROPOSED]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks Severity set to `normal'. > retitle 39830 [AMENDMENT 28/10/1999] get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks Bug#39830: debian-policy: [PROPOSED]: get rid of undocu

Bug#39830: AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

1999-10-28 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
severity 39830 normal retitle 39830 [AMENDMENT 28/10/1999] get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks thanks I proposed to change the "Manual pages" section of our policy to get rid of the undocumented(7) symlinks. This proposal was seconded by Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-28 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > You might want to check out how dpkg actually unpacks the control.tar.gz, > if memory serves me it uses tar without chroot to do it, which means that > control.tar.gz could easially contain /bin/sh or something equally nasty.. It uses an internal tar-implementat

Bug#48570: debian-policy: policy is /usr/share/doc, but debian-policy is in /usr/doc!

1999-10-28 Thread Paul Slootman
Package: debian-policy Version: 3.0.1.1 Severity: normal The docs contained in /usr/doc/debian-policy state that docs should go in /usr/share/doc/. If any package should comply with policy, it's debian-policy! Paul Slootman -- System Information Debian Release: potato Kernel Version: Linux pcpa

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-28 Thread Joel Klecker
At 11:42 +0200 1999-10-28, Santiago Vila wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Joel Klecker wrote: At 14:42 +0200 1999-10-27, Santiago Vila wrote: > I doubt gcc works without ldso ;-) Sure it does, it's not a libc5 executable. Ooops! I forgot that libc6 uses its own dynamic linker. Why is ldso still e

Re: Draft policy 3.1.0.0 now available

1999-10-28 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
> Joseph Carter writes: JC> 1999 at 10:56:45PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: >> > * FHS compliant location of examples (closes: #42849) >> >> I don't think we have a consensus on this one, though as the >> proiposer, I'll be happy if no one agrees. :-) JC> I don't agree with you. => I'd say

Re: Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Paul" == Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> Maybe the role of policy is primarily oriented towards Paul> delivering a stable base system and maybe that doesn't apply Paul> any more when you start modifying things and building things on Paul> your own. Your machine, you

Re: Bug#43928: libc and kernel source policy

1999-10-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Paul" == Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> Recently I built the latest X for slink and did so by installing Paul> kernel-headers (2.2.12) and the "legacy" symlinks for Paul> /usr/include/(asm,linux). Seems X needed some constants for support of Paul> newer hardware.

Re: Packaging Manual is policy

1999-10-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> Julian Gilbey wrote: >> Reading bug #31645, it seems clear that the Packaging Manual was >> accepted as policy, although Joey had reservations. >> >> Should I go ahead and make the modifications Manoj proposed? Joey> I continue to

Re: Thoughts about src-dep implementation

1999-10-28 Thread Roman Hodek
> > - dpkg-source extracts the Build-* fields from the .dsc and writes > >them to debian/build-depends. > > Sounds a bit too much like magic for me. It should not be necessary to make > such wiggles to build a package succesfully. By all means make this > optional. Working from the dsc is fi

Re: Thoughts about src-dep implementation

1999-10-28 Thread Roman Hodek
> I wonder though, if we are going to do this if it might not make > sense to rethink the whold sourcepackage-format we have now anyway. I think both things are independent. If we go for what I proposed, you still can exchange dpkg-source (the script) to do something more elaborted than now. > I

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-28 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Joel Klecker wrote: > > > At 14:42 +0200 1999-10-27, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > I doubt gcc works without ldso ;-) > > > > Sure it does, it's not a libc5 executable. > > Ooops! I forgot that libc6 uses its own dynamic linker. > Wh

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-28 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Joel Klecker wrote: > At 14:42 +0200 1999-10-27, Santiago Vila wrote: > > I doubt gcc works without ldso ;-) > > Sure it does, it's not a libc5 executable. Ooops! I forgot that libc6 uses its own dynamic linker. Why is ldso still essential, then? Maybe it should be just req

Re: Build-depends => change policy wording

1999-10-28 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote: > No. "depend" includes Pre-Depends, [...] Ooops! You are right. -- "cdfdd1fe6bf1e8b667d6507e233f92ae" (a truly random sig)

Re: Source dependencies: are we ready?

1999-10-28 Thread Joel Klecker
At 14:42 +0200 1999-10-27, Santiago Vila wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 03:50:06AM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote: > ldso ? Do you need this to compile a Hello World? I doubt gcc works without ldso ;-) Sure it does, it's not a libc5 executable

Bug#44922: PROPOSAL] handling missing stuff in /usr/local

1999-10-28 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:38:35PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > + However, because '/usr/local' and its contents are for > > > + exclusive use of the local administrator, a package must > > > + not rely on the presence or absence of files of > >

Re: Draft policy 3.1.0.0 now available

1999-10-28 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 10:56:45PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > * FHS compliant location of examples (closes: #42849) > > I don't think we have a consensus on this one, though as the proiposer, I'll > be happy if no one agrees. :-) I don't agree with you. => I'd say it's got a nice consensus.

Re: Thoughts about src-dep implementation

1999-10-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 02:46:45PM +0200, Roman Hodek wrote: > > - dpkg-source extracts the Build-* fields from the .dsc and writes >them to debian/build-depends. Sounds a bit too much like magic for me. It should not be necessary to make such wiggles to build a package succesfully. By

Re: Build dependencies: some thoughts

1999-10-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 03:17:52PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Firstly, that if we are now demanding build-time dependencies, we are > asking maintainers to do a *lot* of work. (This took me about 2 > hours, maybe a little bit more.) We ought to think of a better way of > performing this task i

Re: [bi]weekly policy summary

1999-10-28 Thread Joseph Carter
On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 11:02:29PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Echo -n (#48247) > * Proposed by Raul Miller. > * Amend policy to say /bin/sh must be a POSIX shell, but with the > addition that "echo -n" must not generate a newline. Ugh, I hadn't realized POSIX doesn't specify echo -n has to

Re: [ANNOUNCE] experiemental dpkg available

1999-10-28 Thread Michael Beattie
[snip cool stuff] > > Known problems, each .deb signed requires you to enter your passphrase > twice (once for each member), which get's really old after the second or > third package. Any help with getting around this would be nice. Also note > that I plan on adding signature checking to dpkg-deb

[ANNOUNCE] experiemental dpkg available

1999-10-28 Thread Ben Collins
Sorry for the cross-post, but this is relevant to several groups, and I wanted to be sure and hit them all. I have uploaded an experiemental dpkg (1.5.90, which is a pre 1.6.0). It is mainly testing of unstable features (outlined below). Some of these features are in regard to some current policy

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Let me give another good reason why using a uncompress.sh script is > something I will never accept: it means that unpacking a package in > an arbitrary location is no longer a guaranteed safe action, since > uncompress.sh could do something nasty.

Re: Build dependencies: some thoughts

1999-10-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 03:17:52PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > Finally, a small point. It may be worth stating that if a package is > required to satisfy an (install-time) dependency of a listed > dependency, then it does not need to be listed itself. Although, > having said this, I think this

Re: Suggestion to and how to alow different compression for .debs

1999-10-28 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously sparc porters wrote: > For this reason, we should not allow arbitrary compression tools to be > used. Let me give another good reason why using a uncompress.sh script is something I will never accept: it means that unpacking a package in an arbitrary location is no longer a guaranteed s