Re: error in a link for Downlading netinstal CD

2005-12-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 22 December 2005 14:34, Alvin T. P. Brodbeck wrote: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ If I like to Download the 3.1r1, I got the following link to Download: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i3 86-netinst.iso Links have

Re: Experiment: poll on switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 22 December 2005 22:53, Gunnar Wolf wrote: The problem with this is that popcon tends to be self-selecting for fan-boys. I don't know why it was dropped (in the back of my head I hear a little voice telling it was buggy or something No, the reason was a rewrite of tasksel to

Fwd: Re: Bug#345067: Draft of documenting the ide-generic problem

2006-03-08 Thread Frans Pop
Hmm. I sent a followup to #345067 that is currently assigned to the ctte and received the mail below from debian-ctte-request. Looks like something is misconfigured. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Bug#345067: Draft of documenting the ide-generic problem Date: Wednesday

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#345067: Draft of documenting the ide-generic problem

2006-03-08 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 16:34, Loïc Minier wrote: To post to the committee mailing list you must either be subscribed to the list from your posting address, or PGP-sign your message Fine, but I did not post to the ctte list. I followed up to a bug report that is assigned to them and that

Re: Question to all candidates about stable point releases

2006-03-08 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 08 March 2006 13:37, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: How about instead dominating the news tickers by reporting more noteworthy news? Debian launches beta of new graphical installer is a very noteworthy news item IMHO. Compare what really happened when g-i had its first test release:

Re: REMOVE FROM NEWS

2006-03-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 16 March 2006 11:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you please send me email how to remove from your list because I have sent many emails on this now one respond it. I hope so you would do this for me. I've answered a previous mail from this person on the same subject. Cheers, FJP

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 19 March 2006 14:39, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.03.19.1416 +0100]: I don't want future employers to be able to google about my bugs. http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt Mh. Our bug database is also a source of information... why

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 11:44, JC Helary wrote: There is a huge confusion between being a developer and having technical rights, and being a developer and having political rights. I seriously do wonder why translators, if they really want to get the developer status, don't get together and

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 13:14, JC Helary wrote: I am not sure what point you are trying to make ? The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like translators are waiting for the mountain to come to them (change procedures, make entry easier). It does not work like that: you have to go to

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:27, JC Helary wrote: Besides, the systematic use of developer is also confusing and to clarify things should be replaced my member as is also hinted in the same document. You cannot change the word developer to member without changing the Debian Constitution [1]

Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-06 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 06 April 2006 23:55, Erinn Clark wrote: Do you mean this question? (Actually about ld, but it's the closest one I found that seemed appropriately irrelevant.) I3. What is the -Bsymbolic ld flag, exactly what does it do, and how that differs from library symbol versioning? What

wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-04-19 Thread Frans Pop
The debian-www list regularly sees bug reports [1] and mails about the wiki, which no-one really takes responsibility for as debian-www is about www.d.o and not wiki.d.o and in general different people are involved. So, IMO there are two solutions: 1) people involved in setting up wiki.d.o

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-04-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 20 April 2006 08:29, Martin Schulze wrote: Technically the wiki is operated by debian-admin. For serious problems, please drop debian-admin a note. Patches in coordination with the python moin wiki maintainer are welcome. Patches that will be overwritten when a new version gets

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-04-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 30 April 2006 22:32, Paul Johnson wrote: Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is these days than IRC. Just to prove you wrong: what the hell is Jabber? pgpOAzzLTRw7r.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: About terminology for stable/testing/unstable

2006-05-01 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 01 May 2006 10:10, Christian Perrier wrote: My personal opinion is that we should maybe use branch rather than distribution to avoid that confusion. This is what the French team is considering (there are some people who object to this, though). One problem with branches is that you

Re: Issues regarding powerpc and Sven

2006-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 15 May 2006 06:18, Anthony Towns wrote: It means that if you wish to continue maintaining them, you need to do so independently of the Debian Install System Team, which is listed as the current maintainer, and of which you are no longer a member. If you wish to consult with your

Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

2006-06-18 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 18 June 2006 19:41, MJ Ray wrote: - Sven has powerpc skills which look vital to d-i and haven't been replaced; They have been replaced as far as possible and a call for extra help has been sent out several times to the d-powerpc list and has even been published in DWN. We have

Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

2006-06-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 10:42, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: So to back up your assertion that I couldn't possibly have missed it could you please provide some references to the lots of times it's apparently been mentioned before? AFAIK it has previously only been posted in the open bug

Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

2006-06-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:52, Ean Schuessler wrote: I agree that Sven overstepped the limits of good taste in his list conduct. I also see why Sven would snap a twig over #d-i killing the PPC install. That is a pretty radical step. Bah. That is a gross overexaggeration. No arch has been

Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

2006-06-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 20:50, you wrote: That is where I have a spot of confusion. No one seems to deny the fact that Sven plays a critical role in producing the PPC port of the installer. It frames his antics in a different light if his contributions have been minimal. To be honest I

Re: Update on compromise of gluck.debian.org, lock down of other debian.org machines

2006-07-13 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 13 July 2006 20:08, James Troup wrote: o Anyone who kept their (Debian) GPG secret key on gluck has had their account locked and key removed from the keyring. Should a check/review be done of recent (staring from the date that first account was compromised I would guess)

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 29 July 2006 14:39, Loïc Minier wrote: - introduction of udebs for a new feature of the installer (for example, support of wifi drivers on a separate media, a team would add udebs to the relevant packages, and change the relevant d-i packages to support this) To be

Website translation without pserver access (was: login problem)

2006-07-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 30 July 2006 04:26, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: Is there a way to non-DDs to update the webwml tree (or get tarballs like Raphael did for debian-admin)? I have made tarballs available on: http://people.debian.org/~fjp/webwml/ See the text at the bottom of that page

Re: Packages awaiting proposed-updates moderation

2006-08-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 10:50, Loïc Minier wrote: I don't quite understand the various steps that a package traverses when uploaded to SPU. Is some document explaining that? In short, I would just like to understand the number of steps, the human-triggered transitions, and the public

[AMENDMENT] Now is not the time to decide on firmware issue

2006-09-26 Thread Frans Pop
*only quote the amendment itself* when you second it and don't forget to sign your mail. Cheers, Frans Pop START OF AMENDMENT == Considering that: (1) The current discussion about what to do with sourceless firmware is muddled

Re: possible solution for open source-closed source-problem?

2006-11-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 20:51, Oleg Verych wrote: I didn't read further. Which is a pity as he actually makes some valid suggestions that have been brought up in discussions before. pgpYLvWm4MPrG.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Sven Luther, report of the mediation attempt and further actions

2007-01-03 Thread Frans Pop
This is probably going to lead to a demand to get me banned, but TBH, I don't give a damn. On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:42, Sven Luther wrote: And Frans doesn't read private ? Well, to bad for him, you did manage to read the sentence where i wrote I ask the permission to take Frans email

Re: Debian Logo Use

2007-01-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 11 January 2007 00:24, Tony Hunt wrote: Ive seen this web page a few times and could not help wonder what the relationship was to the Debian project. Is this the Debian Logo being used ? Maybee someone at Debian should look at this .. http://www.elcom.gr/sv2agw/ Unfortunately the

Re: Unsubscription

2007-02-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 11 February 2007 09:32, gunnar wrote: How to carry out unsubscription of the debian,project.lists? Attempts to do this are answered by the Debian organisation, claiming that I am not registerred under the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], although they carry on sending me messages under

Re: Packages

2007-02-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 15 February 2007 00:15, joseph irvin wrote: I would like to try Debian Linux, but don't know which packages I need. Which packages would you recommend for the average user, including internet, photos, email, word processing, and music? The best thing to do is probably to download

Re: Bug#410129: installation-guide: minor fix for section 1.1 _What is Debian_

2007-02-16 Thread Frans Pop
I'd appreciate some advise/suggestions about the bug report below. I agree with Francesco that Debian does not necessarily promote the ideals of the Free Software _Foundation_. However, others are probably more aware of the historical context. I am also unsure if replacing that by ideals of

Debian Installer babelbox updated for Etch

2007-02-19 Thread Frans Pop
For those that would like to demonstrate Debian at events, one option is to set up a Debian Installer babelbox. The babelbox is a stand-alone machine that will continuously run fully automated installations in various languages using both the graphical and the textual installer. Between each

Re: Svensk installationsmanual; Swedish Installationsguide

2007-03-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 02 March 2007 19:15, Erik Gustafsson wrote: Vart har den svenska installationsmanualen tagit vägen? Where has the Swedish Installationsguide gone? - http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/index.html.sv - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/doc/installation-guide-i386 -

Re: Error in debian-31r5-ia64-netinst.iso (was: Re: Cd debian-31r5-ia64-netinst.iso com erro)

2007-03-05 Thread Frans Pop
(Please do not CC debian-project on this from now on.) On Tuesday 06 March 2007 03:38, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: Marco is reporting that the debian-31r5-ia64-netinst.iso has a correct MD5 but he is find 27 errors in the MD5 verification of the recorded CD. He tried the

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-12 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 23 February 2007 03:13, Anthony Towns wrote: I'm trying to be descriptive here rather than prescriptive or proscriptive [...] I appreciate the clear overview of the current status. I would also like to say that I feel the people currently holding positions in the various teams are

Re: notable Debian contributions in 2006

2007-03-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 26 March 2007 04:08, Daniel Stone wrote: The X Consortium is quite old, yes, and x.org as a domain name has been around for quite some time. Wow, the first mail in this thread that's anywhere near interesting and worth reading. Thanks Daniel! pgpvBcM1sMWb2.pgp Description: PGP

BTS spam today: mailing lists archives cleaned

2007-04-03 Thread Frans Pop
in cleaning the archives this time is that it is unlikely that (m)any links to valid posts had been created yet. On behalf of the list masters, Frans Pop [1] In some exceptional cases mails have been replaced by a placeholder mail. pgprayLfha6w0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?

2007-04-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 03:34, Charles Plessy wrote: I propose another idea: having a major.minor release scheme in which we guarantee the upgrade path from major.x to major+1.0, and from one minor release to the other. One big obstacle common to all these directions is to find a

Re: Optical disk cover

2007-04-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 19 April 2007 19:25, Philippe Cloutier wrote: Does anyone know of any graphic/web work available on the debian project? Definitely. Others already proposed several things, I think we also don't have any optical disk cover for Debian 4... We do have some; see recent postings in

Dropping sparc32 for Lenny (was: Scheduling linux-2.6 2.6.21-[23])

2007-05-18 Thread Frans Pop
(Resending as I forgot to change the subject. Sorry about that.) On Friday 18 May 2007 12:18, Bastian Blank wrote: I'd like to schedule the linux-2.6 2.6.21-[23] upload for today. Fixes: [...] - sparc32 deprecation? No fix yet for the cmpxchg problem. This would have a serious implication

Re: Scheduling linux-2.6 2.6.21-[23]

2007-05-18 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 18 May 2007 12:18, Bastian Blank wrote: I'd like to schedule the linux-2.6 2.6.21-[23] upload for today. Fixes: [...] - sparc32 deprecation? No fix yet for the cmpxchg problem. This would have a serious implication for Debian Installer as we'd also have to drop support for sparc32

Re: Dropping sparc32 for Lenny (was: Scheduling linux-2.6 2.6.21-[23])

2007-05-18 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 18 May 2007 14:05, Bastian Blank wrote: I have to acknowledge the message from Dave[1]. Until there is a new kernel upstream it may be possible to compile it but it is impossible to fix real problems. Yes, I completely agree with that. However, when you casually propose to

Re: Change of the debian code-name base?

2007-05-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 26 May 2007 16:47, Torsten Trautwein wrote: On 5/26/07, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not, but then I'm not a fan of the Simpsons... So maybe you've got a suggestion we both and maybe the majority of the Debian community likes? No, not really. I suggest we just

Re: Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-06-01 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 01 June 2007 14:06, Sam Hocevar wrote: I'd prefer we didn't use the word punishment, because punishing is certainly not what Debian should do; Debian needs to protect itself from threats, and this protection might mean expulsion, suspension or other unfortunate measures, but they

Re: Cancellazione Domanda

2007-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 29 June 2007 14:18, Luca Brivio wrote: (He says to have already requested the removal of two emails from the official archive, sent with two different address (one is arguably his old address, the other isn't), both of which are different from his current email address, and makes

Re: message from Sven Luther

2007-06-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 29 June 2007 15:51, Robert Millan wrote: Please note that this message doesn't imply agreement with his methods. I'm merely the messenger, so don't blame me. OTOH, I can understand why a person who has been forcibly silenced would react this way. I don't think you can say I'm merely

Re: New page (for the website) informing about the Debian trademark

2007-07-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 July 2007 17:26, Jens Seidel wrote: comitee or comittee? committee even :-) pgpIUBdnkry1R.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Latest Stable Debian Release 4.0r1 Etch

2007-10-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 October 2007, Wayne Cam wrote: I searched the whole website, and googled for the Kernel version of Etch, but couldn't find it. Could you tell me what linux kernel it is? The obvious document to read is the Release Notes:

Re: Latest Stable Debian Release 4.0r1 Etch

2007-10-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 03 October 2007, you wrote: On 10/3/07, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 October 2007, Wayne Cam wrote: I searched the whole website, and googled for the Kernel version of Etch, but couldn't find it. Could you tell me what linux kernel

Re: CDD? (was Re: Bhutan releases Dzongkha Debian Linux)

2007-10-13 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 13 October 2007, Philippe Cloutier wrote: Congratulations, but is this a CDD? AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified packages, mainly because (program) translations for Dzongkha are not (yet) available in Debian Etch. They also have some minor

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Frans Pop
that is always the subject of controversy and complaints, would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Frans Pop signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to the existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) is going to resolve all the huge and structural communication problems between team members that we

Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year to be set up by DSA. I don't know if there's an RT ticket, but there is a bug [2] about this, which was closed

Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Luk Claes wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:32:40AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: http://release.debian.org/etch_arch_qualify.html lists that alpha, mips and mipsel a having buildd redundancy, but that does not seem to match reality as both only have a single buildd

Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel

2007-11-29 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Luk Claes wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:01:54PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: James Andrewartha a écrit : Not a buildd, but [1] notes that there's an alpha porting machine waiting for more than a year

Re: .ISO cd, dvd, jigdo amd64 lenny is not avaliable

2007-12-11 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 11 December 2007, Bruno Emmanuel wrote: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-cd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ .ISO cd, dvd, jigdo amd64 lenny is not avaliable This is a known issue due to some problems with the daily builds of

Re: source-codes complete downloadable ???

2007-12-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 17 December 2007, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Carl-Valentin Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can I download the sourcecodes of debian packages complete in a bundle??? No, you can't. A tarball containing all source packages available on ftp.debian.org would be about 40 GB big.

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: Lars Wirzenius, Stefano Zacchiroli and myself are trying to introduce the concept of Debian Enhancement Proposals, which I had in mind for many months until purely by chance, in the Extremadura QA meeting last December, I brought it up to

Re: dopewars do we need such a game in debian distribution?

2008-02-27 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 27 February 2008, Francois Marier wrote: You have a good point: dopewars, despite being fun to a lot of people, is not exactly a family-friendly game. I suggest you look at this Debian sub-project if you are looking for a child-safe distribution:

Re: CD purchases

2008-03-11 Thread Frans Pop
their web sites for details on pricing and shipping costs. Kind regards, Frans Pop signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Debian 3.1 Sarge

2008-04-21 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 21 April 2008, Thiemann Daniel wrote: i am searching für a download link für Debian 3.1 Sarge. Could you help me, cause i didnt find it. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Cheers, FJP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: KDEquestion

2008-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 22 May 2008 20:33:25 Sergio Franco wrote: I am completely new to Linux. For long years I was a MacOS user and now I will move forward. From all I red Debian is the best choice. I downloaded the Debian/PowerPC_etch FIRST CD and I red with close attention the “Debian GNU/Linux

Re: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer Uploads (NMUs)

2008-05-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 30 May 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: the DEP says: - must use BTS, - usage of DELAYED is recommended. I would like to see at least two cases where communication with the maintainer is required *before* uploading (DELAYED or not) by sending an intend to NMU (conform current policy

Re: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer?Uploads (NMUs)

2008-05-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 30 May 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: But in the situation you mention above, I don't think there's anything wrong with actually preparing an NMU (except that you may be wasting time, but that's your own problem).  So no reasons are needed for it. I find your argumentation rather weak, but

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I propose to add NMUs are usually not appropriate for team-maintained packages. Consider sending a patch to the BTS instead. to the bullet list. It really depends on the team. There are small teams where all members might become unresponsive

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Luk Claes wrote: All members of a team becoming unresponsive is possible, agreed. But it is a hell of a lot less likely than at least one member of the team being able to respond to urgently needed changes if appropriately notified. So, why should there be any

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: * Have you clearly expressed your intention to NMU, at least on the BTS? Has the maintainer been notified of it? It is also a good idea to try to contact the maintainer by other means (private email, IRC) IMO private mail is

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Luk Claes wrote: Ok, though I'd rather have a (strong) recommendation to prod maintainers (in a team or not), then to special case teams... Sure. For me it is not necessarily about teams, but more about active: likely to respond and take care of urgent issues

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: So far, you (in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Charles Plessy ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) raised that concern. Sure, but Steve Langasek, Manoj and Frank Küster have been voicing what are basically the same concerns. On

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 31 May 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I also stressed that in the intro, and removed the second paragraph of the intro, which didn't really add any value. Agreed. +    * If the maintainer is usually active and responsive, have you +      tried to contact him? In general it should be

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: Basically I and several others have been asking to add something that effectively (and more explicitly than in the current proposal) says: Please consider before you NMU if just contacting the maintainer isn't likely to more effective than

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: What is the difference for the maintainer between these? Not the time required for M; in all cases, the most M needs to do to prevent the NMU from happening is writing a mail to N (and the BTS). The only difference is what to say (please cancel the

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-02 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: No, I don't, I agree with you that this would be unacceptable. Right, and that is where our opinions _do_ differ fundamentally. You don't agree that I agree with you? OK, I misread that. Sorry. The fundamental thing we disagree on is that you

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 02 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: The fundamental thing we disagree on is that you think creating a patch and doing an immediate upload to DELAYED is an acceptable workflow for any kind of issue. Yes. Not recommended, but certainly acceptable. With a long delay, of course. My

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Bas Wijnen wrote: I would of course do that. But you do indeed ask me to hide the package? And after, say, 3 weeks have passed and nothing happened (which is unlikely, but possible), I can upload it to DELAYED/7? Then why couldn't I upload to DELAYED/28 in the first

Re: DEP1: how to do an NMU

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: No matter what is done, there is a time limit for the review of patches which fix RC bugs, whether stated or not. If a maintainer is unable to respond to a patch for an RC bug in a reasonable timeframe, they should expect an NMU. It matters little

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 16 November 2008, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I think we can be reasonably sure that the current spate of discussions is about releasing Lenny. For this action, any of the ballot options will have a distinct decision; and the ballot should have _all_ the possible courses of

Re: More frequent dinstall runs and mirror pushes

2008-12-05 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 05 December 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: as the subject says, we are planning to increase the frequency of dinstall[1] runs. Our current plan is to have 4 runs a day, switching From the current [07|19]:52 schedule to the new [01|07|13|19]:52 schedule. All times are in UTC. Please be

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

2008-12-15 Thread Frans Pop
If you feel disenchanted about how the Lenny GR has been handled and, in particular, with the resulting ballot and its 7 options, I invite you to participate in this unofficial vote and, optionally, to show your discontent by ranking Further Discussion above all other options in the official

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

2008-12-15 Thread Frans Pop
(Adding -project and including full quote of dato's reply (excluding signature) as that was not sent to that list.) * Frans Pop [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:23:00 +0100]: How does this help? The only effect of voting FD on the official vote is to play into the hands of those who don't want any

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

2008-12-22 Thread Frans Pop
Sorry for the late reply, but I've been so frustrated with things over the past week that I decided to take a break and see how things worked out first. On Monday 15 December 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: * Frans Pop [Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:09:28 +0100]: Because any votes below FD do not count

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-30 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: this will mean that future GRs would need 30 other people to support your idea. While that does seem a lot (6times more than now), The main reason I'm somewhat uncomfortable with this is that in practice not all 1000 developers participate in a

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 12 January 2009, Robert Millan wrote: Nope. You only got that impression because the ones supporting this interpretation are the ones making the most noise. Could you please count the number of your posts and compare that to the number of posts from anybody else? Could you also

Re: Spamming the World through Open Debian Mailinglists (Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you)

2009-01-27 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Simon Huggins wrote: They don't contain much information and don't talk about thresholds Thank you for fixing these to actually have information in them now. 1 bounce out of 190 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%) Might I suggest you only send them out

Re: Question about the amount of security updates available

2009-02-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 16 February 2009, Thomas Nguyen Van wrote: In our company, we hourly check security updates via the command apt-get update for several months. You may have noticed that Lenny was released this weekend. It seems to me that your /etc/apt/sources.list is probably not set up correctly

Re: Question about the amount of security updates available

2009-02-16 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 16 February 2009, Thomas Nguyen Van wrote: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free ^^ That was exactly the problem. Your modified version looks correct. Cheers, FJP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: Being part of the project, particularly with upload rights, is something I believe _should_ be difficult. This restriction on access to the archive is one of our strengths, it gives us a higher quality of packaging (yes, there are exceptions,

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Leo 'costela' Antunes wrote: IMHO that's a false notion of security through laziness :). Black hats are lazy too. They go after easy targets for maximum profit. Getting into Debian currently takes a certain amount of demonstrated dedication to the project through

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Micah Anderson wrote: All of this is just fun wingnut ramblings, but I think serves to illustrate that the artificial barrier imposed by the arduous NM process is not that significant of a difficulty for getting inside Debian and we cannot use this as mechanism for

Re: Debian Membership

2009-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Enrico Zini wrote: Yes, and there are cheaper ways than getting the black hat to become a full DD: with a thousand of DDs we have a thousand possibly vulnerable points of entry. Frankly, if anyone wanted to attack Debian, they'd have to be remarkably silly to plan

Re: Wish list regarding install

2009-03-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 15 March 2009, m...@iglou.com wrote: In the future, it would be very, very, very, very, very nice if there was an install option to install/reinstall Grub. Currently, the install process will not install/reinstall Grub without having the core packages installed first. I am using

Re: state of the DSA nation

2009-03-28 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 28 March 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: [note to -project readers: this mail was written with -admin as an intended audience in mind and not you, but I figured I'd CC you anyways. Please excuse the style and terseness of some items.] Thanks! It's nice to have some sort of idea

Twittering on planet.d.o?

2009-04-07 Thread Frans Pop
(Luk BCCed to make sure he sees the thread.) It appears that today either Luk himself or someone else added a Status feed to planet.d.o with one-liner info messages about what Luk's up to. These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them b) they don't

Re: Twittering on planet.d.o?

2009-04-07 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Luk Claes wrote: These messages have already started to annoy me as a) there are relatively a lot of them There are only a few per day maximum from me. If there were more that reached you today it's probably because it contained the whole feed up to now. I

Re: Issue during compilation

2009-04-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 10 April 2009, Thomas Nguyen Van wrote: Package perl is not installed. Below my perl's list installed on my machine: Which clearly shows the package perl is not installed! Solution: aptitude install perl Please take such questions to the debian-user list in future.

Re: where are all Debian SPARC install CDs/DVDs?

2009-04-17 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 18 April 2009, Marcello Di Marino Azevedo wrote: Hello, I'm not sure this is the correct list to ask this but I was askedto install Debian on a Sparc machine but not all CDs/DVDs are available to download under main download server. Looking at:

Re: state of the DSA nation

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: == s390 == we have two porterboxes here. zelenka is new and fast and has nice network but is a little short on disk space. raptor has more diskspace but the network is too restricted - we can't even get to our puppet master from it and

Re: state of the DSA nation

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009, Frans Pop wrote: On Friday 15 May 2009, Peter Palfrader wrote: == s390 == we have two porterboxes here. zelenka is new and fast and has nice network but is a little short on disk space. raptor has more

Re: Who uses @packages.d.o mail?

2009-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 22 May 2009, Stephen Gran wrote: So I've looked through a few weeks of mail logs to packages.debian.org, I always use it to CC the maintainer(s) of a package I reassign a bug to, or if I want to CC a package maintainer on some discussion. For me it's the most natural address to use,

Re: Who uses @packages.d.o mail?

2009-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 22 May 2009, Neil Williams wrote: Maybe a list of packages that do use it and an address to email for those who want to start using it at a later date? That would defeat its purpose. It is not about which maintainers use it, but about who uses it to contact maintainers. Cheers, FJP

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