Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ángel (2020-08-14 22:57:32) > On 2020-08-14 at 20:27 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Seems we are talking about several things here: > > > > a) trusting an identity _without_ relying on governmental proof > > > > b) proving an identity using fake governmental proof > > > > It is my

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-14 Thread Ángel
On 2020-08-14 at 20:27 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Seems we are talking about several things here: > > a) trusting an identity _without_ relying on governmental proof > > b) proving an identity using fake governmental proof > > It is my understanding that a) is illegal and punishable in

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Adrian Bunk (2020-08-14 18:33:06) > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:23:58PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:03:00PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:08:01PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > > >> I think the point about fake idenity documents

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:23:58PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:03:00PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:08:01PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > >> I think the point about fake idenity documents is, it being a criminal > >> activity and make one

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:59:47PM +0200, Christian Kastner wrote: > On 2020-08-13 21:03, Adam Borowski wrote: > > I don't think someone could possibly be prosecuted for using a fake passport > > to obtain a gpg signature. > But even if it weren't a crime: Once the person waving the fake ID is >

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2020-08-13 21:03, Adam Borowski wrote: > I don't think someone could possibly be prosecuted for using a fake passport > to obtain a gpg signature. In many (if not most) jurisdictions, using a fake government ID for any transaction whatsoever is a crime. It's not tied to monetary or any other

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 09:03:00PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:08:01PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: >> I think the point about fake idenity documents is, it being a criminal >> activity and make one liable for prosecution. So it is not just about >> immediate cost of

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Ángel
On 2020-08-13 at 17:57 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 02:59:59AM +0200, Ángel wrote: > > as there would be an external motivation to do that which is financing > > such activity. Please note that by 'company' I am not meaning just > > business entities, but also three letter

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:08:01PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > I think the point about fake idenity documents is, it being a criminal > activity and make one liable for prosecution. So it is not just about > immediate cost of getting a fake id, but the is high risk if you are caught. > Not all

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Pirate Praveen
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 17:57, Adam Borowski wrote: I don't get where people get the feeling that producing a passport would require a TLA/nation state/organized crime/etc. You can get one for peanuts. I've been offered one once, and I inquired about the details -- for just ~$25

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 02:59:59AM +0200, Ángel wrote: > as there would be an external motivation to do that which is financing > such activity. Please note that by 'company' I am not meaning just > business entities, but also three letter agencies, nation states, > malicious hacker groups,

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-13 Thread Ángel
Thanks for the summary, Sam. As an 'amicus' of the project, and interested on these topics, I wanted to provide my 2 cents. First of all, you are not the only one with this situation. The issue arises from the vague meaning of a signature on a pgp key, and also appears on other venues when

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Sam Hartman (2020-08-12 13:59:07) > Enrico, I find that the sorts of discussions that you've started are > more valuable if someone goes back later and tries to summarize what > we've learned. > So I'm going to take a stab at that. Thanks, Sam - I find such summary quite helpful!

Re: Potential Summary: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

2020-08-12 Thread Sam Hartman
Enrico, I find that the sorts of discussions that you've started are more valuable if someone goes back later and tries to summarize what we've learned. So I'm going to take a stab at that. I don't think we were seeking a consensus, and we didn't find one. What we did find is a number of