Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Willi Mann
Even when there is no ABI/API change, packages that depend on Mozilla generally depend on exact version numbers. I do not know on which side the bug lies, but if you are saying that a new galeon package is not necessary when a compatible mozilla shows up, my experience is that this is very

Re: Importance of browser security (was: On Mozilla-* updates)

2005-08-03 Thread Jan Luehr
Greetings, Am Dienstag, 2. August 2005 10:57 schrieb Ben Bucksch: Stefano Salvi wrote: I prefer to have no X on the server and administer it from command line or Web interfaces (command line is better). Let's say 1. You use Mozilla from sarge 2. Somebody cracks you through known

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Alexander Sack
Willi Mann wrote: Even when there is no ABI/API change, packages that depend on Mozilla generally depend on exact version numbers. I do not know on which side the bug lies, but if you are saying that a new galeon package is not necessary when a compatible mozilla shows up, my experience is

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Jan Luehr
Greetings, Am Dienstag, 2. August 2005 12:39 schrieb Jeff: Joey, Working from the following assumptions: * it possible to include Mozilla in Debian stable, * extracting security patches from upstream is not practical, and ignoring the interesting, but extraneous threads, What

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Paul Gear
David Ehle wrote: ... What I don't want to see is this discussion drag on eternally on woe-is-me-they-wont-play-like-i-like-i-hate-change fashion, It's too late for that... ;-) -- Paul http://paulgear.webhop.net -- Did you know? Most email-borne viruses use a false sender address, so you

RE: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Mathieu JANIN
Hi. (excuse me in advance for my bad english or french barbarisms :) ) I was thinking about a policy for managing packages built around never patched softwares like Moz/FireFox. Volatile and Security repositories do not fit for that, everybody agrees with that. So: Sid version would try and

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Bucksch
antgel wrote: 2) Mozilla security patches are not easy to find and isolate. Ben has disputed this, saying that we should be able to extract all necessary patches. Public ones from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html then bugzilla, and embargoed ones via mdz.

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 01:01:40PM +0100, antgel wrote: You'll note that I _have_ volunteered, fwiw. So stop discussing and start doing... Mike Stone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 02:51:04PM +0200, Ben Bucksch wrote: antgel wrote: 2) Mozilla security patches are not easy to find and isolate. Ben has disputed this, saying that we should be able to extract all necessary patches. Public ones from

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 01:01:40PM +0100, antgel wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: You're welcome to attempt to convince the Mozilla project to change the way that they work for the benefit of distribution security teams. If I recall correctly, others have unsuccessfully attempted this in the

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff
What exactly breaks if the update to v1.06 is applied, as upstream recommends? I realise you are seeking a general solution. I believe that we need case specific information. This will enable us to evaluate any proposed general solutions, with the illumination of real facts. Actually, I see

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 06:51:59PM +0200, Ben Bucksch wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: Ben has now explained that this is in fact not sufficient. No, I have not. Please read again what I wrote. There is clearly a communication gap. And it's not on my end. You still haven't answered my

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Bucksch
Matt Zimmerman wrote: Ben has now explained that this is in fact not sufficient. No, I have not. Please read again what I wrote. There is clearly a communication gap. And it's not on my end. You still haven't answered my very specific questions about your problems and what you want.

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Thomas Bushnell BSG [Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:07:08 -0700]: It would be very nice if Mozilla would publish to distributions like ours a description of the security problem, and then a separate patch for that specific problem. Publish to distributions

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Mathieu JANIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking about a policy for managing packages built around never patched softwares like Moz/FireFox. Volatile and Security repositories do not fit for that, everybody agrees with that. What is wrong with volatile? It's for exactly this case.

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 August 2005 00:25, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: What is wrong with volatile? It's for exactly this case. No it is not. volatile-sloppy [1] may be (if that's implemented). [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00016.html pgpQYcm3oGbIO.pgp Description: PGP

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 04 August 2005 00:25, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: What is wrong with volatile? It's for exactly this case. No it is not. volatile-sloppy [1] may be (if that's implemented). [1]

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 04 August 2005 00:39, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 04 August 2005 00:25, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: What is wrong with volatile? It's for exactly this case. No it is not. volatile-sloppy [1] may be (if that's implemented). I

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 04 August 2005 00:39, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 04 August 2005 00:25, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: What is wrong with volatile? It's for exactly this case. No it is not. volatile-sloppy [1]

Re: On Mozilla-* updates

2005-08-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 03:25:37PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: What is wrong with volatile? It's for exactly this case. No, it's not. Mike Stone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]