Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Brian
On Fri 06 May 2011 at 11:54:28 +0300, George wrote: So the attacker needs to guess my private key instead of my password. How does that make his life more difficult, assuming my password was very strong? It is easy to construct a password which would take 10,000 years to guess or brute force.

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 09:06, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you could keep your public key with you on a USB drive and only put it on the computer when you need it, however I'm not sure how secure that would be :/ Something you have - thumb drive Something you know - the

Re: Customising Debian install

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 05 May 2011 21:08:05 +0100, Tom Furie wrote: On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 07:21:22PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 18:12:47 +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: For certain things like removing OpenOffice and replacing it with LibreOffice this approach works but is time consuming.

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:02, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote: No, the attacker needs to HAVE your private key and KNOW the pass phrase for that key. Assuming you keep your key secure and have a decent pass phrase his life should be very difficult indeed. Yes, but using that key on a

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Jochen Schulz
George: On 5/6/11, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: You can authenticate to an OpenSSH server using a password, or using a keyfile. On the client side, simply run 'ssh-keygen' to create a keypair. So the attacker needs to guess my private key instead of my password. Exactly.

Re: Elegant and Amazing Apps

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 05 May 2011 20:18:25 -0700, David wrote: I may be out of the loop on this. But I just discovered kupfer and was duly impressed. I generally stay away from launchers because, with the exception of gmrun, I find them over-stuffed and awkward. Although I can't get kupfer completely

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: You could run Debian Live on a USB stick (or any other live distro, really).  Boot your work machine with that, and you will have a trusted machine.  Use that to ssh to your home machine. I suppose this 'trusted machine' doesn't

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:43, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I'm prepared to be wrong here but, aren't the hosts.* configs just for inetd / xinetd and (possibly) portmap? And, IIRC, ssh installs as an init script on debian? Daemons can also be linked against libwrap. sshd is (ldd

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:57, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: The tinyurl server is giving a 500 error. Why on earth would you add an unreliable, third-party link to the already fragile chain of HTTP? It didn't then and it doesn't now. Still is for me. I for one do not want

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread CACook
On Friday 6 May, 2011 02:13:52 Brian wrote: A strong password is no less secure in brute force terms than a key so there is no reason to disallow it on those grounds. You can also be sure you have never left it at home or elsewhere. What you're missing is the difference between someone trying

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Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Brian
On Fri 06 May 2011 at 13:39:48 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: Could you please expand on this a bit please. I'm not sure that I understand the relevance. If there is some fine document that I should be reading then a link to it would be appreciated. I like to read the fine manual, but for this

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 14:45, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Could you please expand on this a bit please. I'm not sure that I understand the relevance. If there is some fine document that I should be reading then a link to it would be appreciated. I like to read the fine manual, but for

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Brian
On Fri 06 May 2011 at 13:48:23 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: However, keys are good to prevent brute-force attacks. Think of it like a 256-character password using the entire ASCII field. Also, keys are not susceptible to keyloggers. I'm unsure whether you mean 'prevent' because neither keys nor

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:23, George pinkisntw...@gmail.com wrote: No, the attacker needs to HAVE your private key and KNOW the pass phrase for that key. Assuming you keep your key secure and have a decent pass phrase his life should be very difficult indeed. He still needs to guess a string,

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 06 May 2011 14:02:47 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:57, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: The tinyurl server is giving a 500 error. Why on earth would you add an unreliable, third-party link to the already fragile chain of HTTP? It didn't then and it

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Brian
On Fri 06 May 2011 at 04:51:16 -0700, cac...@quantum-sci.com wrote: On Friday 6 May, 2011 02:13:52 Brian wrote: A strong password is no less secure in brute force terms than a key so there is no reason to disallow it on those grounds. You can also be sure you have never left it at home or

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:28, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Still is for me. It works here but anyway, you can use a TinyURL decoder: http://kiserai.net/turl.pl Still 500. That's a server error, not a network error. I'm surprised that it works for anybody. All I can think of here is

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread CACook
On Friday 6 May, 2011 05:15:23 Brian wrote: What you're missing is the difference between someone trying to hack from the client machine... and a remote script trying to brute-force your server. Big difference. No I'm not. But please explain the difference, bearing in mind the

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:08, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 06 May 2011 at 13:48:23 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: However, keys are good to prevent brute-force attacks. Think of it like a 256-character password using the entire ASCII field. Also, keys are not susceptible to keyloggers.

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread CACook
On Friday 6 May, 2011 05:08:52 Brian wrote: I'm unsure whether you mean 'prevent' because neither keys nor passwords can stop brute forcing attempts. If you mean a key (256 characters) is stronger than a password (20 characters) I'd agree. But the key is no more secure than the password. Not

Multiple instances of udev daemon?

2011-05-06 Thread Christopher Judd
Hi, Is it normal to have multiple instances of udev daemon running? user@gibbs:~/data/icp-ms/Routine/2011/Agilent7500$ ps aux | grep udev root 381 0.0 0.0 21424 848 ?Ss May05 0:00 udevd -- daemon root 7189 0.0 0.0 21420 472 ?SMay05 0:00

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Wolfgang Karall
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 01:08:52PM +0100, Brian wrote: Keyloggers would get the key passphrase too. And the USB stick would have its contents pilfered. So, keys don't appear to give any advantage over passwords on an untrusted machine. For the connect from untrusted computers there are

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Jerome BENOIT
On 06/05/11 15:11, Wolfgang Karall wrote: On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 01:08:52PM +0100, Brian wrote: Keyloggers would get the key passphrase too. And the USB stick would have its contents pilfered. So, keys don't appear to give any advantage over passwords on an untrusted machine. combined with

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 06 May 2011 15:47:42 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:28, Camaleón wrote: Still is for me. It works here but anyway, you can use a TinyURL decoder: http://kiserai.net/turl.pl Still 500. That's a server error, not a network error. I'm surprised that it works

Re: Perl 5.12 transition in progress - Perl packages are not installable currently

2011-05-06 Thread Leonardo Ruoso
2011/5/5 Dominique Dumont domi.dum...@free.fr Le jeudi 5 mai 2011 17:29:54, vous avez écrit : What should I verify before updating/upgrading a sid/experimental system? if aptitude wants to remove a lot of perl package, just put on hold all perl-5.12 packages. This will enable you to update

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello List ! For the connect from untrusted computers there are one-time-passwords. I've used libpam-opie in the past with great success for the occasional connection from internet cafe's for example. By googling, I found this web page:

Re: Multiple instances of udev daemon?

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 06 May 2011 08:56:35 -0400, Christopher Judd wrote: Is it normal to have multiple instances of udev daemon running? user@gibbs:~/data/icp-ms/Routine/2011/Agilent7500$ ps aux | grep udev root 381 0.0 0.0 21424 848 ?Ss May05 0:00 udevd --daemon root

Re: Multiple instances of udev daemon?

2011-05-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 06 May 2011, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 08:56:35 -0400, Christopher Judd wrote: Is it normal to have multiple instances of udev daemon running? user@gibbs:~/data/icp-ms/Routine/2011/Agilent7500$ ps aux | grep udev root 381 0.0 0.0 21424 848 ?Ss

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 05/06/2011 02:50 PM, cac...@quantum-sci.com wrote: On Friday 6 May, 2011 05:15:23 Brian wrote: What you're missing is the difference between someone trying to hack from the client machine... and a remote script trying to brute-force your server. Big difference. No I'm not. But

Re: Need help with approx configuration changes for squeeze [SOLVED]

2011-05-06 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110506_092810, Gilles Mocellin wrote: Le Friday 06 May 2011 07:15:37 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr., vous avez écrit : In 20110505230413.ga4...@big.lan.gnu, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20110505_164439, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-05-05 16:15:31 Paul E Condon wrote: #volatile

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dom
Hi folks On 06/05/11 16:33, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello List ! For the connect from untrusted computers there are one-time-passwords. I've used libpam-opie in the past with great success for the occasional connection from internet cafe's for example. By googling, I found this web page:

Re: Multiple instances of udev daemon?

2011-05-06 Thread Simon Brandmair
Hello, On 6/5/2011 15:00 Christopher Judd wrote: Is it normal to have multiple instances of udev daemon running? I don't know if it is normal. But on my system, I have three instances of udev daemon as well. Cheers, Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Robert Brockway
On Thu, 5 May 2011, Rob Owens wrote: I hesitate to mention this, because it will start an argument about security through obscurity, but you can run your ssh server on a port other than 22. It really does nothing for security, but it will keep your firewall logs a lot cleaner because it avoids

Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates

2011-05-06 Thread AG
Hey list Sometime over the last 9 days I have updated my testing desktop system and when I went to reboot the theme settings on Gnome had changed and I am unable to access the Internet. My partner's machine - from which this is sent - can access the Net fine. I could until I rebooted. I've

Re: Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates

2011-05-06 Thread Chris Brennan
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:23 PM, AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey list Sometime over the last 9 days I have updated my testing desktop system and when I went to reboot the theme settings on Gnome had changed and I am unable to access the Internet. My partner's machine - from

Re: Need help with approx configuration changes for squeeze [SOLVED]

2011-05-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20110506155703.ga2...@big.lan.gnu, Paul E Condon wrote: Note that none of these five lines (in two different files on two different hosts) contain 'volatile'. As expected for squeeze and above. The services previously provided by volatile.debian.org and its completely separate mirror system

Re: Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 06 May 2011 17:23:45 +0100, AG wrote: Sometime over the last 9 days I have updated my testing desktop system and when I went to reboot the theme settings on Gnome had changed and I am unable to access the Internet. My partner's machine - from which this is sent - can access the Net

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Robert Brockway
On Fri, 6 May 2011, Brian wrote: A strong password is no less secure in brute force terms than a key so Oh yes it is. A strong password may take a very long time to brute force, but that isn't what you said. Breaking an arbitrarily long key pair is regarded as being cryptographically

Unidentified subject!

2011-05-06 Thread Alexey Leyva
help -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dc426d9.7030...@vru.uho.edu.cu

strange Icedove typo (Enigmail?)

2011-05-06 Thread Stanisław Findeisen
Today I sent an e-mail from my Icedove 2.0.0.24 and I am pretty sure it looks different in my Sent folder (and in Sent folder file) than it was when I was sending it. There is an additional '' char at the beginning of the 3rd line of the body (nothing was quoted in this e-mail, it was a new

Re: Unidentified subject!

2011-05-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
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grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/dev/root'

2011-05-06 Thread CACook
This just started after my most recent (very painful) dist-upgrade. It seems that BTRFS is not compatible with grub and Debian. I very nearly lost my whole system because of this catastrophe. Does anyone know the nature of the error and how to fix? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: strange Icedove typo (Enigmail?)

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 06 May 2011 19:08:11 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: Today I sent an e-mail from my Icedove 2.0.0.24 and I am pretty sure it looks different in my Sent folder (and in Sent folder file) than it was when I was sending it. There is an additional '' char at the beginning of the 3rd

Re: strange Icedove typo (Enigmail?)

2011-05-06 Thread Erwan David
Le Fri 6/05/2011, Camaleón disait On Fri, 06 May 2011 19:08:11 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: Today I sent an e-mail from my Icedove 2.0.0.24 and I am pretty sure it looks different in my Sent folder (and in Sent folder file) than it was when I was sending it. There is an

Re: strange Icedove typo (Enigmail?)

2011-05-06 Thread Stanisław Findeisen
On 2011-05-06 19:46, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 19:08:11 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: Today I sent an e-mail from my Icedove 2.0.0.24 and I am pretty sure it looks different in my Sent folder (and in Sent folder file) than it was when I was sending it. There is an additional

Re: strange Icedove typo (Enigmail?)

2011-05-06 Thread Stanisław Findeisen
On 2011-05-06 20:02, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: On 2011-05-06 19:46, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 19:08:11 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: Today I sent an e-mail from my Icedove 2.0.0.24 and I am pretty sure it looks different in my Sent folder (and in Sent folder file) than it was

Re: Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates

2011-05-06 Thread AG
Hmmm ... apparently not: sudo ifconfig loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:11601 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX

Re: strange Icedove typo (Enigmail?)

2011-05-06 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 06 May 2011 20:04:36 +0200, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: On 2011-05-06 20:02, Stanisław Findeisen wrote: On 2011-05-06 19:46, Camaleón wrote: (...) There is an additional '' char at the beginning of the 3rd line of the body (nothing was quoted in this e-mail, it was a new mail). Has

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Chris Davies
Robert Brockway rob...@timetraveller.org wrote: Yes it would keep logs a bit cleaner. I've never[1] changed the ssh port on any host and never been terribly worried about the state of the logs as a result. I tend to take a different view: if I can get rid of rubbish from the logs then it

Re: Poll - What Smartphone do you use?

2011-05-06 Thread Freeman
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 01:45:38AM -0400, shawn wilson wrote: On May 5, 2011 11:19 PM, Freeman hew...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 08:35:39PM -0700, giovanni_re wrote: = So, today's poll is: What Smartphone do you use? Android maybe just got a few points

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 16:32, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 15:47:42 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 15:28, Camaleón wrote: Still is for me. It works here but anyway, you can use a TinyURL decoder: http://kiserai.net/turl.pl Still 500. That's a

Re: Elegant and Amazing Apps

2011-05-06 Thread Freeman
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 11:00:49AM +, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2011 20:18:25 -0700, David wrote: I may be out of the loop on this. But I just discovered kupfer and was duly impressed. I generally stay away from launchers because, with the exception of gmrun, I find them

Building packages from source tutorial (Sat, May 7, on IRC)

2011-05-06 Thread Asheesh Laroia
Hi Debian users, Are you interested in getting involved in contributing to Debian, perhaps as a package maintainer? Margarita (through debian-women) and I (through OpenHatch) are doing a simple Build It event to teach people how to take a Debian source package, build it into a .deb, and

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 6 May 2011 21:02, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Big snip I appreciate your willingness to help, don't get me wrong. But just as I am here to learn, I thought that you might also be interested in learning the error of using url-shortening services. Oh, I remember you now. I

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Wolfgang Karall
Hello, On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 05:00:18PM +0100, Dom wrote: However, libpam-opie seems to have been dropped by Debian after squeeze, due to lack of support, some security issues, and no updates for quite a few years. I run Wheezy, is there a supported alternative to libpam-opie? A quick

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Jerome BENOIT
On 06/05/11 22:37, Wolfgang Karall wrote: Hello, On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 05:00:18PM +0100, Dom wrote: However, libpam-opie seems to have been dropped by Debian after squeeze, due to lack of support, some security issues, and no updates for quite a few years. I run Wheezy, is there a

Re: OT: Safe to access SSH server from work?

2011-05-06 Thread Dom
On 06/05/11 21:37, Wolfgang Karall wrote: Hello, On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 05:00:18PM +0100, Dom wrote: However, libpam-opie seems to have been dropped by Debian after squeeze, due to lack of support, some security issues, and no updates for quite a few years. I run Wheezy, is there a supported

URL shortening (was Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list)

2011-05-06 Thread Arno Schuring
Dotan Cohen (dotanco...@gmail.com on 2011-05-06 23:07 +0300): No, this is not a matter of preference. There is no reason to pipe the links through some third party service [..] What advantage exists at all to use tinyURL? While I share your sentiment in general (I would never click on a

Re: Multiple instances of udev daemon?

2011-05-06 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/6/2011 10:45 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 06 May 2011 08:56:35 -0400, Christopher Judd wrote: Is it normal to have multiple instances of udev daemon running? user@gibbs:~/data/icp-ms/Routine/2011/Agilent7500$ ps aux | grep udev root 381 0.0 0.0 21424 848 ?Ss

Re: Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates

2011-05-06 Thread Arno Schuring
AG (computing.acco...@googlemail.com on 2011-05-06 19:12 +0100): sudo ifconfig loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:11601 errors:0

Nautilus scripts using $1

2011-05-06 Thread Perry Thompson
Hi there. I made a nautilus script so that I can right-click on a file, use it in a program, and then move the produced file back to the working directory. I made a test script to try it out. #!/bin/bash echo $1 $HOME/Desktop/test.txt When I am in any Nautilus folder and I right-click on a

configuration management

2011-05-06 Thread shawn wilson
not sure how topical this here - as i'm not looking for anything debian specific. i'm looking at using some type of configuration management software. i have never used any of this software before, i just think i'm outgrowing svn and scp :) i've found this wiki:

Re: configuration management

2011-05-06 Thread Brad Alexander
I have used cfengine2 and cfengine3, and I am currently learning puppet. These are roughly equivalent functionalities, with cfengine being the grandfather of all of them (circa 1993, iirc). One thing I have found is your programming preferences could help make the decision for you. cfengine is

Re: configuration management

2011-05-06 Thread Tom Grace
On 07/05/11 00:56, shawn wilson wrote: i'd prefer the system have some sort of ajax, soap, xml, syslog, or snmp v3 output (in order of preference - can ya tell how i feel about snmp?). but, i suppose i can parse and spit out pretty much any output if need be. What information are you looking

Re: Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates

2011-05-06 Thread AG
On 06/05/11 23:50, Arno Schuring wrote: AG (computing.acco...@googlemail.com on 2011-05-06 19:12 +0100): sudo ifconfig loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1

Problems setting up USB printer with CUPS

2011-05-06 Thread AG
Hi In addition to connectivity problems, I've been having problems setting up my USB Epson printer with CUPS. For one thing, the CUPS admin interface has changed since I last did this, and CUPS doesn't detect the printer as a local printer only giving me 3 options - scsi printer, HP printer

Re: configuration management

2011-05-06 Thread shawn wilson
thanks for the replies. replying to Karl's message so that it goes into the list archive. so, my thoughts so far: wikipedia needs updating on this front. cdist looks pretty simple - i think i could have it up for what i'm using in a matter of minutes. cfengine looks pretty old school and it

Re: Need /etc/apt/sources.list

2011-05-06 Thread Freeman
On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 11:04:22AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: Obviously I've done something wrong because on a virgin Squeeze install /etc/apt/sources.list has no repos other than the disc! Can someone please send to me a copy of this file. Custom added repos are fine, I'll be able to figure it

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