Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread Richard Hector
On 03/04/18 01:07, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > the plaintext passwords would > disappear from RAM (except to the extent that (iiuc) there are (NSA) ways to > recover the contents of RAM if power is restored to the machine fairly > quickly). I'm not sure you actually need to be the NSA for

Re: install archived debian from minimal / network-console image

2018-04-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 12:11 PM, basti wrote: > hello, i need to install debian squeeze because newer versions have > different errors for example bug #699667. That particular bug is fixed in jessie and later. If you have any other issues, please report bugs about them. > kernel 3.16 and newer

LXC/systemd log messages

2018-04-02 Thread Richard Hector
Hi all, I'm seeing lots of these on my containers: systemd[1]: .(service|slice|scope|mount): Failed to reset devices.list: Operation not permitted Searching the web reveals similar problems with unprivileged containers, but mine are (as far as I know) privileged; I haven't really investigated

install archived debian from minimal / network-console image

2018-04-02 Thread basti
hello, i need to install debian squeeze because newer versions have different errors for example bug #699667. kernel 3.16 and newer had problems with sata bus and no hdd was found. i can't found a download link for kernel 3.8.12-1 in a debian version. my question is, what is the right url for

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread der.hans
Am 02. Apr, 2018 schwätzte rhkra...@gmail.com so: moin moin, Just continuing to think (or maybe not think ;-) about password managers / password security, changing the focus slightly (I think) but keeping the same thread. I'm now thinking about the security (or vulnurability) of passwords

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Finney
rhkra...@gmail.com writes: >* during copy and paste operations, the plaintext password could > remain on the C "stack". thus making it vulnurable: Some notes: > > (1) I've read about at least one password manager that, somehow, > deletes the plaintext password from the copy and paste

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 08:37:54 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > A few weeks ago, I was looking for a byte that, in UTF-8, would be a > totally invalid byte (not an invalid sequence of bytes). At the time, > I tried some googling, but it looked rather hopeless (maybe it was my > googling that

Re: changing local domain name

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Sat 31 Mar 2018 at 19:40:02 (+0100), Joe wrote: > On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 10:15:48 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 31 Mar 2018 at 12:35:08 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > > > > > If you lease a public domain name, there is no real > > > difficulty about using it also

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 02/04/18 19:39, Andre Majorel wrote: On 2018-04-02 08:00 +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of assumptions. For instance, 1) every character has the same size, 2) every byte sequence is

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 03/04/18 02:08, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Also, the ATA enhanced erase is, as far as I know, the best option for wiping an SSD. +1. It may also erase things like reserved space and bad blocks that are not visible via the block device and thus immune to shred. ATA security erase is the

Re: Re: Módulo Banco do Brasil não funfa

2018-04-02 Thread Rubens Junior
Marcelo, boa tarde. Os telefones estão no site http://www.bb.com.br/pbb/pagina-inicial/atendimento/canais-de-atendimento#/ Segue anexo o print. []'s Em 2 de abril de 2018 08:52, Marcelo Laia escreveu: > De fato, com o Debian Burst não rola. Por um descuido, exclui

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Michael Stone writes: > The main reasons to look at degaussing or other methods of destruction > are 1) for extremely sensitive data, 2) for drives which are broken > (it's quite possible for something to be too broken to overwrite, but > not too broken to extract data) or 3) because it's >

Re: Unknown Systemd version

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 18:16:15 (+0200), Laurent Lyaudet wrote: > I'm using Stretch. I do security updates daily. > On 29th of march, I had an update for systemd : > > 2018-03-29 21:53:53 startup archives unpack > 2018-03-29 21:53:59 upgrade libsystemd0:amd64 232-25+deb9u2 232-25+deb9u3 >

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Thanks, again, to Henrique and tomas for the followups! On Monday, April 02, 2018 02:40:55 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 03:18:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 08:40:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 03:18:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a

Re: All of my enoX interfaces are mapped to eth0

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 11:34:40 (-0400), David Parker wrote: > I don't normally set IP addresses on interfaces which I know to be offline, > so perhaps my methodology here was flawed. In this case, I set IP > addresses on eno2, eno3, and eno4 to test whether or not they were actually > discrete

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 03:18:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned > > some > > interesting things about UTF-8,

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Thanks to tomas, Roberto, and likcoras! All good points! I'm embarrassed to admit that I hadn't thought (at least to the best of my recent recollection) of the need to encrypt swap--that's something I'll want to deal with soon. On Monday, April 02, 2018 09:15:08 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned some > interesting things about UTF-8, especially the property of self- > synchronization. Yes, UTF-8 is a brilliant design. > I had trouble reading that large table--but if

Re: Re: Módulo Banco do Brasil não funfa

2018-04-02 Thread Marcelo Laia
De fato, com o Debian Burst não rola. Por um descuido, exclui alguns arquivos da /var/log (nunca façam isso, use o logrotate) e o sistema não deu boot. Tive que instalar do zero (formatei a partição /). Instalei o warsaw e não sobe com o root. # uname -a Linux marcelo 4.15.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Curt writes: > I guess the only means of verifying whether your data has been > effectively destroyed is by attempting to recover it; as the > threat-scenarios spoken about here (by individuals) generally posit > attackers (corporate or governmental) with more resources at their > disposal than

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Thanks to tomas and Henrique! The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned some interesting things about UTF-8, especially the property of self- synchronization. I had trouble reading that large table--but if I simply take the red boxes at face value, maybe there are

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 09:40:40 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal > (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? ... > All these was last Friday. In the midst of our argument over the > cellular network

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 05:10:41PM +, Curt wrote: I took a hammer once to an old hard drive; frankly, I don't know whether I killed it or not. But they don't call 'em "hard" drives for nothin', I'll tell ya that. The hammer method is far more satisfying with glass platters. :)

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 11:23:29AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: The equipment required for degaussing isn't very special (though it *does* require an AC magnet). You need to match the strength of the equipment to the media in use. Modern hard disks need fairly strong fields to fully erase, and

Re: Unknown Systemd version

2018-04-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-04-02 18:16 +0200, Laurent Lyaudet wrote: > I'm using Stretch. I do security updates daily. > On 29th of march, I had an update for systemd : > I checked that there was no security update for Systemd. > Moreover, if I look at one package in particular, let's say libsystemd0, > the update

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Curt
On 2018-04-02, John Hasler wrote: > Mike Stone writes: >> Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also >> relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a >> refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) > > The equipment required for

Fwd: Invitación Lección Magistral de Jesús M. González Barahona - Fuenlabrada, 6.4 a las 19:00

2018-04-02 Thread Juan M. Lavieri
Hola. Reevío esta información por si hay algún interesado que esté cerca del sitio donde se realizará este evento y pueda aprovecharlo. Saludos. Mensaje reenviado Asunto: Invitación Lección Magistral de Jesús M. González Barahona - Fuenlabrada, 6.4 a las 19:00

Unknown Systemd version

2018-04-02 Thread Laurent Lyaudet
Hello, I'm using Stretch. I do security updates daily. On 29th of march, I had an update for systemd : 2018-03-29 21:53:53 startup archives unpack 2018-03-29 21:53:59 upgrade libsystemd0:amd64 232-25+deb9u2 232-25+deb9u3 2018-03-29 21:53:59 status triggers-pending libc-bin:amd64 2.24-11+deb9u3

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Mike Stone writes: > Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also > relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a > refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) The equipment required for degaussing isn't very special (though it *does* require an AC

Re: apt{-cache,-get,itude} show wrong version of package after update

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 10:53:07 (+0200), Jean-Baptiste Thomas wrote: > The reason why it failed is that it looked for Packages.xz which > did not exist on my mirror. The reason why my mirror did not > have a Packages.xz file is that it was made with the version of > debmirror in Debian 8, which

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) Degaussing should be understood as a final step before discarding equipment. (And, for what it's worth, it's not a

Re: All of my enoX interfaces are mapped to eth0

2018-04-02 Thread David Parker
I don't normally set IP addresses on interfaces which I know to be offline, so perhaps my methodology here was flawed. In this case, I set IP addresses on eno2, eno3, and eno4 to test whether or not they were actually discrete interfaces, or if they were all somehow mapped to the one interface

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:40:40PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Good evening from Singapore! > > The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal > (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? > [Snip long and entertaining problem description] >

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread likcoras
On 04/02/2018 10:07 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >* during copy and paste operations, the plaintext password could remain on > the C "stack". thus making it vulnurable: Some notes: This is a semi-valid concern, depends on your usage patterns. For example, some browsers may expose a JS API

Re: trabalho, por que você usa Debian?

2018-04-02 Thread P. J.
Bom dia, Uso o debian desktop (trabalho e pessoal) e servidores pela estabilidade e pela simplicidade dos repositórios, uma vez que somente com os mirror's contrib, main e non-free(infelizmente), ou seja, 3 linhas e vc tem um S.O. funcional. Para aqueles que querem as últimas versões tem o

What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Good evening from Singapore! The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? I work for No Secrets Agency (NSA) Pte Ltd (fictitious company name used). My sales manager Edward Joseph Snowden (fictitious individual name

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 07:43:23AM +, Curt wrote: > The thought provoked in my neurological matter was why there are other > locales at all if UTF8 (the locale of this here .homie machine, BTW) is > "vastly superior for all purposes". > > That leaves no purposes remaining whatsoever for the

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:07:16AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > The first two situations that come to mind include: > >* during copy and paste operations, the plaintext password could remain on > the C "stack". thus making it vulnurable: Some notes: > > (1) I've read about

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:07:16AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Just continuing to think (or maybe not think ;-) about password managers / [...] I don't know of the others (I never felt the need for a PW manager myself) but... >* during

Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Just continuing to think (or maybe not think ;-) about password managers / password security, changing the focus slightly (I think) but keeping the same thread. I'm now thinking about the security (or vulnurability) of passwords during "normal" usage--I mean, I'm thinking about the times when

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > A few weeks ago, I was looking for a byte that, in UTF-8, would be a totally > invalid byte (not an invalid sequence of bytes). At the time, I tried some > googling, but it looked rather hopeless (maybe it was my googling that was > hopeless).

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 08:37:54AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, April 02, 2018 03:39:05 AM Andre Majorel wrote: > > > Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: > > I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of

Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 03:39:05 AM Andre Majorel wrote: > > Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: > I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of assumptions. For > instance, > 1) every character has the same size, > 2) every byte sequence is a valid character, A few

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/04/18 19:43, Curt wrote: > The thought provoked in my neurological matter was why there are other > locales at all if UTF8 (the locale of this here .homie machine, BTW) is > "vastly superior for all purposes". There's more to the locale than the character set - things like default language,

Re: apt{-cache,-get,itude} show wrong version of package after update

2018-04-02 Thread Jean-Baptiste Thomas
>> What I'd like to know now is : what prevents apt-get from >> downloading the Packages file from the mirror ? Wget can ! > > Move all the files out of /var/lib/apt/lists/ so that apt-get update > has to download fresh copies. That should get you back on track. > > By all means take the

Multitasca suau quan es copien fitxers

2018-04-02 Thread Narcis Garcia
No sé si és cosa de Debian en concret, però m'ha semblat que amb Debian (i no amb Ubuntu), quan copies un gran volum de dades a una memòria USB, mentrestant la interfície d'escriptori no respon bé, és a dir que al ratolí se li encalla el moviment, i s'encallen totes les tasques de les aplicacions

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Curt
On 2018-04-01, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 4/1/18, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: >> On 02/04/18 02:05, mess-mate wrote: >>> howto change the system utf to eu character set ? >> >> Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: >>

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2018-04-02 08:00 +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 02/04/18 02:05, mess-mate wrote: > >howto change the system utf to eu character set ? > > Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of assumptions. For instance, 1) every