Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Emanuel Berg
Greg Wooledge wrote: >> The "-o" means: "Write output image to FILE". And it does >> so, as far as I can see. > > The question is whether specifying "-o f f" where the output file > has the same name as the input file actually overwrites the original > input file. Another person reported that it

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Emanuel Berg
hede wrote: > "Idempotent" means, that a task with the same input data and > the same config (for example to remove a tag via exif-tool) > results in the same output data. Determinism. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Emanuel Berg
The Wanderer wrote: >>> That's maintainership history, with E-mail >>> addresses attached. >> >> There should be no history entries in the man pages that >> relates to practical aspects that are no >> longer operational. > > The E-mail address doesn't relate to a practical > aspect, though. Ikr?

Re: feedback on install of bullseye

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 18:48:13 (-0700), Ray Andrews wrote: > On 2022-09-24 13:52, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Ray Andrews wrote: > > > To whom might read this.  I can't boil this down to a formal bug report > > > but > > > for what it's worth: > > > > > > BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: > > > > > > Deci

Re: feedback on install of bullseye

2022-09-24 Thread David
On Sun, 25 Sept 2022 at 04:03, Ray Andrews wrote: > ... I get as far as partitioning and although the disk (sdb) is > already partitioned and formatted and working fine, it seemed to be > impossible to just leave things as they were and install to the existing > partitions, it kept complaining t

Re: feedback on install of bullseye

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 10:45:56 (-0700), Ray Andrews wrote: > To whom might read this.  I can't boil this down to a formal bug > report but for what it's worth: > > BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: > > Decided to do a virgin install of bullseye to my /dev/sdb while > keeping /dev/sda devoted to Stret

Re: feedback on install of bullseye

2022-09-24 Thread Ray Andrews
On 2022-09-24 13:52, Dan Ritter wrote: Ray Andrews wrote: To whom might read this.  I can't boil this down to a formal bug report but for what it's worth: BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: Decided to do a virgin install of bullseye to my /dev/sdb while keeping /dev/sda devoted to Stretch. Got t

Re: OT: mysql-workbench alternative

2022-09-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 2:47 PM Gareth Evans wrote: > Given what looks to be the ongoing absence of mysql-workbench in stable: > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mysql-workbench > > Can anyone recommend a free (at least as in beer) alternative that creates > ERDs automatically from MariaDB? > It's

Re: feedback on install of bullseye

2022-09-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Ray Andrews wrote: > To whom might read this.  I can't boil this down to a formal bug report but > for what it's worth: > > > BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: > > Decided to do a virgin install of bullseye to my /dev/sdb while keeping > /dev/sda devoted to Stretch. Got the installer onto a USB sti

OT: mysql-workbench alternative

2022-09-24 Thread Gareth Evans
Given what looks to be the ongoing absence of mysql-workbench in stable: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mysql-workbench Can anyone recommend a free (at least as in beer) alternative that creates ERDs automatically from MariaDB? I tried installing mysql-workbench-community from mysql.com on Ubun

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread Curt
On 2022-09-24, David Wright wrote: > > It's odd: virtually all the software I use (eg emacs, gnumeric, > inkscape, even mutt) modifies either the title bar or a status bar > as soon as I make any modification of a document (typically an > asterisk), and removes it if I revert the change, or save i

Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?

2022-09-24 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 20:36 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > Yes, I may have been "lucky" in the sense that I probably already had > the prerequisite libraries installed, and had perhaps already messed > with the required settings. There seem to be two orthogonal components > necessary to get smoot

Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?

2022-09-24 Thread Anders Andersson
On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 7:53 PM Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:46 +0100, Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:52 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > > [...] > > > What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about > > > hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which p

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 06:43:03 (-0400), Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: > On Samstag, 24. September 2022 00:11:01 -04 piorunz wrote: > > On 24/09/2022 01:38, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: > > > did you realize that, if the backup copy fails for any reason, also > > > the document cannot be saved and thus *

feedback on install of bullseye

2022-09-24 Thread Ray Andrews
To whom might read this.  I can't boil this down to a formal bug report but for what it's worth: BULLSEYE INSTALL, 2022-09-23: Decided to do a virgin install of bullseye to my /dev/sdb while keeping /dev/sda devoted to Stretch. Got the installer onto a USB stick, and proceeding normally. The

Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?

2022-09-24 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:46 +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:52 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > [...] > > What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about > > hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which prompted all > > of this - it just started working automat

Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?

2022-09-24 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2022-09-24 at 18:52 +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: [...] > What's more, I no longer have to continue my research about > hardware-accelerated video playback in the browser which prompted all > of this - it just started working automatically after the upgrade. I just checked and you're righ

Re: Will firefox-esr move to version 102 in bullseye?

2022-09-24 Thread Anders Andersson
Sorry for top-posting, but it makes sense for this summary. As indicated by the replies to my initial email, it is now late September and firefox-esr has moved to version 102 in the stable branch. I just upgraded without even noticing any difference, definitely nothing that broke. What's more, I

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
On Samstag, 24. September 2022 11:27:24 -04 Charles Curley wrote: > On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 15:50:04 +0100 > > piorunz wrote: > > On 24/09/2022 11:43, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: > > > The problem is: if you enabled it and for some reason the backup > > > copy cannot be written, LibreOffice also does n

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread piorunz
On 24/09/2022 16:27, Charles Curley wrote: That's very interesting. Where does backup copy is being written? To the same folder where original supposed to be? Like Kate text editor writes backups as "filename.txt~" in the same folder? ~/.config/libreoffice/4/user/backup/ Incidentally, it won'

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 24 Sep 2022 15:50:04 +0100 piorunz wrote: > On 24/09/2022 11:43, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: > > > The problem is: if you enabled it and for some reason the backup > > copy cannot be written, LibreOffice also does not write the > > original. The warning LibreOffice emits is: "Cannot write

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 12:13:09 (+1200), Alex King wrote: > On 24/09/22 03:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 11:22:31AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > 'man bash' cites Brian Fox and Chet Ramey as the authors, and gives an > > > E-mail address for each. (It's possible that they m

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
On Samstag, 24. September 2022 10:50:04 -04 piorunz wrote: > On 24/09/2022 11:43, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: > > The problem is: if you enabled it and for some reason the backup > > copy > > cannot be written, LibreOffice also does not write the original. > > The warning LibreOffice emits is: "Cann

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Sat 24 Sep 2022 at 10:43:04 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 03:17:31PM +0200, hede wrote: > > Am 21.09.2022 14:46, schrieb Emanuel Berg: > > > Maybe related to the '-o f f' part as your imagination > > > tells you ... > > > > The "-o" means: "Write output image to FILE".

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Sep 2022 at 16:14:43 (+0200), Emanuel Berg wrote: > David Wright wrote: > >> exif(1) which says on line 57 that --remove > >> > >> Remove the tag or (if no tag is specified) the entire IFD. > >> > >> Only if it does, why is it there the next time to be removed > >> as well? > > > > Ha

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Curt
On 2022-09-24, Alex King wrote: > > > I've been using Debian as my main OS since 1997 or earlier. I've spent > 100s of hours reading man pages. Although it's a reasonable assumption > (since there are a lot of man pages with outdated AUTHORS sections), I > didn't know the AUTHORS section is s

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread piorunz
On 24/09/2022 11:43, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: The problem is: if you enabled it and for some reason the backup copy cannot be written, LibreOffice also does not write the original. The warning LibreOffice emits is: "Cannot write backup copy" but it does not tell you that it will not even write

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 03:17:31PM +0200, hede wrote: > Am 21.09.2022 14:46, schrieb Emanuel Berg: > > Maybe related to the '-o f f' part as your imagination > > tells you ... > > The "-o" means: "Write output image to FILE". And it does so, as far as I > can see. The question is whether specifyi

Re: exif --remove not idempotent, and a Debian man page bug

2022-09-24 Thread hede
Am 21.09.2022 14:46, schrieb Emanuel Berg: I don't know what the intended behaviof of "exif --remove -o file file" is. I'm imagining [...] exif(1) which says on line 57 that --remove Remove the tag or (if no tag is specified) the entire IFD. "Idempotent" means, that a task with the same in

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-24 Thread Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ
On Samstag, 24. September 2022 00:11:01 -04 piorunz wrote: > On 24/09/2022 01:38, Eike Lantzsch KY4PZ wrote: > > did you realize that, if the backup copy fails for any reason, also > > the document cannot be saved and thus *all* work is lost? I > > experienced this behaviour recently to my dismay (