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When I do an interactive dpkg --list, it displayes complete
description summaries, but when I redirect output to a file, it
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Have I confused myself somehow?
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rse order one starts them. So if you use S20 you do K80
(and vice versa). Using S20 and K20 seems wrong.
Why not just adopt chkconfig?
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hings.
Are IP addresses for all PCMCIA devices supposed to go in
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts?
I've looked at the wireless HOWTO, but it doesn't even mention
network.opts or wireless.opts, so it's either way out of date
or written for a completely different set of tools.
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> available file, and thus makes certain parts of the system behave more
> consistently.
That should be cool then. Thanks!
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In muc.lists.debian.user, you wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 12:10:11AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> The next thing I can't figure out is why dpkg is using "potato" packages and
>> apt-get is using "stable". The "available" list in /var/lib/d
potato, and apt-get's sources list is all stable.
Why don't I get packages from the woody/testing?
My banner claims it's "Debian 3.0" but all of the available packages are
from potato. What to I have to do to switch my system over so that it
actually uses packages from w
better be there a lot faster
> than 60 minutes.
If you're going for 5 9s you'll have plenty of redundancy and
hot-swapable everything. You may need a CPU/drive/PS replaced,
but it doesn't generally have to be done in 5 minutes.
However, you're at a higher
have somebody guaranteed on-site in 60 minutes from when
the phone rings.
For what I do (SW development) I invariably get better/quicker
results from mailing lists and Usenet than I ever did from
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> Klaus Imgrund writes:
>> a. complain to and scream at
>
> People frequently complain and scream at this mailing list.
With far more helpful responses that any you'll get from most
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MS beat the federal government into submission. You don't
stand a snowball's chance in hell.
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everal palm pilot apps in the distribution. Is a question like
> 'which is the best one to use?' relevant? Anyone using Palm's that could
> provide some advice?
I prefer jpilot generally (requires pilot-sync), but I use plan
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e latency within a collision domain is strictly
limited for the reasons you describe. All ports on a hub are
still in the same collision domain, so adding a hub doesn't let
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unds sort of like 'pincushion" problems. Are the edges of the
displayed area straight? (Assuming you can see the egdes.)
Look for a pincushion adjustment on your monitor, and play with
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need them
(last time I checked).
> - Is vmlinuz on a filesystem supported by grub, like ext2, reiserfs etc.?
If not, you'd get an error message from grub and the kernel
would never get loaded.
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> The mailing list is the only "official" means of article distribution. A
> third party runs the gateway to news.
So far, it appears that the mail->news gateways is well run: I
checked for a while, and I never noticed any lost messages. The
developer
format are the sources?]
Never mind -- I found it the text/postscript versions.
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Thanks. Is there a downloadable (PDF or single HTML page) or
searchable version somewhere? The online version is too chopped
up for searching.
[I don't have access to the CVS server, though it could be
arranged. What format are the sources?]
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Where is it currently available?
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> trigger that bug.
You're describing a different bug in OE. There are so many
from which to choose...
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tant to post my .muttrc file because of the bandwidth,
> but will do so if that will help.
The Usenet group comp.mail.mutt is probably the definitive
place to ask for help, since I doubt there's anything
Debian-specific going on.
If you have no other way to access Usenet, you can use Goo
every day to people running Outlook and Outlook
Express. I've never had a problem.
> Is there a setting I am missing, or do I have to strong-arm
> them all to use Eudora (which also works fine)? Getting them
> onto Linux is another step, but one thing at a time...
What is the failur
e much better behaved than RedHat's patch, if I
> hear correctly.
What sort of improvements have been made?
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> newbies, but it seems more stupid the longer I look at it.
There's also a link from /etc/grub.conf
/etc/grub.conf -> ../boot/grub/grub.conf
/boot/grub/menu.lst -> ./grub.conf
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at RedHat. It's not in the official release of grub, though I
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gt; PCIC=yenta_socket
>
> and restart pcmcia. If it doesn't exist you may need to directly edit the
> /etc/init.d/pcmcia script to ensure that it loads "yenta_socket" instead
> of "i82365".
Didn't work for me...
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On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:00:22PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2002, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> > In the muc groups' articles, why not set the "followup-to:"
> > header to be the mailing list e-mail address?
>
> Because new
wup-to:"
header to be the mailing list e-mail address?
I don't think that can cause a loop, and it will allow people
to follow-up from newsreaders.
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> not something that should be done without thought, and why it's not a
> "you could just do this". However, I seem to be talking to a brick wall,
> so I'll leave the discussion now.
Sorry to sound obtuse, but people kept pointing out the
pr
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o now). The gateway
still treats usenet as a write-only medium. Why is there any
danger of a loop if slrn mails the article rather than mutt?
> (I think it would be a good idea for debian-user shadow newsgroups to be
> moderated anyway, if nothing else so that they can point to a mailbo
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:38:36AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> Colin Watson wrote:
>> > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:13:51AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >> This sounds like the exact same mechanism use
> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:13:51AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> This sounds like the exact same mechanism used by moderated
>> newsgroups, but postings to muc.l.d.u don't seem to get mailed
>> to the list. Why not set up muc.l.d.u as a moderated group
>> wi
son write to the mailing list by posting to the newsgroup?
>
> Not directly, you'd still have to mail the list.
This sounds like the exact same mechanism used by moderated
newsgroups, but postings to muc.l.d.u don't seem to get mailed
to the list. Why not set up muc.l.d.u as a mod
[otherwise you'll get version conflicts]
then
Install pcmcia-modules
[*] The only solutions that won't be broken by a upgrade
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installed and it should then use modprobe (which will load
isa-pnp). That way I also get more up-to-date drivers.
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> Grant Edwards writes:
> > Somebody else out there must be using PCMCIA support. It
> > simply _can't_ be as broken as it appears to be.
>
> I don't think it is. On my testing box, the stock 2.4
ling the script anyway?
I still haven't figured that one out...
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current as of about a week ago...
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> > it is trying to decide if it should use pcmcia_cs or the 2.4.x pcmcia kernel
> > code. (PC for pcmcia_cs, KD for kernel)
>
> Yes. I know.
>
> The question I really asked were:
>
> 1) Why not
in the KD case.
But, shouldn't the Debian pcmcia script and a kernel built with
the Debian kernel-build process work together?
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to the modules. Why are the
options are ignored?
I'd be happy to submit a patch for the script, but since I
don't understand the purpose behind this section, I don't know
if my fix would break things in other situations.
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> For Linux C++ stuff, the mailing list
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is good, though it's a little quit
> sometimes. I'm not sure if there's a C one as well.
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Nah. The system still needs to be administratable in a
somewhat "normal" manner. Losing apt would be too much of a
> > If a user requires anything I delete, he can always re-install
> > it (I'll leave dpkg, apt, and frieds)...
>
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all
it (I'll leave dpkg, apt, and frieds)...
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> OnExit(and enter) work because there is a loop somewhere
> getting events and sending them to the right place.
Actually, it appears that the form library does provide a
semi-event-driven model where you can attach callbacks to
various fields and events. See "man form_hook" for exam
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 08:54:28AM +0100, Patrick Kirk wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 12:01:11AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 09:10:42PM +0100, Patrick Kirk wrote:
> [..]
> >You're learning C and ypu started with a curses/forms app?
> >
-end named
mp3c that has a pretty nice ncurses UI (but I don't think it
uses the forms library). I've done a little with ncurses and
CDK, but nothing with the forms library. You probably ought to
ask in comp.os.linux.development.apps. I assume you've already
looked at http://dickey.hi
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:55:55PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On my Woody system, there's nothing in /etc/logrotate.d
> except the file for the base-config. Yet, looking at
> /var/log shows that syslog, messages, daemon.log user.log,
> and other stuff are clea
On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:45:06AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> None of my machines have "chkwtmp", but it turns out that
> mgetty is what's causing the huge wtmp files. I don't know if
> it's init or mgetty itself that's causing the problem.
For the sake
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 08:38:25PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > on the first, check the output of chkwtmp.
None of my machines have "chkwtmp", but it turns out that
mgetty is what's causing the huge wtmp files. I don't know if
it's init or mgetty itself that&#x
ld.
> on the second, check out /etc/logrotate.conf.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your suggestion, I already did, and
I explained what was in that file:
> > Since /etc/logrotate.conf only rotates wtmp and btmp, and
> > /etc/logrotate.d doesn't control anything ex
On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 02:55:55PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> 1) Why are is my wtmp file so huge? I've got a Woody system
> that I installed about two weeks ago. I log into it a few
> times a day, and the wtmp file is up to over 13MB in 16
> days.
>
>
, where is logrotate getting instructions
from for rotating the other files?
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> it.
I've made posting to l.d.u, and they haven't shown up in the
mailing list, and of the threads I've followed in the mailing
list, only about 10% of the posts have shown up in the
newsgroup.
My preference would be to use the newsgroup, but right now I&#
ble to reconfigure later, divide into the
> three basic categories listed above, write or find programs to
> handle the first set since debian has nothing good that will
> serve yet, use base-config for the secod set, and
> dpkg-reconfigure for the third set.
Thanks. That clear
, i kind of
> doubt there's any problem debian can't handle.
Probably not, but so far, I haven't figured out how to (for
example) reconfigure the IP network info.
I could give customers a list of files and instructions to edit
them, but since there are already newt/dialog based utilities
to _do_ that, I was hoping to take advantage of them.
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some package, and that I need to run dpkg-reconfigure on the
right package. Perhaps not -- maybe there is no built-in way
to reconfigure a Debian system.
> i'm not sure *how* they get on the system, but my guess is that
> it's si
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 03:32:32PM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> begin Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 05:08:54PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> > > Doing a dpkg --configure won't work because the
> > > packages h
a shame to write something using newt or whatever that
just duplicates the various postinst scripts...
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> Doing a dpkg --configure won't work because the
> packages have already been configured.
I just stumbled across dpkg-reconfigure (a mention of
dpkg-reconfigure on the dpkg man page might be a good idea).
Now, if onl
ver that comes with
the pcmcia-modules for the 2.4 kernel. It doesn't work with
the 2.2.20 modules.
One quirk was that I had to define a start_fn() in network.opts
that did a iwpriv card_reset. Otherwise the card would only
find the AP the first time it was inserted.
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linux.debian.user, but most of them don't. Is there a
newsgroup version of the list somewhere?
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> 2) Are the drivers from wlan-ng compatible with the existing
> drivers from the pcmcia-cs package? IOW, could I just add
> prism2_cs.o to the pcmcia-cs pacakge.
Apparently not. There seem to be two incomatib
d I just add
prism2_cs.o to the pcmcia-cs pacakge.
I don't actually know how to create .deb files, but I know
where the docs are (it can't be that much different than
creating RPM packages), and I'm going to need to do that
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to be no
prism2 driver.)
What is the "right" way to add support for this card? I could
build wlan-ng from sources, but then I'd have a system that
can't be automatically updated. Because of support issues, I'm
very adverse to using things that aren't supported Debian
nux.org (this would be a directory)
> /usr/include/linux -> /usr/src/linux/include/linux
That seems to be fairly widely depricated these days. The file
in /usr/include/linux are supposed to correspond with glibc,
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 03:56:36PM -0400, David Z Maze wrote:
> Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Various sources have recommended doing "rm -rf */pcmcia" before
> > building a kernel from sources (assuming you're goign to use
> >
Various sources have recommended doing "rm -rf */pcmcia" before
building a kernel from sources (assuming you're goign to use
the pcmcia stuff in the pcmcia-cs package).
If I do that, the "make" dies because it's looking for stuff in
those directories.
Am I missi
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:58:24PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> > I notice that "woody" installs a 2.2 kernel instead of a 2.4
> > kernel. Are the reasons behind that decision?
>
> 2.2 was current
> > other distros?
>
> Actually, I can't get 2.2.20 by default. I don't see it on stable, and
> last time I asked about it I was told to get it off "testing".
I installed woody last week from the floppy images and I got
2.2.20. I don't remember what
version when I get to that point...
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, this does not make a
> good impression. Though 2.4.x development mostly stabilised now.
Ah, I see. I think I'll ship both 2.2 and 2.4 kernels and let
the customer pick which one they want to use. I'll probably
configure the bootloader to use the 2.4 kernel by default.
Since I'm bu
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:45:46PM -0500, Donald R. Spoon wrote:
> Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My concern is that if Debian hasn't switched to a 2.4 kernel,
> > there must be a reason. If I start shipping a product with
> > Debian running a 2.4
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:29:28PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> Grant Edwards wrote on Wed Apr 17, 2002 um 12:32:09PM:
>
> > I notice that "woody" installs a 2.2 kernel instead of a 2.4
>
> Then you should read Release Notes
I did. I didn't find
r 2.2.
I'm planning on building a custom-tailored 2.4.x kernel-image
package for above-mentioned product, but I'm wondering if I
should also include a similarly configured 2.2 kernel-image...
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> But then again, do you *really* want to buy a computer from the evil
> empire?
Bill Gates is selling computers now?
Aside from those video game things?
I bet the tech support department at Wall Mart is really
top-notch!
;)
I've been building Linux kernels since version
0.99.. I just tried generating a kernel-image .deb
package, and it worked first try.
I have to say that kernel-package is just too cool.
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On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 07:20:58PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I compiled 2.2.20 with VESA frame buffer support enabled, and
> now I have a runaway modprobe loop:
[...]
> I'm going to try again with unix and pf_packet compiled into
> the kernel,
That fixed it, but I don'
, but I can't figure out why enabling VESA FB support
caused this. Any hints?
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> I'm trying to configure a 2.2r5 system for dial-in PPP access.
> The dail-in part works fine, but when the dial-in user starts
> pppd using "exec /usr/sbin/pppd -detach", the ppp daemon just
> sits there f
et drawn in the correct location. If you're careful, you can
figure out what's going on, but it's a bit disorienting.
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cause layout errors (module loading sub-system).
I've seen this on two systems so far.
Myabe I've got broken floppies???
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skip working on the 2.2 kernel support for that and go right to 2.4.
I figure I might as well upgrade now before I invest a lot of time tweaking
stuff which may or may not need re-tweaking when I upgrade to Woody and a
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up" on it), but I am told
> that it (RedHat) basically requires re-installation. This is not so with
> Debian. Try it, you'll like it.
I don't want to spend time fighting with getting the 2.2r[56]
to support my hardware if it's already supported in woody.
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> Grant Edwards writes:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:46:52PM -0400, Scott Henson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where can I find the .config files for the kernel image
> > > > inst
started by root, uid 0
Apr 9 09:44:49 debain pppd[246]: Terminating on signal 15.
Apr 9 09:44:49 debain pppd[246]: Exit.
[I have to kill pppd from another session]
I've tried dozens of combinations of options in
/etc/ppp/options (starting with the values from the PPP HOWTO).
I'm
vious once somebody points it out.
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Where can I find the .config files for the kernel image
installed by the normal Debian install process?
I'd like to tweak a couple things, and it would be nice to
start with a known working configuration rather have to figure
it out from scratch.
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inning of a field/line and having
it select the entire field instead. Ctrl-P, Ctrl-N, Ctrl-F
also do various things my fingers don't expect.
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On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:25:11AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Mon, Apr 08, 2002, Grant Edwards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
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> > Is there one particular getty program that is typically used
> > for Debian systems (uugetty, mgetty, agetty, ...) ?
>
>
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:58:20AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> On 08-Apr-2002 Grant Edwards wrote:
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> > Is there one particular getty program that is typically used
> > for Debian systems (uugetty, mgetty, agetty, ...) ?
>
> you get agetty by default.
Is there one particular getty program that is typically used
for Debian systems (uugetty, mgetty, agetty, ...) ?
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On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 12:44:12PM +0200, François Chenais wrote:
> I'm under Woody and looking for an alternate web browser for replacing
> Netscape.
Opera is the best I've found (though Mozilla is coming along
nicely).
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set-top box applications. There are Geode
based SBCs available from various vendors. Where I work we're
using a geode-based board from IPC in a thin client product.
Except for a flakey VGA console mode, they seem to work well.
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On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:01:00PM -0300, Daniel Toffetti wrote:
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> I would like to know what are the tools available out there to make
> some fancy network drawings.
I like sketch: sketch.sourceforge.net
It doesn't come with pre-draw clip-art, though.
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 10:46:07PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:56:26PM -0600, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> > Can anybody recommend a decent book on Debian system
> > administration? I stopped at the local computer store on my
> > way hom
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