Re: The systemd MacGuffin

2014-11-18 Thread Keith Peter
On 18/11/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Marty wrote: >> >> I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends >> and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started >> phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more of a last >> straw). > > Might I ask

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-16 Thread Keith Peter
On 16/11/2014, Peter Nieman wrote: [snip] > It's the domination of the desktop environment ideology that's the > problem. Many users came to Linux and Debian years ago because they were > fed up with Microsoft. And now the same ideology infiltrates their > Linux, whether they chose to install a

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-12 Thread Keith Peter
On 11 November 2014 19:43, Erwan David wrote: > Le 11/11/2014 20:21, Don Armstrong a écrit : >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote: >>> Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : When I (or someone else) asks people to "show us the code", it's really just shorthand for "someone nee

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-08 Thread Keith Peter
On 8 November 2014 16:48, Mart van de Wege wrote: > "David L. Craig" writes: > >> On 14Nov08:1603+0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: >> >>> Quite frankly, I'm disgusted. A developer with a lot of contributions is >>> chased away by the noise made by a bunch of whiners who can't even be >>> bothered to

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-08 Thread Keith Peter
On 5 November 2014 14:32, Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm a clueless end user with two laptops, one large boat-anchor Dell i5 that is my 'typing box' and another X60 that I actually carry round. Sid gives me a fully functional desktop that runs well on an 8 year old laptop with 2Gb of ram. Amazing real

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-08 Thread Keith Peter
Hello Bret and All Mr Hess was writing to the 1000+ Debian developers so the subject line *may* have made instant sense to them, but I take the wider point. We had better explain the 'so long and thanks for all the fish' quote as well (looking at your sig) for the benefit of others. In one of the

Re: Openbox systemd-free

2014-10-18 Thread Keith Peter
On 17 October 2014 13:02, Pete Orrall wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free, and is >> intended to be systemd free. So that will form the GUI foundation. I'll >> come back in the next few days wit

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

2014-10-15 Thread Keith Peter
On 14 October 2014 17:10, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Marty wrote: >> It seems like free software employment and market share come with >> increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. > > People have to eat. Almost everyone who works on Debian has someone who > pays them.