.
But consider, please, that this often mean, that you blame others by
own mistakes only. Hmm, another gmail user, NSA contributor...
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Dňa Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:34:34 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, Slavko wrote:
aptitude search -w 60 -F %c%a %p %v '~i?depends(libsystemd0)'
[...]
LANG=C dpkg -l libsystemd0
dpkg-query: no packages found matching libsystemd0
[...]
aptitude search
was here without me and will be here without me too, but
i see no enough interest to contribute now. First i was in doubts: is
this only my wounded ego? But by last months doings i lost any doubts.
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In other posts to this Slavko alluded to recompiling packages to get
rid of systemd dependencies.
This is true i have some package rebuilded by myself to remove some
unwanted dependencies, but this doesn't matter, because aptitude shows
(once again):
aptitude search -w 60 -F %c%a %p %v '~i?depends
not necessarily imply being sold massively
around the world.
He's doing some of the work on Debian; others work with different
distributions. They get what they want. Users get what they want.
Everyone's a winner. :)
I get systemd. Are you sure, that i want it? Or am i not a user?
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Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:31:02 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
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[snip]
LANG=C aptpu libsystemd-login0 libsystemd-daemon0
The following packages will be REMOVED:
[Snip]
cups-daemon : Depends: libsystemd-daemon0
get message about insufficient permissions.
I ask here for help, but no one (i expect the response especially from
these who tells, that this ML is for support not for discussion) give
me the solution how to get the sufficient permissions back.
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Please, don't hesitate and share how do it.
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Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:22:06 -0400 James Ensor
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:16:23 -0400 James Ensor
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I made no assumptions, as I had absolutely
(and
during upgrade)...
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Dňa Wed, 1 Oct 2014 02:05:42 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
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On Du, 28 sep 14, 20:04:22, Slavko wrote:
BTW, what you recommends is to change the DE due systemd, strange
solution. I want the exact opposite solution - i want to change the
(now default) init
that the systemd is not only one possible PID 1.
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. will not be a temporary task and number
affected packages will be grow, then i don't think, that it is real
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and
systemd (and many other things) out of system by the USE flags, then
these functions (and libraries) are not compiled at all and this i see
as big advantage (which is close to my - install only what you are
using), which cannot be simple accomplished with Debian.
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Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
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On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
,
if Debian has gone with it as well maybe I'll have a look.
And the next step is to stop paying attention to old style init
scripts.
Yes, then next step is go away from Debian.
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simply keeps track of what packages are installed
on a user's system. So unless you install an init system from
source, your vote would be counted. (To be clear, I'm not sure if
it would be counted if you installed a third-party package).
But for the systemd too, due dependencies...
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, not
with the Debian self (i hope). And here mentioned and discussed
problems with systemd can be from the same reason.
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that it is not
very good. If not, then i will understand your words as quandary and as
effort to silence unsatisfied users without real solving of
their problems and this is what i see as something really
non-constructive.
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initramfs is needed, but nothing will damage, if
you generate new one by:
update-initramfs -u
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?), where they was
not able to accept, that their package(s) can have a bug. These
problems i solved by selecting alternative package. But now...
Is now a time to forgot at trust that the DD and DM know what they are
doing? What will be follow?
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, but i
think that there will be no problems.
And as latest, i will be happy, if someone will report here, when some
of newest versions of systemd (or systemd-shim|cgmanager, etc) works
fain with systemd-shim and the policykit.
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You are too quick. Your suggestions simple doesn't work everywhere, as
i posted more times here. Because you are able to find links, please
find them by self...
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Dňa Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:56:47 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com
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Slavko writes:
I was try this some days ago (when latest systemd-shim goes into
testing). By my understand of the root of problem, the policykit
based users rights depends on libpam-systemd which relies
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:40:40 +0200 B lazyvi...@gmx.com napísal:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
If yes,
then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ...
Alas, poor Slavko ;-)
I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:38:46 +0200 B lazyvi...@gmx.com napísal:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Alas, poor Slavko ;-)
I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English).
Oh, sorry.
I was referring to a line from
: The DD are best and
their choices are the best and anything critic is OT here. If yes, then
something is rotten in the state of Denmark ...
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Dňa Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:46:43 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de napísal:
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
BTW, if someone is interested in, while this investigation i
generated graphs of dependencies on some systemd packages on my
system, they will be accessible for some time here
and accept, what others (here RedHat) prepare for you.
So are we trying to support the need of our users for operation in
many different kinds of computing environments or are we pushing some
distro that actualy did that into becoming a GiB monolith?
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Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:15:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de napísal:
Supporting systemd violates Debians' social contract.
Can you be more verbose about this, please? Why? How? By what?
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, where will need to
recompile most of Debian packages without systemd support.
I have no resources to maintain another Debian... Then it really seems,
that here is a time to search another solution.
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Dňa Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:45:10 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk napísal:
I did small investigation. The dbus seems only a half of problem,
because there is the same dependency in the libpulse0 (no, i don't use
pulse audio, but dependencies...) and a lot of my applications
depends on it. I
am not able to decide if i don't understand
because my English or because i don't know what is discussion about :-)
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structure of the cgroups
interface.
Small typo, the systemd-logind = 204 provides it. I have hold the
version 204 of systemd and udev (and related packages) due this.
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the
generals, and some will go into war and try to win it. But it is not
possible to win all wars, and only very small amount of people are
willing to risk the loss.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 07 Sep 2014 02:30:42 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de napísal:
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 06 Sep 2014 02:08:47 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de
napísal:
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes:
It didn't need systemd before, so why should it need
and feel, that it is OK?
2, Need to be this decided (RC/normal bug) at the Debian level, or only
maintainers need to decide it?
I don't know.
3, What about indirect dependencies?
I see (in this case) this indirect dependency as the same problem as
the direct one.
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lightdm, but
behavior exactly the same.
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-assign this bug to systemd-shim, as this bug is
caused by running logind under systemd-shim and the shim failing to
provide that logging infrastructure.
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dependency on the systemd and this is bad!
The systemd-shim si not real alternative (at least for me), because
some things simple are not working (e.g. X session management for
policykit) yet. And it bad too!
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Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:47:19 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
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On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 19:37:41 +0200, Slavko wrote:
please which Python version have to be default on Jessie? Will be
support for Python 2.7 dropped in it?
I read this from systemd changelog (208-7
Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:15:00 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
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On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 13:23:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
launchpad bug 1258089 should bring up something.
Nice. AS Lissi point us, i need only tell thanks, then:
Big thanks for systemd maintainers
moving to
Python 3. (LP: #1258089)
And please, what is the LP: #1258089?
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to
configure Debian. ;-)
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Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz napísal:
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
Our priorities are our users and free software
We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
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', but dch seems be debian in nature).
dch -l ubuntu some text
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it again and after boot i get:
journalctl --until 17:00
-- Logs begin at So 2014-08-09 17:16:20 CEST, end at So 2014-08-09 17:16:30
CEST. --
Please, how i can get the records from previous boot?
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Dňa Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:23:31 +0200 Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de
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Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Please, how i can get the records from previous boot?
Edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf and set Storage=persistent
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Dňa Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:33:45 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal:
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com
napísal:
I've saved one or two relevant URLs from debian-devel@ pre-CTTE bug
thread. I
), but it sounds as the
too heavy for small networks. Too heavy not in mean of the requirements
(which i don't want to discuss here), but too heavy in provided
capabilities. Simple, i see usability of only small part of it (for me)
and then it sounds as wasting resources.
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Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:33:23 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com
napísal:
If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh
running or 100
Ahoj,
By my mistake i post it directly to Dan - i am sorry! I repost it to
list again...
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:07:41 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
When i read first time about change default of the init, i believe
(or hope
the garbage collector is full of systemd vs sysv
stuff.
why you then reported bugs to BTS, which contains no thanks, but problem
description? by your own words, you need only tell thanks, or do own
things.
Where then is the: come together do it better?
Eh, words, words...
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, binary files
and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested in
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Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 09:17:15 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2014, Slavko wrote:
To be precise, i often read about these things: monolitic, binary
files and boot speed. I don't like first two and i am not interested
in latest.
These are just accessible
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 3 Aug 2014 14:42:01 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal:
On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 19:02:36 +0200, Slavko wrote:
OK, i did small progress :-)
The issue is (seems) not related to systemd, it is caused by
switching
What did you do that led you to that conclusion
can use
grep only to files found by find. Or not the systemd is broken, but its
packages are?
What is the only one thing, which does systemd and which does it
perfectly? How many packages (userspace aps) depends (directly or
indirectly) on the SysV? Things takes bad direction.
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Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:19:13 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk napísal:
On Fri 01 Aug 2014 at 13:58:30 +0200, Slavko wrote:
please, i need help to debug my problem with the resume after sleep
with systemd.
[Snip]
Please, can someone help me with finding a root of problem
the problem, is nothing is
logs are not preserved? I don't understand...
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/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels and old kernels are
preserved after update and i need to manually removed it (them).
They stays (i am using aptitude) installed despite the auto flag.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:21:48 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk napísal:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:43:27 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
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On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 10:49:32 +0100, Brian wrote:
This is on a minimal Jessie with systemd-sys installed and nouveau.
You were
the solution too)? Where i need to take look to find something
useful?
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, the port 25 for client connections is
for backward compatibility only.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:56:40 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
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On Mon 28 Jul 2014 at 14:02:29 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:02:18 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk
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He could check with nc.
brian@desktop:~$ nc smtp.gmail.com 25
220
know nothing about them),
or (obsolete) 465 port there isn't another way how to send encrypted
emails.
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provider to enable 587 port, pointing to the
mentioned RFC ;)
Your observation that ISPs could also interfere with port 587 doesn't
cheer me up. :)
It is black side of the freedom...
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be considered as stealer, etc.
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at hand.
Yes, i provided answer to you. I try it again: If is something in
public place, it doesn't mean, that anybody can do anything with it.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 27 Jul 2014 06:47:45 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal:
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk
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You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test
platforms
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and if then it will be removed from testing
after time threshold) :P
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Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:58:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman
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Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:33:28 -0400 Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal:
Some of us are actually interested in knowing what's going on with
testing
: horrible!
(more precise, i have more words, but they are self censured).
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Ahoj,
it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing
users.
Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:13:26 +1000 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
napísal:
On 7/21/14, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:42:22 +1000 Zenaan Harkness
z...@freedbms.net napísal
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
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On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
consolekit which is unmaintained
of something not independent from the init system.
I am far from to know where the problem is, But you are right, if some
software depends on the init system, then there is something wrong!
Either in init system or in software... Or, perhaps in both ;)
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, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
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dependency against this (these) package(s).
It is something new. If it was good selection with systemd as default,
we all will see in future, but as any new thing, some clean will be
needed.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:19:21 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
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On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
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That's quite afalse this... count
Debian related, which can help me to
start with it? Can someone point me, please? Will it work with XFCE?
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:49:40 -0700 Noah Meyerhans no...@debian.org
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On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:23:11AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
By this, i see, that the secure boot is good for corporate
environment, don't affect average home users. For others there is
more simple to disable
is
appreciated
By this, i see, that the secure boot is good for corporate environment,
don't affect average home users. For others there is more simple to
disable it, than always sign any experiment ;)
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), if
any, and i see it as mostly marketing thing, but it allows to run more
complicated things (without OS start) than BIOS's setup only. I hope,
that in future, there will be more useful UEFI applications, than eye
candy setup utility and nothing solving Secure boot...
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And how this restart sequence affects start of the services/system?
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in English only, but
think internationally, when you are trying to generalize.
BTW, one from my first big computer things, was learn my old 8 bit
computer to write in the (something as equivalent of current) Latin2
and Cyrillic, cca 25 years ago.
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'--forget-old-unavail' option; unavailable
packages are automatically cleaned up
(wrapped)
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, check the Trash-* dirs and then
uses autotrash to take action:
#!/bin/bash
#
# empty_trash.sh
#
# Copyright 2012 Slavko li...@slavino.sk
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published
?!
Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is one
conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi version.
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Dňa Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:27:04 +0200 Gour g...@atmarama.net napísal:
Slavko li...@slavino.sk writes:
Then i run aptitude and after some keypress is see, that there is
one conflict with some co-package (cgi plugin) from old uwsgi
version.
I must say that I'm still quite noobie
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:22:04 +0200 Thierry de Coulon
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Thanks Slavko. I'm not sure I got everything, but it shows the way to
go: learn using aptitude.
Don't worry. If you uninstall something, you can always install it
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