's where things stand now.
>
>The number of held-back entries is about the size of the whole
>distribution so something is seriously wrong.
What command are you using to upgrade? This looks like you're using
"apt-get upgrade" when you need "apt-g
on
the ESP you'll be screwed. The official recommended minimum size for
the ESP is 512 MiB, and that's what we use by default in d-i.
>Also, there is no strict requirement that the EFI system partition must
>be at the beginning of the disk. This is just a precaution against
>pos
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 08:59:42PM +0200, Dan wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>
>Thanks a lot for the great explanation!
>
>I think it would be helpful for other users to put all this in the
>Debian Wiki. Maybe
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 06:16:13PM +0200, Dan wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>
>>>I just bought a desktop (Dell T5810). I tried to install Jessie with
>>>UEFI. The USB installation (netinst) works perfectly. I instal
Rescue mode to get
there. With Jessie, I also added an option in Rescue mode to add a
"removable media" boot entry on your hard disk so that even really
brain-dead UEFI setups should still boot...
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F ALL OTHER
TERMS'. Taken literally that is so absurd as to make me not want to depend
on their software.. why should I read their terms before even visiting
their website?
Not trying to rant but trying to explain why I want to stick with Free
Software despite technical challenges.
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From: Steve Greig
Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Transferring files from Debian computer to android phone
To: Stefan Pietsch
Unfortunately I do not know how to install things. The approach I took was
to add https://packages.debian.org
uld be happy to use the command line but when I googled that it looked
very complicated.
Thanks, Steve
ch as possible before posting a thread,
Steve
root@debian:/home/steve# apt-key list
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg
pub 2048R/94558F59 2012-06-25 [expires: 2015-06-25]
uid Spotify Public Repository Signing Key <
operati...@spotify.com>
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d//deb
an/ wheezy-updates main
deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main
#deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
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> On Wednesday 17 June 2015 00:27:05 Steve Greig wrote:
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From: Steve Greig
Date: Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: updating debian warnings
To: Brian
Thanks for you responses. I have posted contents of etc/apt/sources.list
followed by output from dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring below:
# deb cdrom
ing window requiring
me to reenter my password. At this point I bottled out and cancelled the
update.
I would have thought that only trusted software would be put into the
updates so was surprised by this and would like to ask for a bit of
explanation and also advice on how to proceed.
Steve
4 like they do for
>high-rises).
*grin* We have no plans to cater for the superstitious in our CD and
DVD numbering schemese...
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quite out of my depth there.
Any ideas would be very much appreciated, Steve
w did you install? From CD/USB or similar? There's a problem where
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a commands needed to add isohybrid
options. I guess that wiki page is out of date. If you look in the
file .disk/mkisofs on the original CD, you'll see the exact command
that was used to make the original image, for reference in exactly
this type of situation. You'll also need to u
Lisi wrote:
>On Friday 09 January 2015 14:19:52 Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> In article <201501091406.08420.lisi.re...@gmail.com> you write:
>> >Are these Jessie installer images hybrid images? It appears not, but I
>> >thought all Debian installer images were now
hybrid, yes. (i.e. disc 1
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Obviously that is post-restart.
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>On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 14:51:11 +0000
>Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> You might be in luck - I'm looking into installer stuff right now and
>> I've literally just got an Intel Mac Mini like yours last night to
>> play with.
ct.
To confirm that, could you try the wheezy installer CD again for me please?
If it has booted in BIOS mode, it should look like
http://www.einval.com/~steve/images/installer-bios.png
If it has booted in UEFI mode, it should look like
http://www.einval.com/~steve/images/installer-efi.png
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stion and got the following (ie. I did not find it):
steve@debian:~$ find -name adt-bundle-linux*
steve@debian:~$ su
Password:
root@debian:/home/steve# find -name adt-bundle-linux*
root@debian:/home/steve# cd
root@debian:~# find -name adt-bundle-linux*
root@debian:~#
Thanks for your help!
On Thu
I have tried your suggestions and found quite a lot of files with the
word android or eclipse in them but I can not find the file called
eclipse which previously I had which when I clicked on it opened up
the eclipse program. Thanks for your help, Steve
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Andrei
dle. I definitely had it on my system but now I
can't find it. I was wondering if it could have uninstalled itself.
The other possibility is I am not searching in the right places and am
not using the find files procedure correctly.
Best wishes Steve
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Chris Bannister
is already based on
>gradle or you don't like eclipse.
I think I will go for the stable version first but probably should try
both at some time.
Steve
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Marty wrote:
> On 11/09/2014 12:50 PM, Steve Greig wrote:
>>
>> I thought I would try and
very grateful for any insight into this. Basically I don't
really know how to see what software is available to me via apt. I am
running Wheezy.
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Serge wrote:
>Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>> As far as I know it *should* be working. What mirror are you using?
>
>Yes, always Just Worked⢠for me.
>
>First, jigdo tries my local one, recently updated from
>ftp.fi.debian.org, then snapshot.debian.org, then
>us.cdimag
Hi Scott. Thanks very much. I read it with interest and will keep it
for future reference but might not do anything now as the main problem
for me is solved and also I have got very busy suddenly with my
business and other commitments. Hope to get back to it, Steve
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:55
Serge wrote:
>Hey, folks,
>
>Has anybody else get a bunch of 404 File Not Found trying to put
>together 7.7's install DVDs for amd64 and i386? And if so, have
>you found a workaround?
Hi Serge,
As far as I know it *should* be working. What mirror are you using?
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looking like I can do most of what I would like
to which is great.
I did try to do the install that Scott suggested as it would be nice
to have the audio tracks listed from within Dolphin although not
essential. It seems not to have worked. The following is the response
I got:
steve@debian:~$ su
io. In the
past I have accessed CDs without problems on this same computer.
It may be relevant that I often get an error message something like 'apt
update cant access CD drive' (I cant remember the exact wording).
Any help would be very much appreciated. Steve
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:41:21 -0700
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> > > systemd,
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:09:39 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 21 Oct 2014 at 15:01:18 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:19:08 +0200
> >> Liam Proven wrote:
> >>
> >>> A blog post explaining why it
Does Debian still have a systemd-must-die metapackage, and does it
still work in Jessie?
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> On Ma, 21 oct 14, 15:17:58, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > In default new-installed Jessie, does the kernel still hand off to
> > the program called /sbin/init during boot, or does it do something
> > else?
&
e, doesn't mean one
> > doesn't care and won't make the according choice. And calling
> > people who are worried about systemd trolls (and/or haters),
> > worried because they *do* care about Debian, sure won't convince
> > them to stay.
LOL, they *
'd need to go to Lua or Luajit to get a faster
"interpreter".
One of the first things I do when writing software is figure what the
bottleneck is. If the bottleneck is the user's molassas slow 140 word
per minute typing, I'll use an interpreter every time so I'm not
s the kernel still hand off to the
program called /sbin/init during boot, or does it do something else?
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of the difficulties it created for him, personally.
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Good for you. Let's see if you have no issues 2016-08-09, if Red Hat
wins its war against Linux.
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you, I'd rephrase it thusly...
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Check out the outstanding progress that fsmithred and dzz are making
with a systemd-free Refracta. I think that similar construction can
greatly benefit Debian:
===
S
t to another repository (hopefully a
trusted one), so that people could add that repository and thus install
uselessd on Jessie?
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Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >
> > > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to
> &g
under
perfect control, and controlling them is zombie-simple.
If you want, I can even tell you how to control which order daemontools
starts its stuff up in, although that would be a kludge and it would
start looking a little like sysvinit scripts.
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have missed the memo :
> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201410/2014101801-beware-of-trolls---do-not-feed.html
>
The subject of the preceding article link hasn't posted in several
days. I know that because, no matter what name he uses, his posts are
immediately recognizeable.
So wh
ppen to believe that in
the long run the entanglement isn't worth the benefits you mention, but
that's just a difference of opinion between us, rather than the "your
opinion doesn't count" type of thing.
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, what's your impression of the relative b
27;s systemd juggernaut came along, and then all of a
sudden we just couldn't wait?
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nute, Debian has the last clear chance to avoid the
"Poettering Vision", which is really the Red Hat strategy for Linux
monopolization, which means destruction of the operating system we
currently use.
At this point, the technical issues are a minor thing. The big news is
how huma
e can do it on the offtopic list is an insult to
our intelligence. You know it, and we know it.
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's my DE. :D
An afficienado would argue with you that it's a DE only if the apps can
all interact. Me, I'd prefer all my apps mind their own business, but
hey, that's just me.
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make it into an executable. Rapid Application Development, Army Surplus
style, which of course makes me a pariah in the eyes of "real"
programmers. Life's tough.
Thanks so much for cluing me into this!
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> of being controlled by my computer.
Quoted For Truth!!!
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> [Oh and BTW about 6 months or so back gdm stopped working and Ive
> switched to startx
> ]
There's a certain irony. First, IMHO startx is better than booting
directly to GUI. Secondly, now that stopping X gets you to the command
prompt, you can type whatever
e that
wpa_supplicant is a daemon that's begging to be managed by daemontools
instead of the unfathomable shellscripts it's now managed by. I spoze
one could also make a point for managing it with systemd, but I can't
afford the price of that ticket.
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s might need to write to. They need a predefined standard to
write to, and I guess dbus is the standard being used. If I were in
charge of standards, I might have used something simpler (like a fifo
with a very simple data definition) exclusively for notifications (the
official visual and audio hi
==
Reading the preceding, it looks to me like it's used for some fairly
arcane enhancements to the basics of Claws-Mail.
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The process, the questions it asked, and the automatic collection of my
computer's configuration made submitting the bug trivial. *Every*
project should have one of these. Thanks so much for telling me about
this.
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:06:17 +0400
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:24:16 -0400
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 03:00:26 +0200
> > lee wrote:
> >
> >
> > > But when it eats files and is 10 years behind, why are pe
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:06:53 -0700
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700
> > Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>> On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Joh
x "isn't a real
operating system".
But here's the thing, Doug. Even if it were nothing more than your
first two points, it would be a travesty.
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olith and a danger to
computing. The time might come when I need to do the same with Gnome.
Don't assume that users just bend over and take this entangled junk.
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, the world goes on, and systemd is a nonissue.
I think within three or four years we'll know which of the above is
true. If it's A, we'll take Linux back from Red Hat, and with any luck
cause the demise of Red Hat via competition of a superior OS. If it's
B, we won't e
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arting two of them, one by systemd and one
elsewhere. Umm, err, blush, I recently had the exact same problem with
daemontools!
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Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> I meant
>
> /etc/init.d/nmbd
> /etc/init.d/smbd
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
LOL, same here (in my advice on troubleshooting to Pierre)_.
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:44:41 +0200 (CEST)
Pierre Frenkiel wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > are you all sure that the delay *does* happen during the shutdown of
> > Samba? If it turns out not to be Samba, you've just needlessly
> > chase
guard a
> common good and he/she has her/himself interests in that good.
Or, when his paycheck or bribe might cause him to vote a certain way.
>
> This thread is about the inability to accept a outcome of a democratic
> process. Now they claim to own "the right debian"
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 03:00:26 +0200
lee wrote:
> But when it eats files and is 10 years behind, why are people buying
> it?
>
> So how can we safely store large amounts of data?
I thought Postgres was supposed to be powerful, stable, reliable, and
great for lots of data.
SteveT
usness of this case clearly overrides the
> need to hit deadlines
I agree.
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nd should have prioritized dbus-free software
years ago.
And from now on, when people laugh at my ugly, no-dependency, home grown
solutions as "kludges", I'll have exactly two words to say to them:
*Thank you*.
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right thing to do.
Thank you Ian, win or lose. You do good work!
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(obviously rename
the executables), and it works.
Bang, another 0d program!
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Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
> > Rusi Mody wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote:
> >>> - Or
c/rcxx have been removed. How
> is it done?
This behavior is apparently consistent with a known Samba defect, but
are you all sure that the delay *does* happen during the shutdown of
Samba? If it turns out not to be Samba, you've just needlessly chased
your tail for hours or days.
Person
econders, and everyone who is speaking up for
(what I call) sanity.
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). By the
way, could somebody do me a favor and, on an installed (not upgraded)
Jessie do "aptitude show gnumeric" to see if it depends on any systemd
stuff?
I'm also starting to list functionalities provided by the welded on
systemd "tools" so that I can provide them in a
ven be pretty easy to write a shellscript to start
them in the order you desire. Because by default daemontools logs are
all sortably timestamped, it would be trivial to cat then datesort all
daemontools lots to see who's hogging the shutdown time.
This is more than a diagnostic test
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
POINT OF CLARIFICATION:
Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or
upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how
about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Debian and
pro
7;t have a problem
with monolithic entanglement and vendor lock-in, just as long as they
didn't have to pay money for their OS.
As a matter of fact, regardless of what the DDs do, it just might be
true that making either a systemd-free or systemd-neutered Debian
might be mainly a documentati
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:33:38 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:12:51AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise
> > of ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am
> > fre
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:10:47 +0200
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
> > OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise
> > of ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am
> > free to take significant time out of
those helper daemons that are now
welded to systemd, or would I have to drop all the way back to
wpa-supplicant to get rid of the need for those daemons?
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Joel Rees wrote:
> 2014/10/16 5:46 "Ric Moore" :
> >
> > On 10/15/2014 12:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> We've actually been in this place before. Wonderful Linux company
> >> Caldera became SCO (oversim
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:27:20 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
> > > after systemd-logind came along.
> >
> > I rest my case.
>
ed
clever Rube Goldberg software creator Leonart Poettering to create
something that works, but in the long term will be a house of cards
only specialists (primarily Red Hat specialists, they hope) can work on.
Well, that's certainly character assassination (and well deserved in my
opinion), but
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:26 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 22:56, Steve Litt wrote:
> > And how were they handling this task before systemd?
>
> They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
> after systemd-logind came along.
I rest my case.
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:11:10 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51:07AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Check out what single company has 30% of the gatekeepers. Surprise,
> > surprise.
>
> Damned for their success. We want Linux to be successful,
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:02:03 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 17:56:58, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Because you don't want to inextricably drag a giant monolith into
> > your Desktop Environment just to do a few things.
>
> If you compare systemd wi
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:35:54 -0400
Marty wrote:
>
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/whos-writing-linux
>
> Say hello to our new bosses?
Check out what single company has 30% of the gatekeepers. Surprise,
surprise.
SteveT
Steve Litt
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:15:40 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 16:31:04, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Of course, then there's the matters of upstreams requiring
> > systemd...
>
> As far as I understand none of the upstreams are actually requ
e
change management books you'd recommend, especially in light of the
fact that a lot of us want to change the PID1 software one way or
another?
I have a feeling such a book might make *me* more useful.
Thanks,
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troublesho
s.
That's true.
> I have even publicly disagreed with him.
> I continue to value his input.
Same with me.
>
> > ... the whole project would be better off without you.
>
> *NO*
Agreed. Andrei's OK.
I know this impending systemd thing is bringing out the worst
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:34 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 16:48, Steve Litt wrote:
> > So are you saying I could use sysvinit or nosh as my PID1, drop in
> > libpam-systemd and no other systemd components, and have all PAM
> > functionalities run properly?
&
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:37:30 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 15:56, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:25:23 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> Have you actually looked into what depends on systemd?
> >
> > PAM is enough for me, consid
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:51:09 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:40:59AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The solution is trivial. If, as everyone claims, we're such a
> > minority, he could filter us all out and never see our posts again.
> > Prob
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