berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 12.12.2014 14:54, Richard Owlett a écrit :
I.E. "Who is responsible for the integrity of *MY* system?"
The correct answer is the proverbial "Me, Myself, and I."
It is most definitely not an individual nor group whom I've
never met.
There is most definite
2014/12/15 0:28 :
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> Le 13.12.2014 05:10, Joel Rees a écrit :
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>> 2014/12/13 1:29 :
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>> > Le 12.12.2014 16:46, Joel Rees a écrit :
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>> >> I did say it was not the dbus you download from freedesktop.org
>> [2] [5],
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>> >> didn't I? ;-/
>> >
>> >
>> > Indeed.
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>> >
On 12/12/2014 10:46 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
2014/12/13 3:44 "Miles Fidelman" :
So... in all of this thread, I have yet to see anybody actually talk
about 9p or plumber - details, and more importantly, in comparison to D-Bus.
People are concerned about impacts to their particular use cases, whic
Le 13.12.2014 05:10, Joel Rees a écrit :
2014/12/13 1:29 :
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> Le 12.12.2014 16:46, Joel Rees a écrit :
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>> I did say it was not the dbus you download from freedesktop.org
[2] [5],
>> didn't I? ;-/
>
>
> Indeed.
>
>
>> My understanding is that it is not just a port. Re-written from
On 12/12/2014 2:35 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 12.12.2014 06:13, seeker5528 a écrit :
Personally I would prefer software X gets a poke in the arm and a
message indicating network status changed, screen orientation changed,
configuration changed here, there was an event in so
2014/12/13 1:29 :
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> Le 12.12.2014 16:46, Joel Rees a écrit :
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>> I did say it was not the dbus you download from freedesktop.org [5],
>> didn't I? ;-/
>
>
> Indeed.
>
>
>> My understanding is that it is not just a port. Re-written from
>> scratch, I think. Stuff that just tries to be a lazy man
2014/12/13 3:44 "Miles Fidelman" :
>
> So... in all of this thread, I have yet to see anybody actually talk
about 9p or plumber - details, and more importantly, in comparison to D-Bus.
>
> I mean, 9p has been in the Linux Kernal for years (as compared to, say,
kdbus), and it is actually used in som
So... in all of this thread, I have yet to see anybody actually talk
about 9p or plumber - details, and more importantly, in comparison to D-Bus.
I mean, 9p has been in the Linux Kernal for years (as compared to, say,
kdbus), and it is actually used in some interesting places
(erlang-on-xen, l
Le 12.12.2014 16:46, Joel Rees a écrit :
I did say it was not the dbus you download from freedesktop.org [5],
didn't I? ;-/
Indeed.
My understanding is that it is not just a port. Re-written from
scratch, I think. Stuff that just tries to be a lazy man's sockets
largely left out, I think.
I
2014/12/12 23:30 :
> Le 12.12.2014 14:55, Joel Rees a écrit :
>> 2014/12/12 21:08 :
>> > Le 12.12.2014 13:05, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>> >> On Jo, 11 dec 14, 17:33:51, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [2]
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Plus, it's not portable
>> >>> (anyone have seen dbus on windows? n
Le 12.12.2014 14:55, Joel Rees a écrit :
2014/12/12 21:08 :
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> Le 12.12.2014 13:05, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
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>> On Jo, 11 dec 14, 17:33:51, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org [2]
wrote:
>>>
>>> Plus, it's not portable
>>> (anyone have seen dbus on windows? not sure, but I doubt it's
Le 12.12.2014 14:54, Richard Owlett a écrit :
I.E. "Who is responsible for the integrity of *MY* system?"
The correct answer is the proverbial "Me, Myself, and I."
It is most definitely not an individual nor group whom I've never
met.
There is most definitely a need for such systems as the va
2014/12/12 21:08 :
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> Le 12.12.2014 13:05, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
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>> On Jo, 11 dec 14, 17:33:51, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>>
>>> Plus, it's not portable
>>> (anyone have seen dbus on windows? not sure, but I doubt it's on *BSD,
too)
>>> unlike sockets.
>>
>>
>> From http://www
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 11.12.2014 18:21, Richard Owlett a écrit :
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
Now, if you think multi-user OSes are not that good, I think
there is an OS with a different kernel somewhere (not Linux, not
*BSD, not Hurd, not Windows, not ReactO
Le 12.12.2014 13:14, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Vi, 12 dec 14, 11:35:03, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
So, you have to choose between:
_ having a daemon running everytime, and an application which needs
to
listen at it's socket everytime (I guess it's how dbus works? If
someone
have
On Vi, 12 dec 14, 11:35:03, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
> So, you have to choose between:
> _ having a daemon running everytime, and an application which needs to
> listen at it's socket everytime (I guess it's how dbus works? If someone
> have any clue about this part of internal, I wo
Le 12.12.2014 13:05, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Jo, 11 dec 14, 17:33:51, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Plus, it's not portable
(anyone have seen dbus on windows? not sure, but I doubt it's on
*BSD, too)
unlike sockets.
From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus/
D-Bus
On Jo, 11 dec 14, 17:33:51, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Plus, it's not portable
> (anyone have seen dbus on windows? not sure, but I doubt it's on *BSD, too)
> unlike sockets.
From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus/
D-Bus is very portable to any Linux or UNIX flavor, an
Le 12.12.2014 06:13, seeker5528 a écrit :
On 12/11/2014 8:33 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.12.2014 18:59, Marty a écrit :
If this proves feasible, that's what I hope to do. I just want to
know
if anyone thinks it's a good idea, before I commit time and
resources.
My kno
Le 11.12.2014 20:27, Martin Read a écrit :
On 11/12/14 17:21, Richard Owlett wrote:
There is a market (how large???) for a single user single task
computer
and OS.
It's very large indeed! Apple, and the various customers (e.g.
Samsung, LG, HTC) of Google and Microsoft, are quite enthusiasti
Le 11.12.2014 18:21, Richard Owlett a écrit :
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
Now, if you think multi-user OSes are not that good, I think
there is an OS with a different kernel somewhere (not Linux, not
*BSD, not Hurd, not Windows, not ReactOS...) which wants to build
a single us
On 12/11/2014 8:33 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.12.2014 18:59, Marty a écrit :
If this proves feasible, that's what I hope to do. I just want to know
if anyone thinks it's a good idea, before I commit time and resources.
My knowledge of all of the issues is sketchy at best.
On 12/11/2014 11:33 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Well... this model is still very used in enterprises. I do not speak
about those old mainframes which are still bought by very huge
corporations (at least, I've heard so)
Huh? :D Ric
--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"Th
On 11/12/14 17:21, Richard Owlett wrote:
There is a market (how large???) for a single user single task computer
and OS.
It's very large indeed! Apple, and the various customers (e.g. Samsung,
LG, HTC) of Google and Microsoft, are quite enthusiastic about selling
devices that (superficially)
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
[snip]
Now, if you think multi-user OSes are not that good, I think
there is an OS with a different kernel somewhere (not Linux, not
*BSD, not Hurd, not Windows, not ReactOS...) which wants to build
a single user system.
Can't remember the name, I only rememb
Le 10.12.2014 21:34, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:27:21, Paul E Condon wrote:
What is 'PoC'? Probably will be blindly obvious once I've been told.
Most likely "Proof of Concept".
Yes.
By PoC I mean a small set of program/library which demonstrates that
something is doab
Le 08.12.2014 18:59, Marty a écrit :
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit :
I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary
Debian
users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on
modular-debian but I wa
2014-12-11 13:41 GMT+01:00 Marty :
> On 12/11/2014 02:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 10 December 2014 18:08:00 Martin Read wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote:
>>> > The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti-choice:
>>> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel
On 12/11/2014 02:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 10 December 2014 18:08:00 Martin Read wrote:
On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote:
> The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti-choice:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.h
>tml
It appears to me th
On Wednesday 10 December 2014 18:08:00 Martin Read wrote:
> On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote:
> > On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
> >>> I would even deign to
> >>> give users a choice in the matter,
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> Multi-sea
On 12/10/2014 at 03:34 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:27:21, Paul E Condon wrote:
>
>> What is 'PoC'? Probably will be blindly obvious once I've been
>> told.
>
> Most likely "Proof of Concept".
>
> Wikipedia's disambiguation pages have generally been quite helpful
> for me in
On 12/10/2014 01:08 PM, Martin Read wrote:
On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote:
On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
I would even deign to
give users a choice in the matter,
[snip]
Multi-seat PC and other
anachronisms probably have to go away
On 08/12/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
>> I would even deign to
>> give users a choice in the matter,
> [snip]
>> Multi-seat PC and other
>> anachronisms probably have to go away.
>
> Choice???
>
> Lisi
>
>
Ah, yes choice.
As "Multi-seat PC"
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:27:21, Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> What is 'PoC'? Probably will be blindly obvious once I've been told.
Most likely "Proof of Concept".
Wikipedia's disambiguation pages have generally been quite helpful for
me in figuring out this kind of stuff.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On 10/12/14 03:27 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20141208_1643+0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit :
I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian
users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on
modular-debian but I
On 20141208_1643+0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>
> Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit :
> >I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian
> >users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on
> >modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wid
On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote:
On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
I would even deign to
give users a choice in the matter,
[snip]
Multi-seat PC and other
anachronisms probably have to go away.
Choice???
Lisi
The industry and its p
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
About anachronism... you should read about what is the minitel*, and
then, consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;)
*: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel
Anyone remember GTE Telemail?? :) Ric
--
My father
On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC+5:30, Marty wrote:
> On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
> >> I would even deign to
> >> give users a choice in the matter,
> > [snip]
> >> Multi-seat PC and other
> >> anachronisms probably
On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
I would even deign to
give users a choice in the matter,
[snip]
Multi-seat PC and other
anachronisms probably have to go away.
Choice???
Lisi
The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti-ch
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit :
I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary
Debian
users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on
modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audien
Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit :
I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary
Debian
users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on
modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audience.
I'm starting to get familiar with Plan 9 and D-Bus, to com
On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote:
> I would even deign to
> give users a choice in the matter,
[snip]
> Multi-seat PC and other
> anachronisms probably have to go away.
Choice???
Lisi
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