Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 03/11/2023 00:58, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 10:41:06PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: I am a bit surprised by a use case when temporary unplugging of cable should be ignored. I have not tested it, but I hope, a setting, I have noticed in docs, allows NetworkManager to

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-02 Thread tomas
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 10:41:06PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 02/11/2023 00:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:00:45PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > > > > Doesn't allow-hotplug means adding a network adapter (e.g. a USB one), not > > > plugging network cable into an

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-02 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 11:41 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > [...] > > I am a bit surprised by a use case when temporary unplugging of cable > should be ignored. I have not tested it, but I hope, a setting, I have > noticed in docs, allows NetworkManager to handle it as well. I think it is a bit broader

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-02 Thread Max Nikulin
On 02/11/2023 00:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:00:45PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: Doesn't allow-hotplug means adding a network adapter (e.g. a USB one), not plugging network cable into an existing adapter (built-in or connected earlier)? Following the man page

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread debian-user
wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:17:16AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > > > > > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an > > > Ethernet cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup > > > eth0".

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:00:45PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 01/11/2023 21:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I was just pointing at the fact that even ifupdown can automatically > > bring up an interface on connect (cf. allow-hotplug), courtesy of udev. > > Doesn't allow-hotplug means adding a

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
Max Nikulin (12023-11-01): > I am curious if ConfigureWithoutCarrier= and IgnoreCarrierLoss= from > systemd.network(5) may help. > > NetworkManager has a similar option, unfortunately it may be changed > per-device, not per-connection. I do not have the time to test it anew. IIRC, when I tried,

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/11/2023 18:31, Nicolas George wrote: systemd-networkd plus netplan. It was terrible, the network would get de-configured if somebody pulled the ethernet cable (and that happens a lot here!) and rebooted the machine while they were at it, and the NIS and NFS do not appreciate it much. I

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/11/2023 21:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I was just pointing at the fact that even ifupdown can automatically bring up an interface on connect (cf. allow-hotplug), courtesy of udev. Doesn't allow-hotplug means adding a network adapter (e.g. a USB one), not plugging network cable into an

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 01/11/23 15:33, to...@tuxteam.de ha scritto: On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:17:16AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet cable into my laptop I want to be able to say

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:17:16AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > > > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet > > cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup eth0". > > That's more than I

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Felix Miata
to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-11-01 12:12 (UTC+0100): > More "down to the bolts" folks use ifupdown (I do). If I stick an Ethernet > cable into my laptop I want to be able to say "sudo ifup eth0". That's more than I need to do. systemd-networkd.socket notices and appropriately responds to

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Joe
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 12:19:47 +0100 "Marco M." wrote: > Am 01.11.2023 um 11:43:32 Uhr schrieb Alessandro Baggi: > > > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network > > configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS > > installation with Debian 12. > > > > What is the

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Nicolas George
Greg Wooledge (12023-11-01): > ALL installations of ALL versions of Debian support "ifupdown", also > known as /etc/network/interfaces, for configuring the network. If > your system is NOT a laptop, and doesn't move around from place to > place, this is probably what you want. > > Servers?

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Marco M.
Am 01.11.2023 um 11:43:32 Uhr schrieb Alessandro Baggi: > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network > configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS > installation with Debian 12. > > What is the default method to configure the network? Desktop environments use

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 11:43:32AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. > I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. > > What is the default method to configure the network? Depends on how you

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 01:10:22PM +0200, y...@vienna.at wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 11:43:32 +0100 > Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Hi list, [...] > With SystemD instead of SysV and ip of Kusnetsow and iproute2 with Baturin > you should do it by yourselve. See? Yet another choice (I can't vouch

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread tomas
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 11:43:32AM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi list, > I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. > I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. [...] I don't know how the actual numbers are. I'd guess that

Re: Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread yxcv
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 11:43:32 +0100 Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi list, I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. What is the default method to configure the network? There is an

Alternative to NetworkManager on Debian 12

2023-11-01 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Hi list, I've read on an old email that many don't use NM for network configuration. I'm using it because I replaced some CentOS installation with Debian 12. What is the default method to configure the network? There is an alternative to NM on Debian 12? Thank you in advance. Alessandro.