Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There are 13 root servers, all over the world. Root servers are owned by various organizations and managed by ICANN. The US Department of Commerce has nothing to do with them. No, there are hundreds of them. http://www.root-servers.org/ There are

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-02 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/2/2014 10:50 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There are 13 root servers, all over the world. Root servers are owned by various organizations and managed by ICANN. The US Department of Commerce has nothing to do with them. No, there are

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Once again you don't understand the difference between a single machine and multiple machines acting as a single server for load balancing and hot backups. And by my counting, e-, f-, i-, j- and l-root is five urls,

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-02 Thread David Guntner
Chris Angelico grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Once again you don't understand the difference between a single machine and multiple machines acting as a single server for load balancing and hot backups. And by my

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-02 Thread Bzzz
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 09:26:21 -0700 David Guntner da...@guntner.com wrote: Great points, well worth discussing on the OFF TOPIC list. :-) Except if the 13|377 root servers are run under Debian :-p) -- Alexander Graham Bell is alive and well in New York, and still waiting for a dial tone. --

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: The German problem is, that we don't have our own Internet/ISPs/nodes. German? ICANN is american, the root servers are managed by the US Department of Commerce, the .gov TLD is american... the net is american

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/1/2014 8:34 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: The German problem is, that we don't have our own Internet/ISPs/nodes. German? ICANN is american, ICANN is an INTERNATIONAL organization with members from all over the

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 10:54:27 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ICANN is an INTERNATIONAL organization with members from all over the world. No, is is an international CORPORATION - the difference's huge, even if it's a non-profit one. When you wanna control everything,

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 6/1/2014 11:09 AM, Bzzz wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 10:54:27 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ICANN is an INTERNATIONAL organization with members from all over the world. No, is is an international CORPORATION - the difference's huge, even if it's a non-profit one. When

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-01, Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: There are 13 root servers, all over the world. Root servers are owned by various organizations and managed by ICANN. The US Department of Commerce has nothing to do with them. No, there are hundreds of them.

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Bzzz
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 11:24:45 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: … http://blog.icann.org/2007/11/there-are-not-13-root-servers/ I'll believe this official statement from ICANN over a blog... http://www.dns.icann.org/ ¿ my link also comes from the icann.org site. …

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-06-01 Thread Jerry, AI0K
On 6/1/2014 11:42 AM, Bzzz wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 11:24:45 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: … http://blog.icann.org/2007/11/there-are-not-13-root-servers/ I'll believe this official statement from ICANN over a blog... http://www.dns.icann.org/ ¿ my link also comes

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 09:31:32AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Off topic on the Debian user list? I think not. I think so. That question is more appropriate for the debian-project list because it concerns the umm, cough, Debian project. It doesn't fit under the category of support. -- If you're

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-31 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 31 May 2014 23:39:13 +1200 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz napísal: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 09:31:32AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Off topic on the Debian user list? I think not. I think so. That question is more appropriate for the debian-project list because it

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-31 Thread Paul E Condon
to the Debian 'mission', which heavily invested in the proposition that software is and ought to be open and free (as in freedom). This is what 'discussion among users of Debian' means to me. The subject of the OP is Assange and NSA. NSA has been accused of somehow infiltrating Debian and enslaving

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 11:53:00AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140531_2339+1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 09:31:32AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Off topic on the Debian user list? I think not. I think so. That question is more appropriate for the debian-project

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-28 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: [threading fixed] Am 27.05.2014 16:21, schrieb Diogene Laerce: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article :

Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article : http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ Thank you -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread John Hasler
The title of the blog tells you all you need to know. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 09:41 -0500, John Hasler wrote: The title of the blog tells you all you need to know. JFTR the article includes a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owned. Anyway, I already at the beginning of the Julian Assange affair got the impression, that Julian Assange isn't

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Tamer Higazi
Wrong thread people! Look for a mailinglist where politics, Unidentified Flying Objects, world theories are subject. This is the DEBIAN LINUX Mailinglist OMG! Thank you Am 27.05.2014 16:21, schrieb Diogene Laerce: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article : http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article :

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Ralph Katz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/2014 11:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 11:20 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote: On 05/27/2014 11:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 11:20 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote: On 05/27/2014 11:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Diogene Laerce
On 05/27/2014 05:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 11:20 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote: On 05/27/2014 11:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread steef
On 27-05-14 15:13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I would like to have your advice on that article :

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread David Guntner
Ralf, please take this to OFF TOPIC. Thanks. Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:02 +0200, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 27 May 2014 16:21:50 +0200 Diogene Laerce me_buss...@yahoo.fr napísal: Hi, Maybe I missed the thread : I wasn't there for a while but I

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-05-27 at 17:54 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Ok it seems that nobody is feeling really threaten by the NSA That's something completely different. In Germany we are aware that the NSA does absolutely control German Internet nodes. The German Internet is not German, it's American. Not

Re: Assange and NSA

2014-05-27 Thread Reco
On Tue, 27 May 2014 18:09:56 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: In Germany we are aware that the NSA does absolutely control German Internet nodes. And most American large enterprises are using SAP ERP (R/3), which is made by Germany-based enterprise :) See - control works