Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 08 ian 20, 20:48:53, Linux-Fan wrote: > > * A single swap partition from other (actively used or not) installations. > In this case, changing the UUID _breaks_ all other installations at the > expense of the new installation. I agree that sharing a swap space is > bad with suspend-to-

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 05:04:27PM +, ct wrote: Other than Pascal’s ‘feature’ - I assume he does not like it either - we still do not have a valid reason. Unless one of the debian-installer maintainers happens to be reading this mailing list, you're just going to get educated guesses. It wo

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread David Wright
On Wed 08 Jan 2020 at 20:48:53 (+0100), Linux-Fan wrote: > Michael Stone writes: > > > […] Perhaps some discussion sent to the BTS about alternate > > behaviors would be useful, rather than just rants that "something" is > > "broken"? > > I am not the OP, yet I have often wondered about this beha

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Felix Miata
Jude DaShiell composed on 2020-01-08 14:35 (UTC-0500): > With sufficient memory above 1GB probably a swap file could be created > by an installer For an installation that /requires/ swap, due to a limited RAM target, simply to proceed, an extra swap from the target freespace could be created in a

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Linux-Fan
Michael Stone writes: This all dates from the days when 1) you might actually need swap to complete an install and 2) swap was utilized by partition name and not a UUID. It's reasonable to wonder if the installer still needs to be so aggressive about swap space. There's a bug (842409) dating fro

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Jude DaShiell
installation scripts to handle though. On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, ct wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:04:27 > From: ct > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap? > Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:21:09 + (UTC) > Resent

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Michael Stone
This all dates from the days when 1) you might actually need swap to complete an install and 2) swap was utilized by partition name and not a UUID. It's reasonable to wonder if the installer still needs to be so aggressive about swap space. There's a bug (842409) dating from 2016 regarding this

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread Peter Ehlert
I do understand your frustration, the Manual option for the Debian Installer is complex. It took me a while to absorb, and understand... see further comment below On 1/8/20 9:04 AM, ct wrote: Hello all It is good to see a few comments and help following my original post. I had set aside a fe

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-08 Thread ct
Hello all It is good to see a few comments and help following my original post. I had set aside a few days to try out the Debian system and repositories but sorting out the effect on my main system and finding the cause has used up those days. I now have to return my kit to normal set-up and

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 05 Jan 2020 at 12:42:05 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > Clod Turner composed on 2020-01-05 15:40 (UTC): > > > no matter what options you try to select in the > > partitioning dialogue, the installer will always reformat swap and > > therefore swap gets a new UUID. > > Not true. There's anoth

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Peter Ehlert
that reformat "feature" is hateful. I fail to see any advantage. It does break the other systems, but they can be recovered by editing you fstab file with the New UUID as you know. I use the Manual mode... _auto installers never seem to get it right_ (my way). *Using Manual, select existing

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Joe
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 19:22:58 +0100 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 05/01/2020 à 18:50, Joe a écrit : > > > > Windows uses a swap file, not a separate partition. We are told that > > there is no performance penalty for Linux to do so also. > > Using a swap file can cause a performance penalty if the

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 05/01/2020 à 18:50, Joe a écrit : Windows uses a swap file, not a separate partition. We are told that there is no performance penalty for Linux to do so also. Using a swap file can cause a performance penalty if the file is heavily fragmented. Granted, it also applies to a fragmented LVM

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Joe
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:40:56 + Clod Turner wrote: > Hello all, > > Longer version of the question : – > > Why does the Debian Graphical installer compromise any other Linux > install on the same HDD/SSD by reformatting swap. I doubt that it > affects Windows since it does not use swap (I do

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Felix Miata
Clod Turner composed on 2020-01-05 15:40 (UTC): > no matter what options you try to select in the > partitioning dialogue, the installer will always reformat swap and > therefore swap gets a new UUID. Not true. There's another selectable option I always use: create no swap. /If/ swap is actually

Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 05/01/2020 à 16:40, Clod Turner a écrit : Why does the Debian Graphical installer compromise any other Linux install on the same HDD/SSD by reformatting swap. This is a well known long standing "feature" of the Debian installer. It is not specific to the graphical installer. Also it does n

Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

2020-01-05 Thread Clod Turner
Hello all, Longer version of the question : – Why does the Debian Graphical installer compromise any other Linux install on the same HDD/SSD by reformatting swap. I doubt that it affects Windows since it does not use swap (I do not have any Windows installed so cannot test). I used debian-10.2.0