On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Siard wrote:
I just installed the x86_64 version in my new PC (amd64) with 'dpkg -i'.
After trying to 'apt-get install' the 3 gstreamer*-dependencies,
I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
and voilà: all
On 30/10/2014, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Siard wrote:
I just installed the x86_64 version in my new PC (amd64) with 'dpkg -i'.
After trying to 'apt-get install' the 3 gstreamer*-dependencies,
I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f
Le 29.10.2014 06:38, Charlie a écrit :
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:47:26 -0400 Charles Kroeger sent:
It's very maintained on linux. I suggest you try Opera beta. It's
the
best browser I've used in a long time.
Version:26.0.1656.8 - Opera is up to date
Update stream: beta
System: Debian
Charlie:
Charles Kroeger:
I suggest you try Opera beta. It's the best browser I've used in a
long time.
Version:26.0.1656.8 - Opera is up to date
Update stream: beta
System: Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid (x86_64; XFCE)
http://deb.opera.com
But dependency hell.
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:56:25 +0100 Siard sent:
I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.
Thank you, I have to be honest, I was a bit wary about doing that, so
didn't try it.
Charlie
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On Jo, 30 oct 14, 07:52:37, Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:56:25 +0100 Siard sent:
I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.
Thank you, I have to be honest, I was a bit wary about doing that, so
didn't
On 30/10/14 07:52, Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:56:25 +0100 Siard sent:
I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.
Thank you, I have to be honest, I was a bit wary about doing that, so
didn't try it.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:40:02 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
opera might be closed source and unmaintained on
linux, it's still my favorite.
It's very maintained on linux. I suggest you try Opera beta. It's the best
browser
I've used in a long time.
Version:26.0.1656.8 -
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:47:26 -0400 Charles Kroeger sent:
It's very maintained on linux. I suggest you try Opera beta. It's the
best browser I've used in a long time.
Version: 26.0.1656.8 - Opera is up to date
Update stream:beta
System: Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
Do you use tmux?
No, I do not really see the interest of using it, I must admit it.
One advantage is that you can detach from the session and even log out
and come back later, and it also survives the X server going down.
--
Again we must be afraid of
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 02:41:26PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 23.10.2014 20:40, lee a écrit :
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle
multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly when
I
Le 23.10.2014 20:40, lee a écrit :
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle
multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly
when
I close/spawn terminals and sessions.
# append history rather than overwriting it
shopt
Le 21.10.2014 23:37, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:58:27 +0200
lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using
different slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources
(shell, python2,
Le 20.10.2014 17:29, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:37:56 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
And, finally, I consider myself as a DE user. My DE is built by
myself around a terminal-emulator, a tiling window manager,
Which one?
i3
I use Openbox, which of course
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
The only problem is bash, here: it is unable to handle
multi-instances, so the histories are lost more or less randomly when
I close/spawn terminals and sessions.
# append history rather than overwriting it
shopt -s histappend
Do you use tmux?
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berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using different
slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources (shell,
python2, python3, php, perl, basic, whatever).
Perl isn't exactly slow, considering what it does.
In any case, pick
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:20:25 +0200
lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:
Since you're re-inventing the wheel:
// sxnotify.c
[...]
# aptitude install libsx-dev
Very, very nice!
I'm glad you like it :) There's also 'xmessage', and it requires you
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 00:58:27 +0200
lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes:
But my opinion is that, it's the accumulation of tools using
different slow languages, which will kill the computer's resources
(shell, python2, python3, php, perl, basic, whatever).
Le 18.10.2014 22:44, John Hasler a écrit :
Steve Litt writes:
The process, the questions it asked, and the automatic collection of
my computer's configuration made submitting the bug trivial. *Every*
project should have one of these.
Unfortunately as soon as you mention email their ears
Le 19.10.2014 17:03, Steve Litt a écrit :
Rapid Application Development, Army Surplus
style, which of course makes me a pariah in the eyes of real
programmers. Life's tough.
Real programmers don't need RAD, they only use butterflies (1).
About RAD and interpreted languages, I do not really
Le 19.10.2014 16:15, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:47:03 +0200
Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote:
By the way, I am a desktop user, using fvwm. But I don't want all my
applications to look and feel the same, I don't want everything to
interact with everything, and I want
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on it no longer worked? Do you get any
errors if you start it from a terminal?
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:37:56 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
And, finally, I consider myself as a DE user. My DE is built by
myself around a terminal-emulator, a tiling window manager,
Which one?
I use Openbox, which of course isn't tiling.
and
several applications,
Such as?
On 20/10/14 04:48, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote:
You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form -
it muddies the discussion.
-8---8--
Yes, Dad.
The consequences of your decision to
On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on it no longer worked? Do you get any
errors if you start it from a terminal?
Yes, I got an
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 18:46:11, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on it no longer worked? Do you get any
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 11:29:09, Steve Litt wrote:
An afficienado would argue with you that it's a DE only if the apps can
all interact.
That's your definition, Wikipedia seems to disagree.
Me, I'd prefer all my apps mind their own business, but
hey, that's just me.
How does that work with do
On 21/10/14 05:42, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote:
The snipped. Don't you think?
This is off topic for -user. Please take it to private e-mail if you
must continue.
Agreed, and I regret it.
My sincerest apologies to the list.
Kind regards
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To
On 18/10/14 19:36, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
Great, but that's Gentoo way, we should have made a Gentuish Debian, i.e. port
certain portage features into APT, such as easily control build flgas. But
then it's needed to keep record of not which packages a package depends on,
but which parts of
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that many packages depend
on dbus although dbus isn't necessary for doing the
Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de writes:
As mentioned already in another posting, I think the best, if not the
only solution for Debian would be to split the whole thing in two, one
for desktop environment users and one for users who do not want a
desktop environment. Packages that only
Mark Carroll m...@ixod.org writes:
Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de writes:
As mentioned already in another posting, I think the best, if not the
only solution for Debian would be to split the whole thing in two, one
for desktop environment users and one for users who do not want a
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
Those visual and audio hints are one of the few things that most
programs might need to write to. They need a predefined standard to
write to, and I guess dbus is the standard being used. If I were in
charge of standards, I might have used
On 19/10/14 13:48, Brian wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that many packages depend
on dbus although dbus
On 20/10/14 00:35, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 19/10/14 13:48, Brian wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:47:03 +0200
Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote:
By the way, I am a desktop user, using fvwm. But I don't want all my
applications to look and feel the same, I don't want everything to
interact with everything, and I want to control my computer instead
of being
On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:20:25 +0200
lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:
Since you're re-inventing the wheel:
// sxnotify.c
//
// This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or
// modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as
// published by the Free Software
On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote:
You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form -
it muddies the discussion. Tangents deserve their own, appriately chosen
Subject line, threads - then they get the attention they deserve instead
of being passed over by reader on the
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then why does
Debian ship a version that depends on it?
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On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then why does
Debian ship a version
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask
yourself is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then
why does
Hi.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:24:16 +0100
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should
On 19/10/14 00:29, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:24:16 +0100
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong
Reco writes:
This page tells otherwise:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/claws-mail
OK, it's 'libdbus-1-3', not 'dbus' dependency, but libdbus-1-3
recommends dbus.
Then it isn't a dependency.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
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On Sun 19 Oct 2014 at 00:05:08 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 19/10/14 00:29, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:24:16 +0100
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 14:28:26 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without
Le 18.10.2014 16:29, Peter Nieman a écrit :
As far as I am concerned, I don't have the time right now to learn
the officially accepted procedures of filing bug reports in Debian
Just run bugreport (or is it reportbug? I don't have a Debian
currently, but I'm trying to fix that :p) . It'll ask
On 18/10/14 16:29, Peter Nieman wrote:
And I don't understand TIA, unless it's Spanish.
Thanks In Advance
Well, I thought there was a strong relationship between systemd and
dbus.
Various parts of the systemd suite, including the systemd init daemon,
use dbus to present its control
Le 18.10.2014 16:14, Brian a écrit :
Which once again raises the main question; what does systemd have to
do
with this? The original post gives an unexplained solution to a
non-existent problem.
Dbus is (a crap, but not only) a tool to allow applications to share
informations with other
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
I guess that claws uses (lib)dbus to notify dbus-compliant softwares
that there is a new mail.
Also claws might get a signal from (for example) network-manager if
there is a connection available to toggle its offline/online mode to
avoid unnecessary tries
Great, but that's Gentoo way, we should have made a Gentuish Debian, i.e. port
certain portage features into APT, such as easily control build flgas. But
then it's needed to keep record of not which packages a package depends on,
but which parts of which packages a package depends on, though I'm
On Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, berenge...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 18.10.2014 16:14, Brian a écrit :
Which once again raises the main question; what does systemd have to
do
with this? The original post gives an unexplained solution to a
non-existent problem.
Dbus
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:16:04 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 18.10.2014 16:29, Peter Nieman a écrit :
As far as I am concerned, I don't have the time right now to learn
the officially accepted procedures of filing bug reports in Debian
Just run bugreport (or is it reportbug?
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 19:19:26 +0200
Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote:
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
I guess that claws uses (lib)dbus to notify dbus-compliant
softwares that there is a new mail.
Also claws might get a signal from (for example) network-manager if
there is a
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:30:27 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 18.10.2014 16:14, Brian a écrit :
Which once again raises the main question; what does systemd have
to do
with this? The original post gives an unexplained solution to a
non-existent problem.
Dbus is (a
Steve Litt writes:
The process, the questions it asked, and the automatic collection of
my computer's configuration made submitting the bug trivial. *Every*
project should have one of these.
Unfortunately as soon as you mention email their ears close up.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
On 19/10/14 02:29, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask
yourself is: if
Hi all,
For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into
the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this:
./configure --disable-dbus
I've compiled Claws_Mail from source on Debian. It's fairly easy to do,
it can exist in tandem with the existing Claws-Mail (obviously
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 13:11:23 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
For those of you using Claws-Mail, you can keep it systemd-free into
the foreseeable future by disabling dbus, like this:
./configure --disable-dbus
I've compiled Claws_Mail from source on Debian. It's fairly easy to do,
it can
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