deloptes [2021-05-02 17:44:42] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.
>> One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is
>> much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone.
>> Another is that I have much more
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 05:54:05PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more
> > to be happy with DDG.
> >
>
> Don't try to insult.
Me? How so?
> If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK
Always so
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more
> to be happy with DDG.
>
Don't try to insult. If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK
> To me, honestly, this is a feature, not a bug.
>
I don't care - it does not delivery good search
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.
> One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is
> much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone.
> Another is that I have much more confidence in the Wikimedia foundation
> when it
On 2021-05-02, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> Google on the other hand knows where i am and that i understand german
> and english language.
Ich spreche kein deutsch.
Here in France I got mainly Alfred from both search engines, with a few
birds peeping through further down.
> Have a nice day :)
>
>
>> when I just try to search for "language:en stieglitz" (without the
>> quotes)
> YES! That's what I was looking for. I wasn't sure DDG had this
> feature (although I hoped for it).
Sadly, it doesn't work when combined with `!w`.
[ and I think it'd make sense to allow the shorter `lang:de`. ]
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 09:05:18AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > For example I wanted to know what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind
> > of bird, but I wanted to know how it looks like. DDG results did not
> > even come close to a bird.
>
> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:47:17PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200
> wrote:
>
> (...)
> > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works,
> > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP
> > request header. Would be nice
> For example I wanted to know what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind
> of bird, but I wanted to know how it looks like. DDG results did not
> even come close to a bird.
For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first.
One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app
Hi,
On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200
wrote:
(...)
> If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works,
> too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP
> request header. Would be nice if there were a way to set that
> per-request...
when I just try to search for
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:20:25PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows
>
> With Javascript off:
> 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz
> 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz
> 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz,
Hi,
> Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows
With Javascript off:
1st try: Alfred Stieglitz
2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz
3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stieglitz Snyder Architecture,
Christine Stieglitz
Quite random choice, but
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 01:20:03PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200
> deloptes wrote:
>
> (...)
> > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know
> > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know
> > how it
On Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 07:20:03 -04 Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200
> deloptes wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to
> > know
> > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to
> > know how it
Hi,
On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200
deloptes wrote:
(...)
> I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know
> what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know
> how it looks like. DDG results did not even come close to a bird.
this I cannot
On 2021-04-28 20:49, davidson wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 mick crane wrote:
I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you.
Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies
they still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an
identifying number.
On 2021-04-28 20:49, davidson wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 mick crane wrote:
I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you.
Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies
they still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an
identifying number.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:03:04AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200
> wrote:
> > [...no javaxcript]
>
> I certainly agree with that goal, but I currently disable analytics via
> uBlock Origin, pi-hole, etc.) Disabling JS breaks a lot of (useful)
> stuff as collateral
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200
wrote:
...
> Thetis seems to be paying for Google, in one currency or another. For
> one, fonts and jquery get downloaded directly from googleapis.com, so
> Big G gets a tug each time someone hits their page. Then, they embed
> Google analytics scripts in
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:05:22PM -0400, Yitzhak Grossman wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:49:56 -0300
> riveravaldez wrote:
[...]
> > I have no idea if this Thetis business is pretty popular or well-know (first
> > time I heard about them), but: couldn't be maybe that Thetis paid for some
> >
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:42:23 -0400
Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:20:58 -0400
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> > >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no
> > >> importance because you can also come up with examples where the
> > >> situation is reversed.
> > > Can
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 mick crane wrote:
I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you.
Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they still
seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying number.
Supplementing the observations made
On Mi, 28 apr 21, 17:07:42, mick crane wrote:
>
> I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you.
> Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they
> still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying number.
> mick
If you're using
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:07:42 +0100
mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-04-28 16:05, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> > You've been making some very interesting points here
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:20:58 -0400
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no importance
> >> because you can also come up with examples where the situation
> >> is reversed.
> > Can you?
>
> I meant "you" in a very general sense: I'm pretty sure it's
>> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no importance
>> because you can also come up with examples where the situation
>> is reversed.
> Can you?
I meant "you" in a very general sense: I'm pretty sure it's possible,
but no, I haven't done the necessary work (and I'm not very
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 05:07:42PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you.
Of course they do. That's a selling point (from their POV, at least).
> Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies
> they still seem to
On 2021-04-28 16:05, Celejar wrote:
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> You've been making some very interesting points here about the key
> being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't
> work
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:45:59 -0400
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find
> > information about Thetis hardware security keys, DDG simply couldn't
> > find the company's website: searching DDG for "thetis key" turns up (in
> > the first page of
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:45:59AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Here's a sort of example I just ran into [...]
> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no importance
> because you can also come up with examples where the situation
> is reversed.
Still it might tell us
> Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find
> information about Thetis hardware security keys, DDG simply couldn't
> find the company's website: searching DDG for "thetis key" turns up (in
> the first page of hits) a bunch of Amazon listings, and a bunch of
> reviews of, and
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:05:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
> wrote:
[...]
> > Could you give an example where DDG fails and Google succeeds?
>
> Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find
> information about Thetis hardware security keys,
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key
> > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't
> > work well for me in certain areas
On 2021-03-17 08:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:09:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
[...]
Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG
anyway :)
Pics or it didn't happen ;-)
They never sent my DDG car sticker.
mick
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:09:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
[...]
> Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :)
Pics or it didn't happen ;-)
Cheers
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Joe wrote:
> It may not be long before vendors are ranked or even excluded according
> to their virtue-signalling activities rather than their products.
Yes, I also think this might be the next step ... cause no one is biting on
the adds anyway and there are also too many people trying to
ghe2001 wrote:
> How about DDG as the default, and Google when necessary.
yes - this is the present setting here
Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :)
I guess Google has already lost track of the data and may be algorithm long
time ago, but it's still
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On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:42 PM, deloptes wrote:
> This was in the beginning. Then it became business and now it is political
> and I am not sure anymore if this is exactly what I want, but as said
> technical
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:42:48 +0100
deloptes wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than
> >> DDG. My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather
> >> marginal and that they get most of their advantage from search
> >> context. Of
On 3/16/21 10:42 PM, deloptes wrote:
It is not only resources, it is the algorithm and the personal data in question
- today's news included reference to "privacy labels" :
"DuckDuckGo uses App Store privacy labels to call out Google for
‘spying’ on users"
Celejar wrote:
>> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than DDG.
>> My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather marginal and
>> that they get most of their advantage from search context. Of course,
>> I may be wrong (as nearly always ;-)
>
> It's certainly hard
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:49:10AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > [...] And I do usually access Google without being logged in, with
> > > most cookies blocked, NoScript, etc., so in general
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key
> > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't
> > work well for me in certain areas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
> You've been making some very interesting points here about the key
> being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't
> work well for me in certain areas of interest to me. Perhaps I'm simply
> not sufficiently
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:05:44 +0100
wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless.
> > >
> >
> > Come on, you yourself write below why.
>
> [...]
>
> > Me too -
deloptes composed on 2021-03-14 14:49 (UTC+0100):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> https://www.newtube.app/
> Is it a parody?
I think not:
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless.
> >
>
> Come on, you yourself write below why.
[...]
> Me too - doing the same - but as you say "more or less as good as
> Google's"
Felix Miata wrote:
>
> https://www.newtube.app/
Is it a parody?
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless.
>
Come on, you yourself write below why.
> Let me put an example: a friend of mine is doing biological research
> (mRNA and that kind of stuff).
>
> She relies totally on Google to keep the
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:16:02PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for
> > > which country.
> >
> >
On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for
> > which country.
>
> Ruoghly yes, but what I was aiming at is slightly more subtle.
And I was
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 14 mar 21, 10:03:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >
> > I think by now every avid reader will have an idea of what's going on.
> > The whole fuzzball of metadata you share with Google (your IP address,
> > your browser version,
On Du, 14 mar 21, 10:03:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> I think by now every avid reader will have an idea of what's going on.
> The whole fuzzball of metadata you share with Google (your IP address,
> your browser version, the whole compost heap of cookies, browser metrics
> prior search history
deloptes composed on 2021-03-14 09:59 (UTC+0100):
> Absolutely true - they also changed Youtube few years ago and now it
> suppresses information.
> It became hard to find things that were popping up before, because you have
> viewed similar before. They slipped into USSR v2.0 game. I'm sure
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 11:47:27PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > Interestingly, for my searches recently I've seldom got really better
> > hits on Google.
>
> I'm trying DuckDuckGo for 2 weeks now - it's not bad, but Google is (still)
> the best
This is nonsense. "The
Jeremy Ardley wrote:
> I find that Google has bias and censorhip in some topics, particularly
> those where Google has a certain point of view, or the US government
> does (and this is in areas unrelated to current medical topics).
>
> When I suspect I'm not getting the full results I also check
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:51:09AM +0200, ellanios82 wrote:
> On 3/14/21 1:41 AM, Weaver wrote:
> >>russian search-engine helpful
> >Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially, and a few others.
> >One doesn't cover it all.
> >I just don't use Google.
> >Cheers!
>
>
> - believe that
On 3/14/21 1:41 AM, Weaver wrote:
russian search-engine helpful
Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially, and a few others.
One doesn't cover it all.
I just don't use Google.
Cheers!
- believe that can anonymize
ones google search?
regards
On 14-03-2021 08:59, ellanios82 wrote:
> On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending only
>> on the search engine
>
>
> - sometimes, find russian search-engine helpful
Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially,
On 14/3/21 6:59 am, ellanios82 wrote:
On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending
only on the search engine
- sometimes, find russian search-engine helpful
I find that Google has bias and censorhip in some topics,
On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending only on
the search engine
- sometimes, find russian search-engine helpful
.
regards
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Interestingly, for my searches recently I've seldom got really better
> hits on Google.
I'm trying DuckDuckGo for 2 weeks now - it's not bad, but Google is (still)
the best
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 03:58:48PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote:
> > Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800):
> >> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.)
> > I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits,
> > and
On Sb, 13 mar 21, 15:44:50, Felix Miata wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800):
>
> > (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.)
>
> I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return
On 14-03-2021 06:58, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800):
>>> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.)
>> I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits,
>> and the
>> exact same search
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, Felix Miata wrote:
Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800):
(DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.)
I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, and
the
exact same search repeated in Google return multiple good hits.
--
I
Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800):
>> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.)
> I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits,
> and the
> exact same search repeated in Google return multiple good hits.
The
Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800):
> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.)
I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, and
the
exact same search repeated in Google
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