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On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:25:16 -0400 Carl Fink wrote: > "This list is not moderated ..." > > >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ > > Dammit! > > If this was netnews I'd newgroup debian-user-politics in a heartbeat > and start moving messages there.

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On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:25:16 -0400 Carl Fink wrote: > "This list is not moderated ..." > > >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ > > Dammit! > > If this was netnews I'd newgroup debian-user-politics in a heartbeat > and start moving messages there. There's a

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"This list is not moderated ..." >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ Dammit! If this was netnews I'd newgroup debian-user-politics in a heartbeat and start moving messages there. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com.

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>> Where are you from, deloptes? >> > >I believe he lost the war and is trying to win the subsequent battle. Complotist ! :) Being a little bit serious there, are you *really* thinking that anyone (except the ones selling weapons to the different competitors) are winning anything in a war or

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On 2016-04-05, Adam Wilson wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:41:54 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > >> Unfortunately as a not native speaker > > Where are you from, deloptes? > I believe he lost the war and is trying to win the subsequent battle. --

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On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:41:54 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Unfortunately as a not native speaker Where are you from, deloptes? pgpoGL9p0YJIh.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 04/04/2016 10:21 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: >> Unfortunately, these people are what most of the population consist of. > >> On 04/03/2016 02:17 PM, Adam Wilson wrote: >>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400 >>> Carl Fink wrote: >>> Does this list

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On 04/04/2016 10:21 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: > Unfortunately, these people are what most of the population consist of. > On 04/03/2016 02:17 PM, Adam Wilson wrote: >> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:15:54 -0400 >> Carl Fink wrote: >> >>> Does this list have moderators? Because this is

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:27:32 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > Adam Wilson composed on 2016-04-03 22:11 (UTC+0300): > > > Both the USA and the USSR claimed to be democracies- and neither > > were. > > Only the misinformed and uninformed claim the USA is or ever has been > a

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On 04/03/2016 05:41 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: > Surely the start of the Sino-Japanese war would Moderators... please, I beg you. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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Adam Wilson composed on 2016-04-03 22:11 (UTC+0300): Both the USA and the USSR claimed to be democracies- and neither were. Only the misinformed and uninformed claim the USA is or ever has been a democracy. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive."

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On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 20:47:30 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Adam Wilson wrote: > > > > > I consider the second world war an extension of the first- there > > really was only one "hot" World War, from the 1910s to the 1940s, > > with two major outbreaks of violence as the old

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Adam Wilson wrote: > > I consider the second world war an extension of the first- there really > was only one "hot" World War, from the 1910s to the 1940s, with two major > outbreaks of violence as the old (European) imperial order collapsed and > the new (American) imperial order arose. > >

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 20:30:33 -0400 do...@mail.com wrote: > So far we have read about a conspiracy story, argued over when WW2 > started, even questioned the US motivation for joining in the fray. But we > have yet to read about the lessons learned, so I've made up a short list. > > We've

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 09:52:10 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 02:37:32PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > Hmm, despite what you guys seem to think, WW2 started on 1 Sept 1939. > > It seems obvious that when the war started depends on one's > situation. One

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 09:52:10 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 02:37:32PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > Hmm, despite what you guys seem to think, WW2 started on 1 Sept 1939. > > It seems obvious that when the war started depends on one's > situation. One

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:38:32 + Terence wrote: > I would agree, with the battle of El Alamein coming at the same time, the > Wehrmacht were suddenly- and strategically- on the defensive on their major > Eastern Front, but also in the south, in their "soft underbelly"..

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:37:05 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > ISTR that occupation was over with the re-unification of Germany in > > October 1990. > > Yes for the Soviet Union but not for the USA ;-) > > It's not conspiracy - just check the facts.

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:39:30 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > deloptes writes: > > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I > > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of Germany. > > By this line of reasoning Canada is still a

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 01:11:50 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Terence wrote: > > > As for "Germany is still officially occupied by the USA" I rather think > > that they would disagree! The military occupation of Germany ended in > > 1945... > > What ended in your mind might not be

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 16:06:15 +0100 Terence wrote: > Hi, > > Again, I am not sure where you get your facts- what has the 6th June 1944 > as a date have to do with it? And why not earlier? > > If you are talking about the war reparations demanded by the victorious >

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:37:32 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > >> Thanks Tom. Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his > >> grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941. Tears because he knew we >

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 11:46:37 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 26 March 2016 08:22:06 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Thanks Tom. Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his > > > grandfathers tears the night of

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So far we have read about a conspiracy story, argued over when WW2 started, even questioned the US motivation for joining in the fray. But we have yet to read about the lessons learned, so I've made up a short list. We've learned that if you use all the gunpowder today then your children and

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I agree with Glenn, It was mildly amusing at first- but one can't educate pork. On 30 March 2016 at 13:31, Glenn Holmer wrote: > On 03/30/2016 01:21 AM, deloptes wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > > > >> Charlie writes: > >>> Was Canada conquered by the British > > Enough!

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On 03/30/2016 01:21 AM, deloptes wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > >> Charlie writes: >>> Was Canada conquered by the British Enough! Take it off-list! -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."

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John Hasler wrote: > Charlie writes: >> Was Canada conquered by the British > > Yes. They took it from the French. > >> and did they have a treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty >> with the Brits? > > The British parliament passed a number of acts dealing with the > governance of

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 19:04:01 -0500 John Hasler sent: > Charlie writes: > > Was Canada conquered by the British > > Yes. They took it from the French. > > > and did they have a treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty > > with the Brits? > > The British parliament passed a number of

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:39:30 -0500 John Hasler sent: > deloptes writes: > > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I > > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of > > Germany. > > By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony. What

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:39:30 -0500 John Hasler sent: > deloptes writes: > > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I > > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of > > Germany. > > By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony. What

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Charlie writes: > Was Canada conquered by the British Yes. They took it from the French. > and did they have a treaty with Canada or did Canada make a treaty > with the Brits? The British parliament passed a number of acts dealing with the governance of Canada. These form the "basic law" of

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deloptes writes: > The fact is that the "basic law" imposed by the Allies after 1945 (I > think it was signed 49) is still the official constitution of Germany. By this line of reasoning Canada is still a British colony. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

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John Hasler wrote: > deloptes writes: >> It's not conspiracy - just check the facts. There is nothing signed >> from USA part. > > Nonsense. See > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Treaty > and > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Plus_Four_Agreement See my comment to Terence. These

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Terence wrote: > As for "Germany is still officially occupied by the USA" I rather think > that they would disagree! The military occupation of Germany ended in > 1945... What ended in your mind might not be true. There is no piece treaty with Germany and USA. There is the so called 2+4 treaty

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deloptes writes: > It's not conspiracy - just check the facts. There is nothing signed > from USA part. Nonsense. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Treaty and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Plus_Four_Agreement -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

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Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > ISTR that occupation was over with the re-unification of Germany in > October 1990. Yes for the Soviet Union but not for the USA ;-) It's not conspiracy - just check the facts. There is nothing signed from USA part. Sorry - I was also surprised

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Forgive me... On 28 March 2016 at 17:57, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 3/28/2016 10:08 AM, Terence wrote: > >> Sorry for the typo! The last date should read 1955- to err is >> human...​ >> > But we divine? > ?? > lol > > > >

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On 3/28/2016 10:08 AM, Terence wrote: Sorry for the typo! The last date should read 1955- to err is human...​ But we divine? ?? lol

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Sorry for the typo! The last date should read 1955- to err is human...​

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Hi, Again, I am not sure where you get your facts- what has the 6th June 1944 as a date have to do with it? And why not earlier? If you are talking about the war reparations demanded by the victorious allies in WW1 (by any account largely caused by Wilhelm) they were never paid, and the

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:53:02 +0200 deloptes wrote: > And Germany is still officially occupied by the USA. ISTR that occupation was over with the re-unification of Germany in October 1990. Cheers, Ron. -- Take care of the luxuries

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On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 01:53:02PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > This is also what I thought before consolidating my knowledge on the matter. > There is a simple fact. 6 June 1944 - D-Day - not earlier. > So IMO the west was always hypocritical as it is today. First they sucked > all the blood money

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Terence wrote: > I don't know where the idea that the USA entered the war to stop the USSR > invading Western Europe came from. In December 1941 Germany was deep > inside Russia, and it took the combined Allied might of Great Britain, the > USA and the USSR nearly four years to defeat them. This

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On Saturday 26 March 2016 08:22:06 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thanks Tom. Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his > > grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941. Tears because he knew > > we would declare war. > > > > And I believe thats

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I would agree, with the battle of El Alamein coming at the same time, the Wehrmacht were suddenly- and strategically- on the defensive on their major Eastern Front, but also in the south, in their "soft underbelly".. Of course, this all happened long before GNU/Linux and Debian... On 26 March

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 01:57:33PM +, Terence wrote: > If you count Japan's actions in China and Manchuria then the war started in > the > early 'thirties. If we are to be historically accurate, WWII was a continuation of WWI as far as the West is concerned, and perhaps even of the

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If you count Japan's actions in China and Manchuria then the war started in the early 'thirties. As for Germany, Hitler declared war on the USA on the 11 Dec 41, along with Italy, as Hitler, although not legally bound to support Japan if they were the aggressor, believed that the USA would "beat

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Le septidi 7 germinal, an CCXXIV, deloptes a écrit : > He is mixing up Perl Harbor 1941 Using regexps in a war is fighting dirty for sure. Regards, -- Nicolas George

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On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 02:37:32PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > Hmm, despite what you guys seem to think, WW2 started on 1 Sept 1939. It seems obvious that when the war started depends on one's situation. One could argue, for example, that it started in 1937 with the Rape of Nanking. Haines

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Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Thanks Tom. Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his >> grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941. Tears because he knew we >> would declare war. >> >> And I believe thats the last war we fully intended to win.

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On 26/03/16 01:13, Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks Tom. Its hell for an old fart who can still remember his grandfathers tears the night of Dec 7, 1941. Tears because he knew we would declare war. And I believe thats the last war we fully intended to win. Its all been downhill since. Cheers,