Good morning Zenaan,
good morning Chris,
I'll reconsider to test aliases again. Usually I use the tab key, the
cursor keys and my fingers type some commands automagically.
Regards,
Ralf
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On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:48:02PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
distros
Some distros use aliases for
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
top
In this context
killall -9 -w software_name
is very helpful.
Just stumbled across:
http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter
I prefer 'killall name' (which sends 15 by default)
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Mi, 21 nov 12, 15:54:03, Morel Bérenger wrote:
When I need calculations, I want a tool which can understand simple
things. If I need complex ones, I will take my vim and do some
programming.
qalc, can do conversions as well.
Kind regards,
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On Mi, 21 nov 12, 23:06:52, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano
seems to be more comfortable than vi.
Set $VISUAL or $EDITOR as needed. Or change your /usr/bin/editor
alternative.
Kind regards,
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On Ma, 20 nov 12, 18:59:49, Crypticmofo wrote:
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a
list of the most common commands that you use
According to 'popularity-contest | head -100' I'm using these a lot:
sudo
screen
yeahconsole
rxvt-unicode
mutt
Note: my /usr is
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
distros
Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an
alias, this IMO should be avoided. For at least one distro it was
possible to type unmount instead
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
top
In this context
killall -9 -w software_name
is very helpful.
Just stumbled across:
http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter
I prefer 'killall name'
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:20 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 23:06:52, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I noticed that visudo isn't vi, but nano on my current Ubuntu. Nano
seems to be more comfortable than vi.
Set $VISUAL or $EDITOR as needed. Or change your /usr/bin/editor
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 21:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 15:09 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Mi, 21 nov 12, 09:25:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
top
In this context
killall -9 -w software_name
is very helpful.
Just stumbled across:
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
distros
Some distros use aliases for commands, e.g. something like ls -a has an
alias, this IMO should be
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain
distros
Some distros use aliases for commands,
On 11/24/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 03:13:31AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 14:48 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote:
Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific
Simple things are really simple in bc.
sounds like, yes.
I'll try that someday
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This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is
no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C
programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back
when, which referenced the C commands by function, that I used to live by.
On 21-11-12 23:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote:
I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb
...
mc
Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all
the admin work I need to do, and I don't do heavy text processing. And
my
On 11/22/2012 05:52 AM, Morel Bérenger wrote:
This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is
no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I have a C
programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way back
when, which referenced the C
On 22/11/12 16:35, Doug wrote:
On 11/22/2012 05:52 AM, Morel Bérenger wrote:
This whole thread points out a major problem with using Linux. There is
no comprehensive, cross referenced, command dictionary anywhere. I
have a C
programming reference that was written by Kernegian and Ritchy way
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question
here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a
list of
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56:07AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question
here ..
From the
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:36:41PM -0500, Tony Baldwin wrote:
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:56:07AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
that irc is there really
On 21 November 2012 04:59, Crypticmofo crypticmofo2...@gmail.com wrote:
What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a lot of
dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands everday
It depends on what you do with your computer.
In my case:
mutt
emacs
ncdu
df
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:00 +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
/etc/init.d/some service reload/restart/stop/start ...
Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros.
grep
Very useful!
top
Very useful! Alternatives: htop and atop
I like hwinfo instead of a bundle of other commands.
top
In this context
killall -9 -w software_name
is very helpful.
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It depends on your uses as others have said.
In my case, I am a developer, which sadly does not uses linux at work
(hopefully that'll change someday).
I prefer command-line to graphical file explorer, and have a tiling window
manager (command-line without that kind of wm is a little less
Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the
moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is
useful, if a newbie should lose the desktop environment. Cut and copy
shortcuts perhaps are already known
The problem for shortcuts are that they
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the
moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is
useful, if a newbie should lose the desktop environment. Cut and copy
shortcuts perhaps are
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:31:37PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
You might say where you're coming from - Windows, Fedora, ... ?
aptitude search blah (or apt-cache search blah)
aptitude show blah (or apt-cache show ...)
ip
route -n
ping
So you use these commands everyday? Interesting.
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:34 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~' to start the arg)
cp
To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
cause serious issues.
cat file | grep regex (find all regex occurrences in file)
No,
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:05:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
make
ifup
Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless
for a newbie.
ifdown
ifconfig
Yes
Surely, if one is going to use ifdown, one also needs ifup?
Lisi
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On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:13 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:05:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
make
ifup
Please don't write newbies such commands, that are completely useless
for a newbie.
ifdown
ifconfig
Yes
Surely, if one is going to use ifdown, one
As I said, I still consider myself as a newbie (or a very novice, take
your favorite) :)
2 years can help learn a lot, but learning could be implementing with
something like:
learn(){
read();
understand();
memorize();
learn();
}
cd (there are some tricks, like no args, using '/' or '~'
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
cause serious issues.
What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards?
$ touch .test test
$ ls -A
test .test
$ rm *
$ ls -A
.test
So for a backup hidden
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could
cause serious issues.
What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards?
$ touch .test test
$ ls
PS: Please reply to the list only.
Sorry for that, I am using a webmail quite primitive, and I regularly
forgot to check all fields...
I should search for a portable and lightweight but good software for such
kind of things, I guess.
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:22:10AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros.
Ok, I didn't comment everything, you mentioned several commands that IMO
are only confusing a newbie, those are also two commands that are
unimportant.
The OP didn't ask
On 11/21/2012 03:59 AM, Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that
irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list
of the most common
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that
irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list
of the most common commands that you use
I
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the
moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is
useful, if a newbie should
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
galculator
is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH
gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,,
OTOH
gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)
$man bc
= Too Long;
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:29:20 +1300
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
galculator
is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,, OTOH
gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
Whats wrong with
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a ..
Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full
stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think.
Lisi
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On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a ..
Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as full
stop, and by the United States
Morel Bérenger:
Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit :
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the . is a ,,
OTOH
gcalctool does completely display what you typed.
Whats wrong with bc/dc? :)
Jochen Spieker:
Morel Bérenger:
$man dc
= reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple
calculations and conversions...
That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science.
No, dc is a perfect tool for simple calculations and conversions.
Instead of entering e.g.
On Nov 21, 2012 7:57 PM, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote:
Jochen Spieker:
Morel Bérenger:
$man dc
= reverse-polish ? What is it? It is surely not for simple
calculations and conversions...
That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science.
No, dc is a perfect tool
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize
that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question
here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a
list
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 12:21 -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you
used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its
name.
Is there a way to get some smarter autocompletion?
Assumed I can't rember the command name
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:02:56 -0600
Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
Crypticmofo wrote:
What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a
lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands
everday
I use dpkg when I'm in trouble, or if I need to
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote:
I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb
I do the same. Usually I build packages, instead of running make
install and I don't have my own repository.
mc
Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all
the admin work I
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
The num pad on the German keyboard has got a , instead of a ..
Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as
full
stop, and by the United States Americans as point, I think.
Depends on context. Point for
Hello
I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that
irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here ..
From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list
of the most common commands that you use
I already know of the docs
You might say where you're coming from - Windows, Fedora, ... ?
aptitude search blah (or apt-cache search blah)
aptitude show blah (or apt-cache show ...)
ip
route -n
ping
should get you going...
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For Debian and Ubuntu I prefer to use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_(software)
instead of command line. There's only one distro where I like the
command line for managing packages from repositories, but for DEBs and
RPMs IMO GUIs are more comfortable and especially Synaptic is a really
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