memtest86+ on UEFI (was: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router)

2023-12-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Interesting. I have memtest86+ 6.10-4, for amd64, on the machine. Then AFAIK it is not a known problem (IOW, it should work). > Maybe I'll try a USB stick version. IIRC the memtest86+ Debian package comes with .iso files which you can (manually) put into /boot/images/ and which boot in a slig

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-12-02 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 11:58:11 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Note: Memtest86 does not appear to work. I believe that is a known > > problem with UEFI machines. > > AFAIK the current memtest86+ (not to be confused with memtest86, which > is proprietary) claims to work fine on UEFI. > IIUC the o

Getting UEFI to boot Debian (was: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router)

2023-12-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> For the curious, I occasionally need to run Microchip MPLAB, the old > pre-Java version which doesn't do Linux. It only just about does > Windows... I used to think Serif software was buggy until I tried > Microchip stuff. Setting it up might take some work (especially if you need it to have dir

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-12-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Note: Memtest86 does not appear to work. I believe that is a known > problem with UEFI machines. AFAIK the current memtest86+ (not to be confused with memtest86, which is proprietary) claims to work fine on UEFI. IIUC the one in oldstable doesn't OTOH. Stefan

Re: Set UEFI boot target with Windows (was: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router)

2023-11-30 Thread Joe
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:27:59 +0100 Arno Lehmann wrote: > > ... have you ever tried > > bcdedit /bootsequence > > In general, the built-in help of bcdedit is not bad, needs a bit of > patience, though. > > And of course we lack the flexibility of tools such as awk or sed on > Windows, to a

Set UEFI boot target with Windows (was: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router)

2023-11-30 Thread Arno Lehmann
Bit of a digression here, probably better not to pursue *this* on the mailing list, but... Am 30.11.2023 um 12:52 schrieb Joe: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:34:30 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: As I understand things, a well functioning UEFI system does not need to use GRUB. The entries for Linux

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-30 Thread Joe
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:34:30 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > As I understand things, a well functioning UEFI system does not need > to use GRUB. The entries for Linux and Windows will be in the UEFI > boot menu, and you can boot directly using EFI variables. > It's the 'well functioning' tha

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-29 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 6:17 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:57:28 -0700 > Charles Curley wrote: > > > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > > router/gateway computer. > > Th

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-29 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:57:28 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > router/gateway computer. Thank you all for much useful advice. I ended up with an ACEMAGIC T8 Plus

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-16 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 15:56 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > The FriendlyPC version run a vendor version of Debian with some packages > especially compiled for the device such as ffmpeg and graphics drivers > > Armbian is usually a bit slower in releases and produces a more > canonical Debian versi

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-16 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 10:49 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > > I'm currently running a Globalscale SheevaPlug and a DreamPlugs but > > Debian support for the old ARM architecture is likely to end soon. > > (Dropping it seems to come up each release, but so far they're > > still > > releasing

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-16 Thread basti
On 16.11.23 16:49, Stefan Monnier wrote: My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian. Are these the usual SBC setup where you have to run the vendor kernel,

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an >> exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for >> Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian. > > Are these the usual SBC setup where you have to run the vendor kernel, > plus possibly other custom bits,

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread jeremy ardley
On 16/11/23 15:40, Tixy wrote: On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 09:04 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian. Are these the usual SBC se

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2023-11-16 at 09:04 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an > exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for > Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian. Are these the usual SBC setup where you have to run t

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread jeremy ardley
On 16/11/23 10:15, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 09:04:55 +0800 jeremy ardley wrote: My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options for Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian. They can provid

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 09:04:55 +0800 jeremy ardley wrote: > My current favourites are RK3588 based CPU SBC devices which have an > exceptionally fast set of CPUs, high speed networking, and options > for Debian or Ubuntu or OpenWRT or Armbian. They can provide a > network storage service as well a

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread jeremy ardley
On 14/11/23 08:42, Dan Ritter wrote: I bought one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Appliance-HUNSN-Barebone-Storage/dp/B0B53MKZBX/ (4 x 2.5Gb NICs, N5105 CPU) -- I paid about $250 including 16GB RAM and a 500GB SSD. Works very nicely. For about $70 less you can get them with 2x 2.5G

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread gene heskett
On 11/15/23 18:37, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 16.11.2023 03:46, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 01:58:05 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: 16 years is a good amount of value. :) Is it Pentium 4 on ITX motherboard? Nope. FIT-PC, first iteration. Processor is an AMD Geode S

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 16.11.2023 03:46, Charles Curley wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 01:58:05 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: 16 years is a good amount of value. :) Is it Pentium 4 on ITX motherboard? Nope. FIT-PC, first iteration. Processor is an AMD Geode SBC. https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=c256a73072

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 01:58:05 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: > 16 years is a good amount of value. :) > Is it Pentium 4 on ITX motherboard? Nope. FIT-PC, first iteration. Processor is an AMD Geode SBC. https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=c256a73072 I did buy a spare hard drive for each, and

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 15.11.2023 18:47, Charles Curley wrote: On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:31:52 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: On 15.11.2023 07:56, Stefan Monnier wrote: [...] [...] I wrote that email as a word of caution, because Roberto had mentioned he is looking for the device with the same conditions

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-15 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 12:31:52 +0500 "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: > On 15.11.2023 07:56, Stefan Monnier wrote: > [...] > [...] > I wrote that email as a word of caution, because Roberto had > mentioned he is looking for the device with the same conditions as > OP, which is "no fans". > And

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-14 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 15.11.2023 07:56, Stefan Monnier wrote: This looks too good to be true and raises many red flags. According to Intel specs [1] for this processor it's 28W of heat to dissipate and that is Base Power only, Turbo Boost is whooping 64W(!). IMO it is impossible to do with fan-less design at this

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> This looks too good to be true and raises many red flags. > According to Intel specs [1] for this processor it's 28W of heat to > dissipate and that is Base Power only, Turbo Boost is whooping 64W(!). > IMO it is impossible to do with fan-less design at this small size, so there > will be at lea

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-14 Thread debian-user
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:28PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > > router/gateway computer. > > > > It should run Debian. > >

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-14 Thread basti
On 14.11.23 10:45, Anssi Saari wrote: Charles Curley writes: My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. I built a router with an APUD4D board and case from pcengines.ch. They'

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-14 Thread Anssi Saari
Charles Curley writes: > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > router/gateway computer. I built a router with an APUD4D board and case from pcengines.ch. They're going out of production but are c

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-13 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 14.11.2023 04:08, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:28PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. It should run Debian. I

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-13 Thread Dan Ritter
Charles Curley wrote: > It should run Debian. > > It should either have two gigabit (or better) Ethernet interfaces or > have suitable expansion capability. > > It should be quiet: no fans, and low power requirements. A small > physical footprint would be nice. > > Most of the time it will run

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 5:58 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > router/gateway computer. > > It should run Debian. > > It should either have two gigabit (or better)

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-13 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:28PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 > Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a > router/gateway computer. > > It should run Debian. > > It should either have two gigabit (or

Re: Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-13 Thread jeremy ardley
On 14/11/23 06:57, Charles Curley wrote: My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. It should run Debian. It should either have two gigabit (or better) Ethernet interfaces or h

Hardware Advice Wanted: Router

2023-11-13 Thread Charles Curley
My FIT-PCs that provide network services are getting old, and i386 Linux is slowly fading away. So I would like to replace them with a router/gateway computer. It should run Debian. It should either have two gigabit (or better) Ethernet interfaces or have suitable expansion capability. It should

Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-11 Thread Curt
On 2019-08-10, Richard Hector wrote: > > Similarly, one of our local fuel stations has (or had) vouchers that say > things like '10c per litre off every litre of fuel' - which also quickly > gets into trouble if taken literally :-) You mean that would mean 20c off the second litre and 30c off the

Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-11 Thread mick crane
On 2019-08-10 23:44, Richard Hector wrote: On 11/08/19 3:06 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 10 Aug 2019 at 21:19:31 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote: On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote: Richard Hector wrote: Sorry, this usage grates with me. $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount

Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-10 Thread Richard Hector
On 11/08/19 3:06 AM, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 10 Aug 2019 at 21:19:31 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote: >> On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote: >>> Richard Hector wrote: >>> Sorry, this usage grates with me. $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price >

Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-10 Thread David Wright
On Sat 10 Aug 2019 at 21:19:31 (+1200), Richard Hector wrote: > On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote: > > Richard Hector wrote: > > > >> > >> Sorry, this usage grates with me. > >> > >> $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price > >> > >> $x times $price means multiply $price b

Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-10 Thread Richard Hector
On 10/08/19 9:10 PM, deloptes wrote: > Richard Hector wrote: > >> >> Sorry, this usage grates with me. >> >> $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price >> >> $x times $price means multiply $price by $x >> >> so "2 times cheaper (than $450)" is: >> >> $450 - (2 x $450) = -$450.

Re: OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-10 Thread deloptes
Richard Hector wrote: > > Sorry, this usage grates with me. > > $amount cheaper that $price means subtract $amount from $price > > $x times $price means multiply $price by $x > > so "2 times cheaper (than $450)" is: > > $450 - (2 x $450) = -$450. so what multiplied by 2 gives 450? 450

OT "x times cheaper", was: Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-10 Thread Richard Hector
On 10/08/19 6:20 AM, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:16:49PM -0400, Celejar wrote: >> When you say five times cheaper, I gather you're talking about the >> prices for used units, in which case it's not really an >> apples-to-apples comparison. At least when I checked, the new units on >>

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread Steven Mainor
I bought a turris omnia router recently and so far it has worked out pretty well. -- Steven Mainor On August 9, 2019 12:59:34 PM EDT, Reco wrote: >On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote: >> John Hasler wrote: >> >> > Steven Mainor writes: >> > > It looks like there are some

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Crochelt
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 10:14, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote: > > > Gene, > > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of > > us! Bob Crochelt > > My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an >

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread Reco
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:16:49PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 19:59:34 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > > ... > > > > This one was very appealing > > > https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread John Hasler
$430 is way above my budget. "Linksys" and "Wireless" are both negatives. Maybe, if I could get it for $10 at a yard sale... -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 19:59:34 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote: ... > > This one was very appealing > > https://www.amazon.de/DMC-Taiwan-Industrial-Networking-Processor/dp/B07T3TWYLJ/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=acros

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread Reco
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 06:16:21PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > > > Steven Mainor writes: > > > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. > > > > Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I > > think I'll order one today. The an

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread deloptes
John Hasler wrote: > Steven Mainor writes: > > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. > > Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I > think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a > router/firewall is getting flaky. I've

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 09 August 2019 07:59:07 Bob Crochelt wrote: > Gene, > I’m scheduled for some heart rewiring myself. Good luck to the both of > us! Bob Crochelt My heart guy is out of the country till around Sept 1. So I'm takeing an extra half a 7.5gr warfarin pill a day to ward off another clot/bloc

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
tomás, on 2019-08-09: > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: [...] > >My message was actually addressed to anyone > > on the list, especially some writers with stronger language than > > usual, but I can't recall you being part of this set. Yes, I

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread John Hasler
Steven Mainor writes: > It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. Excellent. When I looked yesterday Amazon said "None available". I think I'll order one today. The ancient Dell I'm now using as a router/firewall is getting flaky. I've wanted to replace it some time b

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 12:24:41PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: [...] > Good morning tomás, > > Sincere apologies if you took it personally, No worries, I didn't. Not as an offense, by the least. No need to apoligize. > I did not intend to > targe

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Crochelt
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019, at 03:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote: > > > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as > > > Servers. > > > > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up,

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: > > tomás, on 2019-08-09: > > > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, > > > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) > > > > Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it... > > > >

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-09 Thread Igor Cicimov
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 3:35 PM Steven Mainor wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus > on > security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5 > people at most. > > My requirements are: > > A server setup that can be run

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 11:12:22AM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote: > tomás, on 2019-08-09: > > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, > > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) > > Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it... > > It sounds like

Re: [OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Étienne Mollier
tomás, on 2019-08-09: > (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, > but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) Oh my ${DEITY}, once you see it, you cannot "un-see" it... It sounds like a good opportunity to recall the code of conduct of the list; in addition to o

[OT] Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread tomas
[...] > No, > I am helping the OP. As one wise man said once: from shit you can make only > shit [...] This wise man didn't know about agriculture, then. (Yes, and there's some hidden message in my seemingly OT comment, but I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader ;-) Nevermind, cheers --

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 08 August 2019 18:01:01 ghe wrote: > On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as > > Servers. > > At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with > clones of hardware and software near at hand. And runni

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread ghe
On 8/8/19 4:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I also hear stories about people, using Raspberry Pi Systems as Servers. At least a 3+, on a T1, with a good UPS, well backed up, and with clones of hardware and software near at hand. And running Debian. Under those conditions, they do just fine. --

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Steven Mainor
It looks like there are some ESPRESSOBIN v7s on Amazon right now. -- Steven Mainor On August 8, 2019 11:16:44 PM EDT, John Hasler wrote: >Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. >> Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin,

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. > Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both > (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian > Buster. The ESPRESSObin would fulfill my requirements, but does n

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread deloptes
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > You might theoretically be helping millions of others reading along who > appreciate your continued inout about a derived subject - but it is more > sensible to me, and more visible to those who want that help, if you > change the subject line to match your derived topic.

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread David Christensen
On 8/8/19 7:22 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: To summarize: if you're running ZFS, it can protect you from lots of sources of data corruption. It can't protect you from RAM errors without ECC, so you should opt for ECC if integrity is your goal. None of the other filesystems protect you against RAM error

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:49:06PM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: So is the general consensus that there are no modern SBCs powerful enough to run nextcloud on (apache, mariadb, php) or a mail server (typical postfix, dovecot, opendkim, SpamAssassin etc... ) for a handful of people? That seems hard

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Steven Mainor wrote: > So is the general consensus that there are no modern SBCs powerful enough to > run nextcloud on (apache, mariadb, php) or a mail server (typical postfix, > dovecot, opendkim, SpamAssassin etc... ) for a handful of people? That seems > hard to believe. > I would certain

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Steven Mainor
So is the general consensus that there are no modern SBCs powerful enough to run nextcloud on (apache, mariadb, php) or a mail server (typical postfix, dovecot, opendkim, SpamAssassin etc... ) for a handful of people? That seems hard to believe. -- Steven Mainor On August 8, 2019 12:14:23 PM

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Curt
On 2019-08-08, Dan Ritter wrote: >> >> I think you are missing the point: When someone asks a question on this >> list, then that someone gets to decide what the question is. > > Sure. But they also bear the burden of communicating precisely > what it is that they are asking for, and accepting

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Judah Richardson
My experience with Linux forums over the years is that more effort is spent trying to find reasons to call people asking questions lazy and stupid (or dissing Windows/Windows users when the OP never even mentioned either) than actually helping them. So far this mailing list is below average on tha

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Reco (2019-08-08 17:25:02) > Hi. > > On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:54:17PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > > Then Intel stopped making desktop boards and I wanted ZFS. ZFS > > > > > wants ECC memory. It was time to migrate to server hardware. > > > > > > > > My understanding

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting deloptes (2019-08-08 17:13:03) > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-) > > But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the > first half contradicts the second. Of course you could use any > hardware that runs li

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, Aug 08, 2019 at 04:54:17PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > Then Intel stopped making desktop boards and I wanted ZFS. ZFS > > > > wants ECC memory. It was time to migrate to server hardware. > > > > > > My understanding is that ZFS's need / desire for ECC is something

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread deloptes
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Indeed. > > Reading the whole initial post (not only first half) is good too ;-) But please, I tried to make the statement more precise, cause the first half contradicts the second. Of course you could use any hardware that runs linux as a server, but putting those dema

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dan Ritter (2019-08-08 16:22:07) > Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:59:44 -0700 > > David Christensen wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > Get at least four internal SATA 6 Gbps ports -- boot disk, optical > > > disk, two data disks (mirrored). I prefer six. > > > > Do most people ru

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dan Ritter (2019-08-08 16:19:37) > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Question was not "please advice on buying what you consider a > > server" but "please advice on buying what original poster considers > > a server". > > A bit of elucidation was in order, since to many people "server > hard

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:59:44 -0700 > David Christensen wrote: > > ... > > > Get at least four internal SATA 6 Gbps ports -- boot disk, optical disk, > > two data disks (mirrored). I prefer six. > > Do most people running servers really want / need an optical disk? As > long a

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-08-08 12:39:35) > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as > > > > server: > > > > > > > > > I have observed that contributor

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 23:59:44 -0700 David Christensen wrote: ... > Get at least four internal SATA 6 Gbps ports -- boot disk, optical disk, > two data disks (mirrored). I prefer six. Do most people running servers really want / need an optical disk? As long as the machine can boot via USB, is a

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Steven Mainor wrote: > I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary > focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that > will serve 3 to 5 people at most. David Christensen writes: > Have you considered a mail hosting provider? The Internet is a war > zon

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 08, 2019 04:50:31 AM Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: > > > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency > to fall in two categories: > > - those who try to unders

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Kenneth Parker (2019-08-08 12:39:35) > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as > > > server: > > > > > > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a > > tendency

Re: Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019, 4:50 AM Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-08-08): > > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: > > > I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency > to fall in two categories: > > - those who try to understand what th

Helpful attitude (was: Server hardware advice.)

2019-08-08 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (12019-08-08): > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: I have observed that contributors on this mailing-list have a tendency to fall in two categories: - those who try to understand what the original poster says in order to reply in the most helpful mann

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 07 aug 19, 10:21:25, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Disregarding OSHW I agree that above options are good highlights. > Additionally I suggest Olimex A64-Olinuxino and ESPRESSObin, both > (unlike above options) known to be mainlined and work with Debian > Buster. The Rock64Pro (possibly wi

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-08 Thread David Christensen
On 8/6/19 10:29 PM, Steven Mainor wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on security. Have you considered OpenBSD? Security is their top priority. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve 3 to 5 people at most. Have you

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread deloptes
Steven Mainor wrote: > I would say a server is any piece of software or hardware that serves data > to other devices. > Well strictly speaking two different things are referred as server: hardware software In your case you are talking about buying hardware - correct? And if you

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:12:20 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: > > > Newer server hardware is much more power efficient and will draw very > > little power when idle. This is one of the drawbacks to saving money by > > using old hardware. (You can still use old hardware, just be sure

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread jochen-2019-q2
Am 07.08.2019 um 10:21 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: Quoting Reco (2019-08-07 08:53:52) On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: I'm looking for advice on how to build a home server with a primary focus on security. I plan to run nextcloud and a mail server that will serve

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Steven Mainor
I would say a server is any piece of software or hardware that serves data to other devices. I have run an apache2/mariadb/php server from an old laptop with a headless LTS Linux for over two years without issue. Surely you aren't saying only a rack mounted 64 core monstrosity with a TB of ram

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread ghe
Depends on what you're trying to do. I run a small domain on a T1 without pictures or audio, so I'm using a Raspberry Pi 3 as a server. Quite a bit faster than the old PDP-11s the 'Net started out with, and significantly less expensive. And smaller. My domain used to be a lot larger, but still a

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 05:12:20PM +0200, deloptes wrote: Michael Stone wrote: Newer server hardware is much more power efficient and will draw very little power when idle. This is one of the drawbacks to saving money by using old hardware. (You can still use old hardware, just be sure it's new

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread deloptes
Michael Stone wrote: > Newer server hardware is much more power efficient and will draw very > little power when idle. This is one of the drawbacks to saving money by > using old hardware. (You can still use old hardware, just be sure it's > new enough that it's from the era when power efficiency

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 04:53:52PM +0200, deloptes wrote: Years ago I build one to serve our needs at home. It has 4 virtual CPU and 32GB RAM - it uses 85Watt of power when not under load and it goes to above 100 if I compile software on it. It uses 10Watt more if I run a virtual machine (virtual

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread deloptes
Steven Mainor wrote: > I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the hard drive(s) > I already have drives. Less is better. When I read server hardware I understand also server hardware. It has many CPUs a lot of ram, redundant power supply etc. It consumes a lot of power and costs

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread mick crane
On 2019-08-07 11:13, Nektarios Katakis wrote: On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 02:08:30 -0400 Steven Mainor wrote: You are correct. That was an oversight. Of all the items on that page I could probably afford the screwdriver and the heatsinks. I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 05:58:57AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Those seem like options to consider. The > pre-orders for the helios4 seem to be sold out for now. They are currently at fourth "campaign", i.e. they're manufacturing a fourth batch. Supply is limi

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Steven Mainor (2019-08-07 12:04:35) > Perhaps you are right about usb 2.0. And the Olimex A64-OLinuXino does > seem like a solid option otherwise. > > I wasn't able to verify which usb the Olimex A64-OLinuXino had. It > didn't specifically say on the specs page. And the github link for t

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Nektarios Katakis
On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 02:08:30 -0400 Steven Mainor wrote: > You are correct. That was an oversight. > > Of all the items on that page I could probably afford the screwdriver > and the heatsinks. > > I would like to keep the budget under $500 not including the hard > drive(s) I already have drives

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Steven Mainor
Perhaps you are right about usb 2.0. And the Olimex A64-OLinuXino does seem like a solid option otherwise. I wasn't able to verify which usb the Olimex A64-OLinuXino had. It didn't specifically say on the specs page. And the github link for the schematic seems to be broken. https://github.com

Re: Server hardware advice.

2019-08-07 Thread Steven Mainor
Thanks for the reply. Those seem like options to consider. The pre-orders for the helios4 seem to be sold out for now. -- Steven Mainor On August 7, 2019 2:53:52 AM EDT, Reco wrote: >On Wed, Aug 07, 2019 at 01:29:21AM -0400, Steven Mainor wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm looking for advice on how t

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