On 2015-08-01, pjw wrote:
> As I recall, if expert install is selected from the initial screen,
> the option of using non-free will eventually be presented, which would
> likely provide the missing firmware.
>
There's also a netinst.iso with the non-free firmware included, which
seems the most st
As I recall, if expert install is selected from the initial screen, the option
of using non-free will eventually be presented, which would likely provide the
missing firmware.
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 21:46:31 -0500, David Bruce wrote:
>
> > 5. (most troubling) - I posted a couple of days ago that I had
> > trouble with DHCP not working during install, and have had exactly
> > zero follow-ups (although I did receive one very nice off-li
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 21:46:31 -0500, David Bruce wrote:
> 5. (most troubling) - I posted a couple of days ago that I had trouble
> with DHCP not working during install, and have had exactly zero
> follow-ups (although I did receive one very nice off-list email
> suggestion, which unfortunately di
On Wednesday 29 July 2015 01:32:15 Joel Rees wrote:
> companies catering to consumers
> who like free beer and ignoring consumers who like their toys entirely
> free of beer.
:-)
Lisi
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Michael Fothergill
wrote:
>
>> >> Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was removed from
>> >> Debian main for some silly reason. A lot of hardware needs it
>> >> to function.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree. Having to install the firmware manua
On 28 July 2015 at 18:06, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use
> an
> >> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer la
Erwan David wrote:
Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
it etc. Or not if that is y
Le 28/07/2015 18:16, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
>> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
>> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
>> it etc. Or not if that is your choice.
On Tuesday 28 July 2015 16:54:12 Michael Fothergill wrote:
> For me, normal use of the non-free stuff is a bit like choosing to use an
> umbrella ie useful but non essential that has a designer label printed on
> it etc. Or not if that is your choice.
It depends. If you want to use a particular c
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was removed from
> >> Debian main for some silly reason. A lot of hardware needs it
> >> to function.
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree. Having to install the firmware manually to get X11 working is
> a
> >> bit Arthur Tuttlesque.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:46 AM, David Bruce
wrote:
> I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run
> into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to
> get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is
> a straightforward amd64
Whi
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 3:27 AM, John L. Ries wrote:
> I understand the desire to put "free software first" and segregate out
> packages that don't meet the standard, but if a free driver is not available
> for one's hardware, then I figure the least Debian could do is to offer to
> install a "non
On Monday 27 July 2015 19:30:20 Glenn English wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Michael Fothergill
wrote:
> > On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums wrote:
> > On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote:
> > Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera:
> >
> > In one word, drivers.
> >
> >
On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 14:55 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > Guys, this is not tough. Just put "non-free" in your apt sources
> > file line(s), and you'll never see the difference. The firmware in
> > not unencumbered; it's $free, but not beer free. You can get it any
> > time you ask for it.
>
On 7/27/2015 2:30 PM, Glenn English wrote:
On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Michael Fothergill
wrote:
On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums wrote:
On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote:
Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera:
In one word, drivers.
Don't we mean: firmware. Non
On 2015-07-27, John L. Ries wrote:
>
> Ideals are good, but one still has to deal with reality.
>
You can find some reality here:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:30:20 -0600
Glenn English wrote:
> Guys, this is not tough. Just put "non-free" in your apt sources file
> line(s), and you'll never see the difference. The firmware in not
> unencumbered; it's $free, but not beer free. You can get it any time you ask
> for it.
We are t
I understand the desire to put "free software first" and segregate out
packages that don't meet the standard, but if a free driver is not
available for one's hardware, then I figure the least Debian could do is
to offer to install a "non-free" one (purists should be free to change
the config to
On Jul 27, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Michael Fothergill
wrote:
>
>
> On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote:
> Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera:
>
> In one word, drivers.
>
>
>
> Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was remove
On 27 July 2015 at 18:27, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 07/27/2015 08:46 AM, Hans wrote:
>
>> Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera:
>>
>> In one word, drivers.
>
> Don't we mean: firmware. Nonfree firmware was removed from Debian main
> for some silly reason. A lot of hardw
Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 08:13:29 schrieb john vera:
> > In one word, drivers.
> >
Hi there,
some hardware is not recognized by the insdtallation kernel. I suggest, to
install a minimal systerm from the DVD, then download and install the newest
linux-image-* with another computer and install
this is a easy problem between the keyboard and chair xD
2015-07-27 7:19 GMT-04:30 Lisi Reisz :
> On Monday 27 July 2015 03:46:31 David Bruce wrote:
> > I would still welcome any suggestions or insights as to why the 6.03
> > installer works with my home router, but 8.1 does not.
>
> In one word,
On Monday 27 July 2015 03:46:31 David Bruce wrote:
> I would still welcome any suggestions or insights as to why the 6.03
> installer works with my home router, but 8.1 does not.
In one word, drivers.
Also, have you checksum checked the net install with firmware disk?
Another suggestion, install
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 21:46:31 -0500, David Bruce wrote:
> I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run
> into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to
> get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is
> a straightforward amd64
David Bruce:
>
> I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run
> into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to
> get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is
> a straightforward amd64 setup built from a bundle from Newegg. It h
On 26/07/15 10:46 PM, David Bruce wrote:
I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run
into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to
get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is
a straightforward amd64 setup built from a bund
I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run
into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to
get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is
a straightforward amd64 setup built from a bundle from Newegg. It has
onboard Realtek eth0
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