On Wed 21 Feb 2024 at 23:16:41 (+0100), hw wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-02-21 at 12:55 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Tue 13 Feb 2024 at 08:09:40 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 10:35 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Wed 07 Feb 2024 at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > > > > [...]
>
On Wed, 2024-02-21 at 12:55 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 13 Feb 2024 at 08:09:40 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 10:35 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Wed 07 Feb 2024 at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > I'd use multiple keyboards if I had to do that and just
On Tue 13 Feb 2024 at 08:09:40 (+0100), hw wrote:
> On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 10:35 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Wed 07 Feb 2024 at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > > [...]
> I'd use multiple keyboards if I had to do that and just change between
> keyboards.
Do it if you like. That's what I have
On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 10:35 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 07 Feb 2024 at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > [...]
> > > It's also obvious that "change the keyboard layout" is ambiguous,
> > > and you didn't intend to mean switching between two layouts.
> >
> > It's not at all obvious, and it's
On Wed 07 Feb 2024 at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 21:43 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 11:28:11 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > I'm talking about wayland all the time; you brought Xorg up instead.
> >
> > If that concerned you unduly, you could
Greg writes:
> To "change the keyboard layout" could mean either to select a
> different layout, or to modify an existing layout. In fact, I think
> *most* people would assume the former.
I think the possibility of *altering* the keyboard layout would not even
occur to most users.
--
John
On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 06:58:39AM +0100, hw wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 21:43 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > It's also obvious that "change the keyboard layout" is ambiguous,
> > and you didn't intend to mean switching between two layouts.
>
> It's not at all obvious, and it's not really
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 21:43 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 11:28:11 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > [...]
> > I'm talking about wayland all the time; you brought Xorg up instead.
>
> If that concerned you unduly, you could have put that in the Subject
> line.
It doesn't concern me.
>
On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 11:28:11 (+0100), hw wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 22:25 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 00:11:43 (+0100), hw wrote:
> > [...]
> > > How can it be so difficult to get basic things like that right? It
> > > still sucks because after more then 30 years,
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 01:37 -0500, Brian Sammon wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100
> hw wrote:
>
> > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard layout?
>
> [...]
> https://medium.com/@canadaduane/key-remapping-in-linux-2021-edition-47320999
> I had my share of discussions back then (before Wayland) in the
> context of GNOME and I don't need that again.
Discussions are tiresome, yes. Knowing it won't go well, it's important
to keep them short.
> But do keep your optimism: that's what makes the world better.
I'm not very
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 11:28 +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> hw wrote:
> > On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 14:34 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > "The German layout differs from the English (US and UK) layouts in
> > > four major ways:
> >
> > It's missing out on yet another
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 13:32 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 01:07:24PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > But translating "Ctrl" to "Strg" (if you do not read it as "String
> > or even "Strange" as some people do) is not one of these [...]
>
> Funny. I always
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 01:37 -0500, Brian Sammon wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100
> hw wrote:
>
> > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard layout?
>
> I recently dug into this because I am running Debian on a
> Chromebook, and I want
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 01:07:24PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
[...]
> But translating "Ctrl" to "Strg" (if you do not read it as "String
> or even "Strange" as some people do) is not one of these [...]
Funny. I always read it as "Strangulieren"...
=:-o
Cheers
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Brian Sammon wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100
> hw wrote:
>
> > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard
> > layout?
>
> I recently dug into this because I am running Debian on a Chromebook,
> and I wanted to map the Google-key (lo
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 10:57 +0100, Loris Bennett wrote:
> [...]
> OK, now I am with you. Indeed, I have an HP EliteBook 840 G6 which, to
> my mind insanely, has no 'insert' key, but does have 'call' and 'hang
> up' telephone keys, which are of no use to me. I have tried and failed
> to remap
hw wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 14:34 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > [...]
> > "The German layout differs from the English (US and UK) layouts in
> > four major ways:
>
> It's missing out on yet another major way: Umlaute.
If you reread the wikipedia page, you'll see that umlaut keys are
Hi,
Loris Bennett wrote:
> As many have pointed out, it is short for 'Steuerung', but I have met
> many Germans who refer to this key as 'String'. I am not sure why
BASIC ?
Or the popular bundle theory:
[Strg] (= [Ctrl]) means "String",
[AltGr] (= right side [Alt]) means "Altgriechisch" (=
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 11:35:34AM +0100, hw wrote:
[...]
> > Chances are that someone has an entirely workable suggestion, if not
> > an outright solution [...]
> It's not unusual that people don't like to hear the truth.
I was following this thread with some interest. Now, I'm out.
Cheers
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 09:17 +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2024 00:11 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw):
> > and for almost 30 years we had
> > to manually switch on NumLock every time we started an X11 session
>
> numlockx has been around since _at least_ 2002, so over 20 years.
>
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 22:25 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 00:11:43 (+0100), hw wrote:
> [...]
> > How can it be so difficult to get basic things like that right? It
> > still sucks because after more then 30 years, we still don't have a
> > good way to change the keyboard
on
>> > German keyboards are so badly placed and configured that I need to be
>> > able to change the layout if want to use a German keyboard with a
>> > German layout.
>>
>> Maybe I have misunderstood the problem, but I use Gnome with Wayland and
>> regula
On 6 Feb 2024 00:11 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw):
> and for almost 30 years we had
> to manually switch on NumLock every time we started an X11 session
numlockx has been around since _at least_ 2002, so over 20 years.
Depending on your exact definition of "almost 30 years" that leaves a
gap
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100
hw wrote:
> Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard layout?
I recently dug into this because I am running Debian on a Chromebook, and I
wanted to map the Google-key (located next to the A key, where you usually
expect Caps-L
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 12:24:32AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > I'm not aware of any projects aimed at recreating mature, traditional
> > working environments in Wayland. Maybe they exist and I'm simply not
> > aware of them. Maybe nobody who's capable of developing such an
> > environment
> I'm not aware of any projects aimed at recreating mature, traditional
> working environments in Wayland. Maybe they exist and I'm simply not
> aware of them. Maybe nobody who's capable of developing such an
> environment has the motivation to do so.
I'm afraid X11 users should make an effort
> > So how do you change the keyboard layout when using wayland?
>
> I've no idea. I don't seem to have noticed that X is on the way out.
At this point, I believe there are folks who *believe* that Wayland is
the future, and that everyone should switch to it sooner rather than
later.
I also
On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 00:11:43 (+0100), hw wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 20:59 +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> > On 5 Feb 2024 21:06 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw):
> > > [...]
> > > --- and then I need to be able to change the keyboard layout in
> > > wayland sessions unless I use an US
On 06/02/2024 03:59, Michael Kjörling wrote:
Pretty sure /etc/default/keyboard has been a thing on Debian for just
about forever.
GNOME developers decided that they do not want to support all "bells and
whistles" of XKB, e.g. layout switch using CapsLock and Shift+CapsLock.
So some features
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 20:59 +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2024 21:06 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw):
> > [...]
> > --- and then I need to be able to change the keyboard layout in
> > wayland sessions unless I use an US keyboard. But I only have one
> > of those.
>
> Pretty sure
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 14:34 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> [...]
> "The German layout differs from the English (US and UK) layouts in
> four major ways:
It's missing out on yet another major way: Umlaute.
The Umlaute take whole keys for themselves like other letters, and
since there aren't any
On 5 Feb 2024 21:06 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw):
> Picking from/adding a bunch of available keyboard layouts is an
> entirely obsolete feature. I never need that. I only need to be able
> to change the keyboard layout after picking one once in the installer.
>
> In case I switch to a
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 21:06 +0100, hw wrote:
> And what the hell is 'Strg' supposed to mean?
"Strg" is short for "Steuerung", just the literal translation of
"control".
/ralph
lem, but I use Gnome with Wayland and
> > regularly switch between US and German layouts. I just added the German
> > layout in the 'Keyboard' section of Gnome's Settings and switch with the
> > default shortcut of 'Super + space'.
>
> Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we
ble to change the layout if want to use a German keyboard with a
> > German layout.
>
> Maybe I have misunderstood the problem, but I use Gnome with Wayland and
> regularly switch between US and German layouts. I just added the German
> layout in the 'Keyboard' section of Gnome's
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