On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:09:46 -0500
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote:
as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to
Debian(tm?),
Why is your
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:58:56 -0600
Cybe R. Wizard cybe_r_wiz...@earthlink.net wrote:
It's a car punch machine:
^
d
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM26.jpg
...caRd punch machine.
Cybe R. Wizard
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Larry Niven, Steven Barnes
On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:31:03 Richard Owlett wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote:
as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to
Debian(tm?),
Why is your seniority relevant?
Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world
Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
It's a car punch machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM26.jpg
Car punch?
http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/E-Honda-Car-Punch.jpg
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In practice, there is. Yogi Berra
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To
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:31:03 Richard Owlett wrote:
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote:
as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to
Debian(tm?),
Why is your seniority relevant?
Just trying to convey that I've enough
On Thu, 2013-02-28 at 10:27 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
Cities that switched from Microsoft to Linux, for their departments,
switched back to Windows.
Not all. IIRC I've heard of Zurich, recently, said anew that it is
interesting to switch to linux because very, very cheaper.
And in
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:08:58 -0500
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
It's a car punch machine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM26.jpg
Car punch?
http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/E-Honda-Car-Punch.jpg
Heh, I needed that.
David Guntner wrote:
Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple.
...
# Duplicate Suppression.
:0Whc: $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache.lock
| $FORMAIL -D 8192 $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache
# Take out the Trash.
:0 a:
/dev/null
That's all there is to it. The formail program is used to grab
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Morel Bérenger wrote:
Cities that switched from Microsoft to Linux, for their departments,
switched back to Windows.
Not all. IIRC I've heard of Zurich, recently, said anew that it is
interesting to switch to linux because very, very cheaper.
And in France,
On 3/1/13 9:41 AM, Bob Proulx wrote:
Munich in 2003 and Freiburg in 2007.
Comment: OpenOffice's Tale of Two Cities
http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Comment-OpenOffice-s-Tale-of-Two-Cities-1760502.html
Munich's program was successful and expanded. Freiburg's failed
and they reverted
Le Mer 27 février 2013 1:05, Shane Johnson a écrit :
There is also another perspective here, Google and Mozilla are providing
a option for those that don't want to bother with loading, installing, and
maintaining an OS. Chromebooks and the like might make all OS's for the
enthusiast.
Shane
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand
this.
I find Debian GNU/Linux significantly easier to install than Windows. And the
average man in the street does not install his own OS, whatever that OS may
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:50:12 Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt
Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for
technoweenies. That hasn't changed in
On 02/27/2013 12:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
... And the average man in the street does not install his own OS,
whatever that OS may be.
That is the heart of the matter. Until the OEM stranglehold is broken,
desktop adoption will remain low. Fortunately we are seeing a turn of
events in two
Lars Noodén wrote:
On 02/27/2013 12:32 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
... And the average man in the street does not install his own OS,
whatever that OS may be.
That is the heart of the matter. Until the OEM stranglehold is broken,
desktop adoption will remain low. Fortunately we are seeing a turn
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:17 -0500
frank ernest do...@mail.com wrote:
I mean a linux system is a linux system they all use the same kernel,
the same shells, etc.
If this is the depth of your Linux understanding, please don't attempt
to advocate. You'll likely do harm.
Cybe R. Wizard
--
Nice
see inline.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Filipak
markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/26 3:53 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
-snip-
Unfortunately, this is about as interesting to the average person as the
engine manufacturer in their motor vehicle
-snip-
Wrong! Wrong!
* /From/: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
mailto:lisi.reisz%40gmail.com
* /Date/: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:34:04 +
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:34:04 +, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
mailto:lisi.reisz%40gmail.com wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own
On Wednesday 27 February 2013 16:18:20 Miles Fidelman wrote:
Seems to me that Mark is simply a troll (certainly not a debian-user)
Yes, I had come to that conclusion. He is inconsistent and deliberately
provocative.
I see nothing wrong with your attitude (he hardly makes his objection clear!)
On 2013/2/27 11:18 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:34:04 +, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
mailto:lisi.reisz%40gmail.com wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt
Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand
this.
I find Debian GNU/Linux significantly easier to install than Windows.
What a nonsensical statement. I've never
--- On Wed, 2/27/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm someone who started computing on
IBM-360s in the 1970s, who progressed to HP3000-SPL and
PDP11s and UNIX and Solaris and MS-DOS and MS-Windows. I
played with Xenix, Minix and even BE-OS. I've never
successfully
On 27 February 2013 20:24, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any
distribution of Linux
You fibber. You installed Squeeze on your amd64 machine according to
this thread (earlier this month):
On 02/27/2013 10:24 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:
What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any
distribution of Linux.
Then you haven't tried during the last 10 or so years. Debian is quite
easy, but the new graphical installers for Ubuntu might be more to your
taste.
/Lars
On Wednesday 27 February 2013 20:34:26 Go Linux wrote:
Well, I am a liberal arts educated 70-something (and female to boot)
+1 ;-)
without a technical computer background like yours to brag about. I am
just a lowly user with a curiosity and willingness to learn. I have also
been very
* On 2013 27 Feb 14:25 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote:
What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any
distribution of Linux.
Not even on an empty hard drive on commodity x86 hardware? I find this
admission so absurd that I can't get my head around it. Although, your
On 2013/2/27 3:34 PM, Go Linux wrote:
--- On Wed, 2/27/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm someone who started computing on
IBM-360s in the 1970s, who progressed to HP3000-SPL and
PDP11s and UNIX and Solaris and MS-DOS and MS-Windows. I
played with Xenix, Minix and even
On 2013/2/27 3:36 PM, Harvey Kelly wrote:
On 27 February 2013 20:24, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any
distribution of Linux
You fibber. You installed Squeeze on your amd64 machine according to
this thread
On 2013/2/27 3:45 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2013 27 Feb 14:25 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote:
What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any
distribution of Linux.
Not even on an empty hard drive on commodity x86 hardware? I find this
admission so absurd that I can't get
On 2013/2/27 3:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 27 February 2013 20:34:26 Go Linux wrote:
Well, I am a liberal arts educated 70-something (and female to boot)
+1 ;-)
without a technical computer background like yours to brag about. I am
just a lowly user with a curiosity and
--- On Wed, 2/27/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I wish to advocate linux
To: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 2:53 PM
On 2013/2/27 3:42 PM
* On 2013 27 Feb 14:53 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote:
The only result of my attempted installations has been cryptic error
messages and non-bootable disks.
That sounds more like a disk writing failure. I've gotten a few
coasters in my years that didn't do things quite right.
I have asked for
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:24:02 -0500
Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People
understand this.
I find Debian GNU/Linux
Thanks for replying, Nate.
On 2013/2/27 4:18 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2013 27 Feb 14:53 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote:
The only result of my attempted installations has been cryptic error
messages and non-bootable disks.
That sounds more like a disk writing failure. I've gotten a few
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 27 February 2013 20:34:26 Go Linux wrote:
Well, I am a liberal arts educated 70-something (and female to boot)
+1 ;-)
without a technical computer background like yours to brag about. I am
just a lowly user with a curiosity and willingness to learn. I have
* On 2013 27 Feb 16:58 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote:
I'm trying to make a bootable Debian live USB. My ISO-to-USB writer
apparently can only make bootable *Windows* images. I tried using dd
from here:
http://www.chrysocome.net/downloads/dd-0.6beta3.zip
but it won't run for me without an
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 11:18 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Hasn't even run it, apprently, or at least wrote in an earlier
message But I don't run Linux.
Now that's it in a nutshell, isn't it. Seems to me that Mark is
simply a troll (certainly not a debian-user)
I'm not a troll,
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People
understand
this.
I find Debian GNU/Linux significantly easier to install than Windows.
What a nonsensical
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 6:34 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People
understand
this.
I find Debian GNU/Linux
(certainly not a debian-user)
I'm not a troll, Miles.
-snip-
Which brings us back to the question of: if not trolling, what is your purpose
here?
Miles Fidelman
I'm trying to get help, Miles. I've been lurking. This didn't start out as my thread.
I wish to advocate linux is not my aim. I merely
On 2013/2/27 6:53 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 6:34 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 6:53 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 6:34 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 5:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Tuesday 26 February 2013 21:35:18 Mark Filipak wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a
Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
AND PLEASE STOP HITTING REPLY ALL - I DON'T NEED TWO COPIES OF EVERY ONE
OF YOUR POSTINGS - REPLY TO THE LIST, ONLY
If you're using Procmail to filter your E-Mail, I can send you a recipe
that deletes the duplicate when things like that happen...
On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 19:04 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
In the Debian live page, dd is offered as the way to copy the ISO file
to a USB stick. But the dd program offered only runs in Linux! What
good is that to someone who is running Windows at the time?
If I get a new computer, then nothing is
On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 19:04 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
But the dd program offered only runs in Linux!
http://www.cygwin.com/
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2000-08/msg00885.html
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David Guntner wrote:
Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
AND PLEASE STOP HITTING REPLY ALL - I DON'T NEED TWO COPIES OF EVERY ONE
OF YOUR POSTINGS - REPLY TO THE LIST, ONLY
If you're using Procmail to filter your E-Mail, I can send you a recipe
that deletes the duplicate when things
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 19:04 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
In the Debian live page, dd is offered as the way to copy the ISO file
to a USB stick. But the dd program offered only runs in Linux! What
good is that to someone who is running Windows at the time?
If I get a new
Message
From: Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net
To: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: I wish to advocate linux
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:53:28 -0500
Message
From: Mark Filipak
To: Miles Fidelman
Cc: debian-user
Subject: Re: I wish
Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
David Guntner wrote:
Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
AND PLEASE STOP HITTING REPLY ALL - I DON'T NEED TWO COPIES OF EVERY ONE
OF YOUR POSTINGS - REPLY TO THE LIST, ONLY
If you're using Procmail to filter your E-Mail, I can send you a
On 2013/2/27 6:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
I'm not a troll, Miles.
Yes, you are. Lets see.
I'm trying to get help, Miles.
What is the question?
I've been lurking. This didn't start out as
my thread. I wish to advocate linux is not my aim. I merely made a
comment
Hi Miles, hi everybody!
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:56:40 -0500
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Sure... thanks! Still, it's a good thing to train folks to
reply appropriately :-)
Holy ravioli! Training a troll? Gimme a break!
BTW, I'd prefer good old Delete key. I use it a LOT,
David Guntner wrote:
Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
David Guntner wrote:
If you're using Procmail to filter your E-Mail, I can send you a recipe
that deletes the duplicate when things like that happen... :-)
Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple. The bit of code below assumes that
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
So here we have it. You are trying to run a Linux distribution from USB
stick. Somehing very exotic, not for beginers. Now I dare you to prove
that it is easier (or even possible) to do this with Windows. If you are
complaing that doing in Linux something that is
Alois Mahdal wrote:
Hi Miles, hi everybody!
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:56:40 -0500
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Sure... thanks! Still, it's a good thing to train folks to
reply appropriately :-)
Holy ravioli! Training a troll? Gimme a break!
BTW, I'd prefer good old Delete
On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 21:32 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen a live CD for either Windows or
MacOS (well, the install DVD sort of is, but...). And I sure as heck
don't think you can get Windows or MacOS to run off a USB stick. On the
other hand, I CAN carry a full
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
excerpts
Cities that switched from Microsoft to Linux, for their departments,
switched back to Windows.
Then again, I've been seeing an awful lot of government users switching
to Redhat Linux.
Linux isn't a replacement for Windows and Apple. If somebody needs Apple
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 03:52:24PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/27 3:45 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2013 27 Feb 14:25 -0600, Mark Filipak wrote:
What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any
distribution of Linux.
Not even on an empty hard drive on
I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. If I were (theoretically
speaking,) to go up to Miss Jones and say Why not try linux? she would
respond Which distro should I try for there are many? What are the
differences? and I would respon that They have different package types
Am 26.02.2013 21:19, schrieb frank ernest:
I have decided to use the various distros and seek out differences but
this is an imperfect way of going about this so I am additionaly asking you.
The right answer: It just doesn't matter. But for the beginning use
this, what your
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 03:19:17PM -0500, frank ernest wrote:
I have decided to use the various distros and seek out differences
but this is an imperfect way of going about this so I am additionaly
asking you.
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/best-distro-2012.html
Hi
On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 20:19 +, frank ernest wrote:
I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. If I were
(theoretically speaking,) to go up to Miss Jones and say Why not try
linux? she would respond Which distro should I try for there are
many?
Sure? I'd thought
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:17 -0500
frank ernest do...@mail.com wrote:
I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem.
There is one big problem with advocating Linux. That there are
people here that advocate Linux by pushing users but that can
do much more harm than good. I understand
Alois Mahdal wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:17 -0500
frank ernest do...@mail.com wrote:
I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem.
There is one big problem with advocating Linux. That there are
people here that advocate Linux by pushing users but that can
do much more harm than
On 2013/2/26 3:53 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
-snip-
Unfortunately, this is about as interesting to the average person as the
engine manufacturer in their motor vehicle
-snip-
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! I'm interested in Linux. It's not Microsoft or Google.
It's open source. But I don't run Linux.
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to
adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for
technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no
headway on the desktop (or the laptop). Why is that?
Toy OS for
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux
kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't
changed in 10 years and Linux has made no headway on the desktop (or
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to
adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for
technoweenies. That hasn't changed in 10 years and Linux has made no
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:50:12 -0500
Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to
adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to adapt Linux
kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for technoweenies. That hasn't
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500
Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department
to adapt
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 4:42 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
For everyone who doesn't have their own development department to
adapt Linux kernels to their widget, Linux has been a toy OS for
Hi
No need to CC me, I'm on the list -- otherwise I wouldn't have seen your
email in the first place
On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 21:35 +, Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 3:53 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
-snip-
Unfortunately, this is about as interesting to the average person as the
On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500
Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
-snip-
Your attitude, Miles, is typical and is a large part of the
problem.
Ummm... what exactly is the
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:57:22 -0500
Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:29:06 -0500
Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2013/2/26 5:08 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Mark Filipak wrote:
-snip-
Your
Mark Filipak wrote:
On 2013/2/26 5:39 PM, Joe wrote:
Linux is where it is without mainstream or mass interest. Enough people
want it, and use it, to maintain its viability. It *is* a success.
No, it isn't.
Says you.
There's a pretty big user base, as well as a whole slew of vendors,
who'd
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:50:18PM +, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
An OS that is difficult to install is not a friendly OS. People understand
this.
True. And most people understand it so well that they will not even
attempt to install an OS - they get the computers with the OS
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 03:19:17PM -0500, frank ernest wrote:
I wish to advocate linux and I have one small problem. If I were
(theoretically speaking,) to go up to Miss Jones and say Why not try linux?
she would respond Which distro should I try for there are many? What are
the differences
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:21:41 +
Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
Large-scale use by people with no idea of even rudimentary
security is what makes malware viable, and good hardware
support will greatly increase the user base. We do worry
about Ubuntu.
Brilliant point, indeed..
However...
Completely incorrect vector for success, IMHO. Give them a preinstalled
system to use that uses nearly the same UI that they're used to. Don't
advocate it all (most people today don't like being sold to) and just
answer questions as they arise and support them as needed without
pressure.
- Nate
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