Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-25 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Sat, 24 May 2014 15:20:01 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: There are uncountable illegal copies of Madonna's noise pollution, she still owns too much money, while other people die of hunger. That's not Madonna's fault Ralf, that's just bad government. There's a lot of

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 17:33 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Please continue on d-community-offtopic. True, but I have to clarify something, see below. On 5/23/14, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2014 22:31:18 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many times in my live, without the need of idiotic copy protections. If the people who like your work don't like to pay you, consider for what people you're making your

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 14:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many times in my live, without the need of idiotic copy protections. If the people who like your work don't like to

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 05/24/2014 08:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 14:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 13:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Being against DRM isn't clownery :(. I made a living from artwork many snip PS: A pirate copy, shared cracked software could be good

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 08:55 -0400, Jeff Bauer wrote: lulz intellectual piss Try a different translator, Ralf. I guess the context is good enough to understand, that I tried to say intellectual work that is not more helpful than a bottle of piss would be, when you want to barter this

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 08:55 -0400, Jeff Bauer wrote: intellectual piss Ok, it's not my native language and possibly it could be misinterpreted in a way, as advertisings give things human features, e.g. the engine oil that is able to think. However, even piss might be able to think more

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread David Guntner
Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote: On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 17:33 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Please continue on d-community-offtopic. True, but I have to clarify something, see below. Then how about clarifying it on off-topic as requested, rather than stirring it up over here? Or is

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/24/14, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/23/2014 03:33 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Please continue on d-community-offtopic. ...and, it's more fun there. :) Ric Shhh! Don't let too many know :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-23 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Please continue on d-community-offtopic. Thanks Zenaan On 5/23/14, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Sun, 18 May 2014 22:31:18 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ... Copyright violations are rampant on the web. Thank you for refraining from calling that

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 05/23/2014 03:33 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Please continue on d-community-offtopic. ...and, it's more fun there. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 18 May 2014 22:31:18 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ... Copyright violations are rampant on the web. Thank you for refraining from calling that piracy. OK, since you insist, I'll call it what it is - piracy. I didn't think you were _such_ a contrarian.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 19 May 2014 04:15:06 Richard Hector wrote: BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Copyright law is not internationally agreed world-wide. It does not hold identically and equally in all countries. So it is not an absolute. Lisi --

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 19 May 2014 03:50:38 Lee Winter wrote: Note that the _statutory_ penalty for a purposeful violation of copyright law is USD$150,000.00 plus fees and legal costs.  Per violation. ***In the ***United States***. This is an international list. Are you really going to admit in this

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 19 May 2014 03:50:38 Lee Winter wrote: Note that the _statutory_ penalty for a purposeful violation of copyright law is USD$150,000.00 plus fees and legal costs. Per violation. ***In the ***United States***. This is an

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 20:07, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 19 May 2014 04:15:06 Richard Hector wrote: BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Copyright law is not internationally agreed world-wide. It does not hold identically and equally in all

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 4:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 19 May 2014 03:50:38 Lee Winter wrote: Note that the _statutory_ penalty for a purposeful violation of copyright law is USD$150,000.00 plus fees and legal costs. Per violation. ***In the ***United States***. This is an international list.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 11:15 PM, Richard Hector wrote: On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes quite that far ... Maybe not if you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. But I can get a lot. More than

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 10:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: I don't care. But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. Jerry. You

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: [...] he's a bit of a time-bomb and carries an intense anger or something about him, [...] Oh, he's not always a time-bomb. Don't know what's got his back up today. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 11:15 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ... endless pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo The law. Well that ought only be relevant to you if you had something intellectual to actually

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 18/05/14 08:42 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: [...] So Gary, how do we handle this problem of lack of educated thinkers? Cause that's the real problem as I see it. Regards Zenaan That problem is not solvable, I'm

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 7:40 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 10:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: I don't care. But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 7:42 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 11:15 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ... endless pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo The law. Well that ought only be relevant to you

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 11:58 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 15:28, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Oh Richard, bless you. Now you've taken away my excuse to pretend I didn't really know what Jerry was saying and continue to mock his lack of

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 11:15 PM, Richard Hector wrote: On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes quite that far ... Maybe not if you're Bill

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 23:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote: BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Who said anything about preventing linking? I never did. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00931.html From: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:09 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 11:15 PM, Richard Hector wrote: On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a link to that image. An important difference. I confess I don't see that difference. Are you saying that the link must be visible and not clickable? Again, I'd still like to see a reference

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/05/14 00:23, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a link to that image. An important difference. I confess I don't see that difference. Are you saying that the link must be visible and not

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:13 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 19/05/14 23:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote: BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Who said anything about preventing linking? I never did. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00931.html

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/18/2014 10:31 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Actually, you have NO RIGHTS. You can do only what the content creators say you can do.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:23 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a link to that image. An important difference. I confess I don't see that difference. Are you saying that the link must be visible and not

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/05/14 00:32, The Wanderer wrote: What is your basis for claiming this? As far as I can see, there is no basis in the law for the claim that copyright grants any control whatsoever over the end user's *use* of the copyrighted thing.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:32 AM, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/18/2014 10:31 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Actually, you have NO RIGHTS. You can do only what

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/05/14 00:37, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Linking to an image on my site makes it look like the image is a part of your site. If I own the copyright on that image, that is a violation of the copyright. That appears to be still a subject of debate. My view: If I haven't copied it, how can I be

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:33 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:23, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a link to that image. An important difference. I confess I don't see that difference. Are you saying

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 8:46 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:37, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Linking to an image on my site makes it look like the image is a part of your site. If I own the copyright on that image, that is a violation of the copyright. That appears to be still a subject of debate. My

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 8:33 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:23, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a link to that image. An important difference. I

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 20/05/14 00:49, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/19/2014 8:33 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:23, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a link to that image. An important difference. I confess I don't

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/19/2014 08:42 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/19/2014 8:32 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 05/18/2014 10:31 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Yes, I understand the difference. The license I grant you to use my copyrighted material says what you MAY

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 9:00 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/19/2014 8:33 AM, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:23, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/05/14 00:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: You cannot link to an image on my site. But you can provide a

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread David Guntner
People, this off-topic thread has dragged on WAY too long. There's a Debian off-topic mailing list, which exists specifically for that purpose - to let Debian users discuss things that aren't directly related to Debian. PLEASE, for the love of $DEITY and to have some compassion for the people

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:13:35AM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ..snip.. Once again you can't discuss the facts to you make personal attacks. I see no ad hom attack. As a matter of fact, the only one(s) I've seen have been made by you, calling someone a socialist,

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 16 May 2014 19:13:11 Brian wrote: The iplayer offerings can be viewed on all platforms. It uses Flash. Now, yes. But not initially. And the BBC wasn't put off by the fact that only one browser could read their content. It was put off by the large volume of loud complaints from

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Debian is based on freedom. Yes. Freedom to choose. Free will - have you heard of the concept? Or is that redundant in the new world where someone will tell me what to think and ensure laws and protests against bad weather and sharp corners on furniture? Yes, pretty well redundant. Of

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/16/14, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: To not remove digital restrictions support undermines a major strength of Debian. If people want DRM, they can always download Firefox but they should

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/15/14, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not use it? Debian is based on freedom.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all,

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 8:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 10:00 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14,

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 8:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: I don't care. But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. Jerry. You speak loudly. Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/18/2014 8:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 10:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: I don't care. But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. Jerry. You speak loudly. Zenaan And truthfully. Ask your attorney. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Lee Winter
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Those who (...whatever...) create content get to decide HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE or otherwise SELL that content. No more. No less. Wrong. Once it's on my computer, on in my brain, it's mine. I can do with it as I

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes quite that far ... BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Overall, though, this argument seems fairly

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/05/14 08:42 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/15/14, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: ... endless pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Those who (...whatever...) create content get to decide HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE or otherwise SELL that content. No more. No less. Wrong. Once it's on my computer,

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 15:15, Gary Dale wrote: So Gary, how do we handle this problem of lack of educated thinkers? Cause that's the real problem as I see it. Regards Zenaan That problem is not solvable, I'm afraid. That's why people who do think about issues have a duty to speak up about them.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes quite that far ... :) I'm glad I drew him out that far, personally. BTW I'd also like to

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 15:28, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Oh Richard, bless you. Now you've taken away my excuse to pretend I didn't really know what Jerry was saying and continue to mock his lack of precision :) I'm one of those you mentioned that has trouble resisting reading every email. Deliberate

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 15:28, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Oh Richard, bless you. Now you've taken away my excuse to pretend I didn't really know what Jerry was saying and continue to mock his lack of precision :) I'm one of those you mentioned that has

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
Sent to list, where it ought to have gone in the first place. Sorry, Gary. On Thursday 15 May 2014 20:59:22 Gary Dale wrote: If only one browser supports DRM, I'll think twice before doing it. And having though twice you'll go ahead and use it. BBC iPlayer did this for some while. But they

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-16 Thread Gary Dale
On 16/05/14 05:01 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Sent to list, where it ought to have gone in the first place. Sorry, Gary. On Thursday 15 May 2014 20:59:22 Gary Dale wrote: If only one browser supports DRM, I'll think twice before doing it. And having though twice you'll go ahead and use it. BBC

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-16 Thread Brian
On Fri 16 May 2014 at 10:49:50 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/05/14 05:01 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: BBC iPlayer did this for some while. But they had a problem. They were refusing people access to content for which they had paid. Not 100% familiar with the BBC situation, but I recall reading

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not use it? Debian is based on freedom. Iceweasel exists because Firefox contained proprietary parts.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Dale
they've been letting everyone know for the last year. Hardly a secret. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't make the web proprietary, lack of DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel makes them partial web browsers. Cut off nose to spite face much? Tim

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Dale
On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not use it? Debian is based on freedom. Iceweasel exists

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:16:07PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree again. The presence of DRM material is an affront to the open nature of the web. Mozilla's decision to cave in to the DRM crowd doesn't need to be echoed by Debian. DRM isn't a user's choice. It's the choice of the site

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not use it? Debian is

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
in Firefox. So did Mozilla - in fact they've been letting everyone know for the last year. Hardly a secret. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't make the web proprietary, lack of DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel makes them partial web browsers

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Dale
and Adobe have signed a deal to support DRM in Firefox. So did Mozilla - in fact they've been letting everyone know for the last year. Hardly a secret. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't make the web proprietary, lack of DRM support in Firefox

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Dale
On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
just let everyone know that Mozilla and Adobe have signed a deal to support DRM in Firefox. So did Mozilla - in fact they've been letting everyone know for the last year. Hardly a secret. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't make the web

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread David L. Craig
On 14May15:1830+0200, Francesco Ariis wrote: I guess this is going to be a debated topic. Having seen this [1], I do not think there is any way to implement meaningful (for the companies) CDMs without having them in non-free. [1]

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Dale
On 15/05/14 02:31 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 05:59, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 02:31 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I

Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-14 Thread Gary Dale
The FSF has just let everyone know that Mozilla and Adobe have signed a deal to support DRM in Firefox. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-14 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 15/05/14 13:09, Gary Dale wrote: The FSF has just let everyone know that Mozilla and Adobe have signed a deal to support DRM in Firefox. So did Mozilla - in fact they've been letting everyone know for the last year. Hardly a secret. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-14 Thread Gary Dale
that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't make the web proprietary, lack of DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel makes them partial web browsers. Cut off nose to spite face much? Tim Berners-Lee and many others support *implementing* DRM. They don't support DRM

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-14 Thread Scott Ferguson
year. Hardly a secret. I trust that it will be removed in Iceweasel. DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't make the web proprietary, lack of DRM support in Firefox/Iceweasel makes them partial web browsers. Cut off nose to spite face much? Tim Berners-Lee and many others support