On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 02:38:40PM +, Curt wrote:
On 2013-10-14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Now that you say it, it's obvious.
I was simply thinking that HTML was the source of the problem, because
I only noticed such problems with HTML
Am 11.10.2013 um 21:19 schrieb Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You only ever consider
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 09:59 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
Just for interest: Why does it damage the drives?
GVFS does wake up sleeping drives without reason, this does cause a high
amount of spin ups and spin downs. Most drives die regarding to the spin
ups, also without GVFS. Really, if a
Le 13.10.2013 23:23, Bob Proulx a écrit :
Mark Allums wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't nag about endless lines,
...
It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument
about
not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues
for the
list, when you're
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 15:21 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Or simply do not use HTML.
Endless line, for Evolution available by selecting Preformatted:
This has nothing to do with HTML, I can format my emails using plain text too,
HTML is completely unneeded to do this.
Automatic
Le 14.10.2013 15:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 15:21 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Or simply do not use HTML.
Endless line, for Evolution available by selecting Preformatted:
This has nothing to do with HTML, I can format my emails using plain
text too, HTML
On 2013-10-14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Now that you say it, it's obvious.
I was simply thinking that HTML was the source of the problem, because
I only noticed such problems with HTML mails. Was a stupid reasoning.
I can see how one might think
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 04:48:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
This has nothing to do with Windows. You need to set your MUA to use word
wrap. Stop bitching about Windows and fix your MUA.
Umm no. The above is what *YOU* sent!
Official third party repository :D.
Your MUA is broken,
Mark Allums wrote:
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't nag about endless lines,
...
It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about
not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the
list, when you're using Windows,
...
IOW you might not
On Sun, 2013-10-13 at 15:23 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
If you want your text to be word wrapped by the reader then the sender
is obliged to set format=flowed. Outlook has long been wrongly
sending long lined messages without using that setting. But it is
wrong.
Exactly! It would be idiotic if
Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the
different program names.
I never did, and never had to. It works fine.
Just because you're using software that doesn't use this software as a
dependency.
I don't know what you are talking about.
Sure, if
https://github.com/mate-desktop/archlinux-packages
From the linked page: mate-file-archiver: Removed any packages from the
'depends' that are pulled in via gtk2. 24 days ago
Looks to me like they fixed the conflict in Arch. You have no leg to stand on
with this one. Also, that's Arch.
https://github.com/mate-desktop/debian-packages
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https://github.com/mate-desktop/debian-packages/tree/master/mate-file-
archiver
These are irrelevant. mate-file-archiver does not exist anymore, and engrampa
is optional.
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, right after installing
it, because it was too outdated, pulseaudio became a hard dependency.
IOW even GNOME, where upstream fulfills basic rules regarding to
dependencies (conflicts) does cause issues, even by Debian packages.
However, the subject is Installing Cinnamon 2.0 and not Mate
Mark, when you use your Outlook 15.0, please take care not to sent
duplicated mails. Perhaps you should use a MUA for Mate, instead of
using MS Windows.
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Mark, when you use your Outlook 15.0, please take care not to sent
duplicated mails. Perhaps you should use a MUA for Mate, instead of
using MS Windows.
Don't bitch about Outlook. I will continue to use it, never mind why. Windows
is not evil. The mistake was mine, Outlook is not to
.
IOW even GNOME, where upstream fulfills basic rules regarding to
dependencies (conflicts) does cause issues, even by Debian packages.
However, the subject is Installing Cinnamon 2.0 and not Mate.
The subject is also alternatives to Cinnamon (and Gnome 3). Perhaps someone
should change
Hi Mark,
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:13 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Mark, when you use your Outlook 15.0, please take care not to sent
duplicated mails. Perhaps you should use a MUA for Mate, instead of
using MS Windows.
Don't bitch about Outlook. I will continue to use it, never mind why.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit :
Did you notice the could've?
Ermm... no, sorry :) did not noticed :/
Pas de soucis! :)
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IOW you might not experience issues with your computer, with Mate and/or
Windows, but you at least cause issues when using Windows. Those issues
aren't very serious, but you can't speak about your experiences, that
everything is ok, while it's not ok.
I certainly can speak about it. I use
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:57 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
But don't disparage others who use it. That's just bigoted.
I never did that!
Does Debian recommend to use third party repositories?
Mate isn't ready yet to be used without issues, it someday might be
included to the official repositories.
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 07:04 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Regarding to the OPs request I guess that there's a reason that Debian
maintainers didn't upgrade to Cinnamon 2.0 yet. It's easy to build
packages that run on your or my machine, but a maintainer needs to
ensure that things don't break
Le 12.10.2013 14:04, Mark Allums a écrit :
I'm not nagging about you. My concern is to nag about recommending a
third party repository, that is known to cause issues. If the OP
does
like Cinnamon, then IMO the OP should use the official packages to
ensure that it's as stable as possible and
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:43 -0400, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE can be
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:52:17 -0500
Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome
isn't needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can
serve in place for zenity as
The point of mentioning MATE was in context with adding MATE to
Debian. Our point was, there are only minor problems with that
happening, and they should be solvable fairly easily within a short
period of time
(i.e., in the time between releases of Stable).
This problem is not MATE
On Saturday 12 October 2013 14:42:31 Mark Allums wrote:
I loved KDE 3.
Have you looked at Trinity? It is a fork of KDE3 as MATE is a fork of
Gnome2.
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
Lisi
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I don't nag about endless lines,
It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about
not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the
list, when you're using Windows,
IOW you might not experience issues with your computer, with Mate and/or
On Saturday 12 October 2013 14:42:31 Mark Allums wrote:
I loved KDE 3.
Have you looked at Trinity? It is a fork of KDE3 as MATE is a fork of
Gnome2.
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
Lisi
Thanks. I will check it out.
Mark
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On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 14:05 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
403 Forbidden'
Try
http://debian.netcologne.de/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
instead [1].
Regards,
Ralf
PS: [2]
Le 12.10.2013 15:42, Mark Allums a écrit :
I might could change the typos in docs to become different typos in
different places. I can't develop for MATE, it's not part of my
skill
set. I will encourage other people to get involved, that much, I can
do.
Package maintenance is not really a
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 14:05 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote:
http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
403 Forbidden'
Try
http://debian.netcologne.de/debian/pool/main/g/gobby-infinote/gobby-0.5_0.4.94-5.1_i386.deb
instead [1].
Regards,
Ralf
PS: [2]
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 09:08 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
I don't nag about endless lines,
It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about
not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the
list, when you're using Windows,
IOW you might not
Hi,
I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 in
Debian?
Early reply is appreciated.
With thanks,
Muntasim-Ul-Haque
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MUH Jeeshan:
I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0
in Debian?
Wait for it to be uploaded to the archive and have it trickle down to
the Debian flavour you are using.
If you are using stable with no backports, that might take a few months
or even more than a
于 2013-10-11 21:19, Jochen Spieker 写道:
MUH Jeeshan:
I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0
in Debian?
Wait for it to be uploaded to the archive and have it trickle down to
the Debian flavour you are using.
If you are using stable with no backports, that might
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:24:36PM +0800, 陶治江 wrote:
Why cinnamon?
Try MATE, I think it is better.
I have test cinnamon before, too much slower than MATE.
Cinnamon is in Debian officially, MATE is not. Yet, at least.
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On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:24:36PM +0800, 陶治江 wrote:
Why cinnamon?
Try MATE, I think it is better.
I have test cinnamon before, too much slower than MATE.
Cinnamon is in Debian officially, MATE is not. Yet, at least.
And it will most probably never be. Mate needs
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:50 +0600, MUH Jeeshan wrote:
I want to know how can I install latest Cinnamon build, Cinnamon 2.0 in
Debian?
By building the packages on your own. IOW you need to compile it on your
own and take care about the dependencies from upstream. For Arch the
update to 2.0.2 is
Still, when I was looking for something that feels like Gnome2, I was
dissatisfied with my short Cinnamon experience. Too slow and bloated,
doesn't resemble G2 much in fact.
I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective
viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE.
On 11.10.2013 16:36,
Half off-topic.
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote:
I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective
viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE.
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
software I know available for Linux, that does conflict with common
software.
I
Off-topic
On 11.10.2013 17:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
software I know available for
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it
installation?
External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This
will kill those green
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it
installation?
External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This
will kill those
On 11/10/13 12:05 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:05 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 10/11/2013 09:57 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software. This isn't good,
it's the most worse I can imagine and likely the reason that distros
aren't interested to add it to official repositories. MATE is the only
software I know available for Linux, that does conflict with common
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:22 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless. Why be upset over it
installation?
External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
to sleep after a while, will
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 12:22 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
I am running Mate on Jessie...and have had no problems. However
judging by appearances only, Cinnamon is slicker-looking ( I run
Cinnamon and Mate on Fedora 19).
Kernel version? Graphics and it's driver? Keep in mind that we all have
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome isn't
needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can serve in
place for zenity as well).
Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the
On 11/10/13 12:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 12:22 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
I am running Mate on Jessie...and have had no problems. However
judging by appearances only, Cinnamon is slicker-looking ( I run
Cinnamon and Mate on Fedora 19).
Kernel version? Graphics and
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 16:47 +0300, Alex Moonshine wrote:
I'm using MATE right now and it's good, but from the perspective
viewpoint, I'd stick with XFCE.
MATE from upstream does conflict with other software.
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: mate-file-archiver and
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 11:34 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
The dialogs from Gnome 3 (zenity) serves, so mate-dialogs-gnome isn't
needed if zenity is installed (and mate-dialogs-gnome can serve in
place for zenity as well).
Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding to the
Le 11.10.2013 19:42, Tom H a écrit :
AIUI, MATE is a redo of GNOME 2 using GTK2 and Cinnamon a redo of
GNOME 2 using GTK3. Will they merge at some point? Or have their
interpretation and evolution of the GNOME 2 UI diverged enough for
them to keep on co-existing?
AFAIK, they are fork of
Le 11.10.2013 19:43, Alex Moonshine a écrit :
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:50:01 +0200
Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
I'm speaking about upstream and here is one conflict:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver
resolving dependencies...
looking for
Mark Allums:
Upthread, another poster commented that it wouldn't ever be accepted
into Debian. This may be true, but not for the reasons given. The
MATE dev team are eliminating code duplication. They have gotten rid
of Bonobo. They are porting it to GTK 3. The dev tools for it are
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
No way!
What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You only ever consider things from your limited use-case but upstream
developers and
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-common-software meme!
Soneone said upthread that MATE uses GTK2. AFAIK it's being
transitioned to GTK3 so it'll then be
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
No way!
What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You only ever consider things from your
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
No way!
What's wrong with NAS to elicit such a rejection?
Money.
GVFS is absolutely optional software.
You
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
convinced by this MATE-conflicts-with-common-software meme!
Soneone said
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
You've also complained in this thread and previously about compliance
with green drives. I could've
Le 12.10.2013 00:46, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 11.10.2013 20:44, Tom H a écrit :
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
You've also complained in this thread and previously about
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:44:11 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Have you considered NAS?
No way!
What's wrong with NAS to
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 18:43 -0400, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:42:44 +0200, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
MATE can be installed alongside other DEs on Fedora so I'm not at all
convinced by this
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 19:19 -0400, Tom H wrote:
Do you really think that the intention of the GNOME developers when
they designed gvfs was to create software that damages drives?!
I never claimed this, but nowadays the software does kill drives, today
it's outdated. Some DEs don't use GVFS and
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