Re: [OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-10 Thread Bob Cox
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 20:49:25 -0800, Steve Lamb (g...@dmiyu.org) wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Which is why if you want privacy *and* address independence, you need to spend the extra effort to get a dynamic DNS address and run your own IMAPS server, and probably a web server, too, with

Re: i386 vs amd64 revisited (was Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?)

2009-01-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:23:32AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/06/09 23:15, Chris Bannister wrote: I'm now running full amd64 and notice there is no crafty package[1] I normally compile crafty from source anyway (to get the latest version) but am getting errors even doing that. On i386 on

Re: [OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 08:49:25PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Which is why if you want privacy *and* address independence, you need to spend the extra effort to get a dynamic DNS address and run your own IMAPS server, and probably a web server, too, with squirrelmail.

Re: [OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-10 Thread Steve Lamb
Bob Cox wrote: So long as you have a static IP which is from a block recognised as such (which amongst other things means it is not listed in dul.dnsbl) AND have valid a valid rDNS (PTR record) in place then you can send to these people ok. I've been doing it for years. That's the

Re: [OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 08:13:29PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Bob Cox wrote: So long as you have a static IP which is from a block recognised as such (which amongst other things means it is not listed in dul.dnsbl) AND have valid a valid rDNS (PTR record) in place then you can send to these

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 09 January 2009 07:35:48 Celejar wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:31:23 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: ... Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use the web interface. A decent free email provider, POP / IMAP, more than seven GB of

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Fri January 9 2009, Kelly Clowers wrote: Personally,  I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use the web interface. I use it like a better S P A M filter, and for convenience. I use gmail with kmail when I am home, but I also use it on the road. And I use it for those web places

Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Koh Choon Lin
Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use the web interface. Gmail offers free imap/pop service and thats enough for me, i don't use the web login. -- Koh Choon Lin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/09/09 01:35, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:31:23 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: ... Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use the web interface. A decent free email provider, POP / IMAP, more than seven GB of storage, and one can be

[OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:23:55 -0600 Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 01/09/09 01:35, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:31:23 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: ... Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use the web interface.

Re: [OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/09/09 13:50, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:23:55 -0600 Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 01/09/09 01:35, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:31:23 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: ... Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use

Re: [OT] Pros and Cons of Gmail [WAS] Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-09 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: Which is why if you want privacy *and* address independence, you need to spend the extra effort to get a dynamic DNS address and run your own IMAPS server, and probably a web server, too, with squirrelmail. DynDNS has problems since you will get blocked on outbound mail.

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-08 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 15:42, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:03:19 -0600 Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: ... Or ditch Gmail for something sane. Or use the service, but without the web interface. Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-08 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:31:23 -0800 Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: ... Personally, I don't see a reason to use gmail if you don't use the web interface. A decent free email provider, POP / IMAP, more than seven GB of storage, and one can be pretty sure that they'll be there

i386 vs amd64 revisited (was Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?)

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:55:42PM +, thveillon.debian wrote: Never had problem with w64codecs (debian-multimedia), but yes I forgot about acroread plug-in which still requires nspluginwrapper (should be working OK though, not too intensive), but i don't use it and never came across a pdf

Re: i386 vs amd64 revisited (was Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?)

2009-01-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/06/09 23:15, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:55:42PM +, thveillon.debian wrote: Never had problem with w64codecs (debian-multimedia), but yes I forgot about acroread plug-in which still requires nspluginwrapper (should be working OK though, not too intensive), but i

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread L . V . Gandhi
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: Please reply to the list, not personally to me. Sorry. I use GMail. It doesn't use reply to it seems. I searched google to use that reply-to in lists mail. But I am not successful. L.V.Gandhi escreveu:

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 2009 January 05 11:01:05 Paul Cartwright wrote: On Mon January 5 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If you have some extra diskspace, you can even do the install in a chroot (debootstrap FTW!) and only reboot once it is complete, minimizing downtime. so, in theory, if I had a

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 06:47, L. V. Gandhi lvgan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: Please reply to the list, not personally to me. Sorry. I use GMail. It doesn't use reply to it seems. I searched google to use that

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 2009 January 05 10:16:22 Jochen Schulz wrote: Paul Cartwright: # uname -a Linux paulandcilla 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux so what would I need to do to run amd64 ?? Re-install. It is, in theory, possible to start from a x86 system, build

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/05/09 11:41, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 06:47, L. V. Gandhi lvgan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: Please reply to the list, not personally to me. Sorry. I use GMail. It doesn't use reply to it

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/05/09 10:07, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Mon January 5 2009, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: As mentioned in the thread, you certainly can. As if you should, it depends. I'd use the 64-bit system. that is about what I have on my system.. # uname -a Linux paulandcilla 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 2009 January 05 12:03:19 Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/05/09 11:41, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 06:47, L. V. Gandhi lvgan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: Please reply to the list, not

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:17:01 +0530 L.V.Gandhi lvgan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: Please reply to the list, not personally to me. Sorry. I use GMail. It doesn't use reply to it seems. I searched google to use

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Mon January 5 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: so what would I need to do to run amd64 ?? Re-install. It is, in theory, possible to start from a x86 system, build an amd64 kernel, reboot and then walk your userland up to amd64 gradually.  However, I've never seen/heard of it done

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Please reply to the list, not personally to me. L.V.Gandhi escreveu: My processor is Intel E4500, 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo. I have 2GB ram. Should I use amd64 kernel? As mentioned in the thread, you certainly can. As if you should, it depends. I'd use the 64-bit system. -- Eduardo M Kalinowski

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Jochen Schulz
Paul Cartwright: # uname -a Linux paulandcilla 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux so what would I need to do to run amd64 ?? Re-install. J. -- It is not in my power to change anything. [Agree] [Disagree]

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Ron Johnson wrote: acroread still has some features that the FLOSS alternatives don't, and w32codecs is still most simply available in 32 bit mode. debian-multimedia has a package of acroread. I believe it's a 32-bit version, but the package pulls all required 32-bit libs, and it works

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Aneurin Price
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 01/05/09 11:41, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 06:47, L. V. Gandhi lvgan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: Please reply to the

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Aneurin Price wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: Or ditch Gmail for something sane I'm puzzled as to why you consider Gmail's behaviour to be erroneous. Using 'reply' (as opposed to 'followup'/'reply to all') should correctly address a mail

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
PPaul Cartwright wrote: On Mon January 5 2009, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: As mentioned in the thread, you certainly can. As if you should, it depends. I'd use the 64-bit system. that is about what I have on my system.. # uname -a Linux paulandcilla 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Monday 2009 January 05 11:01:05 Paul Cartwright wrote: On Mon January 5 2009, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If you have some extra diskspace, you can even do the install in a chroot (debootstrap FTW!) and only reboot once it is complete, minimizing downtime.

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Mon January 5 2009, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: As mentioned in the thread, you certainly can. As if you should, it depends. I'd use the 64-bit system. that is about what I have on my system.. # uname -a Linux paulandcilla 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux so

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-01-05 21:02 +0100, Aneurin Price wrote: I'm puzzled as to why you consider Gmail's behaviour to be erroneous. Using 'reply' (as opposed to 'followup'/'reply to all') should correctly address a mail to the reply-to address (which was not set in the mail which prompted this

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 2009 January 05 14:28:35 Mark Allums wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Usually, there's no data loss, but some settings might go away in OS X each time you boot into OS Y (e.g. the name of the configuration option changed and the newer version in OS Y keeps renaming it to the

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Monday 2009 January 05 14:28:35 Mark Allums wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Usually, there's no data loss, but some settings might go away in OS X each time you boot into OS Y (e.g. the name of the configuration option changed and the newer version in OS Y

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Mark Allums wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Monday 2009 January 05 14:28:35 Mark Allums wrote: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: Usually, there's no data loss, but some settings might go away in OS X each time you boot into OS Y (e.g. the name of the configuration option changed and the

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-05 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:03:19 -0600 Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: ... Or ditch Gmail for something sane. Or use the service, but without the web interface. Ron Johnson, Jr. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Mark Allums
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? Just for the record, the i386 works fine on that. But

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/04/09 15:36, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] There is no good reason to install i386 on a Core 2. 64-bit is working great, except for Flash. i386 has too many limits. The correct distribution is AMD64. EMT64 (Intel) is virtually identical to AMD64, and both are covered by the AMD64

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread thveillon.debian
Mark Allums a écrit : Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? Just for the record, the

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/04/09 15:36, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] There is no good reason to install i386 on a Core 2. 64-bit is working great, except for Flash. i386 has too many limits. The correct distribution is AMD64. EMT64 (Intel) is virtually identical to AMD64, and both are

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/04/09 16:07, thveillon.debian wrote: [snip] Hi, Just to push in the same direction, I have 2 C2duo, both running amd64 Debian, one with a custom kernel compiled with the c2duo - newer-xeon arch instead of the generic x86-64 which is the defaut. (can't tell the difference though...)

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/04/09 16:33, Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/04/09 15:36, Mark Allums wrote: [snip] There is no good reason to install i386 on a Core 2. 64-bit is working great, except for Flash. i386 has too many limits. The correct distribution is AMD64. EMT64 (Intel) is virtually

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:36:27 -0600 Mark Allums m...@allums.com wrote: Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread thveillon.debian
Ron Johnson a écrit : On 01/04/09 16:07, thveillon.debian wrote: [snip] Hi, Just to push in the same direction, I have 2 C2duo, both running amd64 Debian, one with a custom kernel compiled with the c2duo - newer-xeon arch instead of the generic x86-64 which is the defaut. (can't tell the

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/04/09 17:53, Micha Feigin wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:36:27 -0600 [snip] ia64 is *NOT* what you want. ia64 is itanium systems (corporate servers mostly) And even then, Xeons/Opterons are now powerful enough that systems that we once hosted on Linux/ia64 now are on Linux/amd64.

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/04/09 17:55, thveillon.debian wrote: [snip] Never had problem with w64codecs (debian-multimedia), but yes I forgot Well, I learn something new every year... -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2009-01-03 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? Just for the record, the i386 works fine on that. But as others said, you can

Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Mirto Silvio Busico
Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? Thanks Mirto P.S. from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ I downloaded the amd64 kde CD But,

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:45:20PM +0100, Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? amd64 (a.k.a x86_64). Intel came later

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Mirto Silvio Busico
Tzafrir Cohen ha scritto: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:45:20PM +0100, Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor?

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Mario
Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? Thanks Mirto P.S. from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ I

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:56:43AM -0700, Mario wrote: Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? You need the ia64. ia64 is

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Mario wrote: Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this processor? You need the ia64. This is wrong. Amd64 is right choice. -- Eugene

Re: Lenny: which arch for a Intel Core 2 Duo?

2008-12-20 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:56:43 -0700 Mario morrellmarioc...@qwest.net wrote: Mirto Silvio Busico wrote: Hi all, my new notebook is an Acer AS5930G which uses an Intel Core 2 Duo cpu. I should like to install the 64 bit version of Lenny. Which is the correct arch for this