Cletus H Baird III wrote:
Go to your local bookstore and buy a copy of Linux Format Magazine
with either Fedora Core2 or Mandrake 10. Mandrake is easiest to
install on all types of networks, the distro will almost do it for
you! You just choose what you want to set up; it will probe and
configu
Go to your local bookstore and buy a copy of Linux
Format Magazine with either Fedora Core2 or Mandrake 10. Mandrake is easiest to
install on all types of networks, the distro will almost do it for you! You just
choose what you want to set up; it will probe and configure. Most of the distros
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On Sunday 14 December 2003 22:05, jerry garcia wrote:
> On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:26 pm, David Baron wrote:
> > I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
> > (since there is no appropriate software yet).
>
> I also a
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> You're right, of course, and we've all been frustrated enough at some
> point to want to type something like that. I just don't think it's the
> right way to go about getting help.
Oh, agree it's not the right way to ask for help. I also seen it enough to
know it works
s. keeling wrote:
> Often, that's excellent advice! What's wrong with it?
You don't always know which FM to read. I find it really easy to know which
FM to look up when I know a topic very well. It's much harder to know which
FM to read when I'm not even sure what the problem is.
--
John L.
On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:26 pm, David Baron wrote:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
>
> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot,
> dsl_provider, pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot"
> gives me a bad tdb and quits. The only tdb referen
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 12:59:54AM -0500, H. S. wrote:
> Apparently, _Bijan Soleymani_, on 12/14/03 00:36,typed:
> > My favourite quote is from the emacs manual:
> >
> > "Help buffers describing variables or functions defined in Lisp
> >normally have hyperlinks to the Lisp definition, if you
Apparently, _John Hasler_, on 12/14/03 15:11,typed:
H. S. writes:
But we are fortunate the kind of attitude that some programmers and
hackers have is not so common outside their community. Imagine going to a
charity medical camp and explaining your problem and getting a retort in
return similar to
H. S. writes:
> But we are fortunate the kind of attitude that some programmers and
> hackers have is not so common outside their community. Imagine going to a
> charity medical camp and explaining your problem and getting a retort in
> return similar to "Go read a book on medicine first," or "To r
Apparently, _Roberto Sanchez_, on 12/14/03 10:48,typed:
H. S. wrote:
Good thing this is not a common approach, else everybody would be
*told* they *must* know image processing theory and compression
theory to view an mpeg movie on a computer!
->HS
I find that learning the theory behind someth
H. S. wrote:
Good thing this is not a common approach, else everybody would be *told*
they *must* know image processing theory and compression theory to view
an mpeg movie on a computer!
->HS
I find that learning the theory behind something (when I have the time)
makes it significantly easier
Apparently, _Bijan Soleymani_, on 12/14/03 00:36,typed:
"H. S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I remember reading in the one of the man pages(I think it was mplayer,
not sure but I could look it up, I think I still have that application
somewhere) a while ago that "there are many other options. If w
"H. S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I remember reading in the one of the man pages(I think it was mplayer,
> not sure but I could look it up, I think I still have that application
> somewhere) a while ago that "there are many other options. If want to
> know more about these, read the source." N
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 07:49:10PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:26:39PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> > I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
> > (since there is no appropriate software yet).
>
> I'd be surprised if this is actually the ca
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, John Hasler wrote:
> John L. Fjellstad writes:
> > Actually easiest way to get help.
>
> It's the worst way to get help from me. I usually killfile such threads.
>
> > Tell everybody how much printing sucks in Linux, and how easy it is in
> > Windows, and how you are goin
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 22:52 GMT, s. keeling penned:
> Incoming from John L. Fjellstad:
>>
>> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>>
>> > Can you explain to me why you would use a subject such as you did,
>>
>> Actually easiest way to get help.
>
> Actually, as has been known and said for _ages_, it's the
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 11:38 GMT, John L. Fjellstad penned:
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
>> Can you explain to me why you would use a subject such as you did,
>> rather than "Multiple problems on install: please help" or, better
>> yet, multipe emails, each specific to a certain problem?
>
> Actu
John L. Fjellstad writes:
> Actually easiest way to get help.
It's the worst way to get help from me. I usually killfile such threads.
> Tell everybody how much printing sucks in Linux, and how easy it is in
> Windows, and how you are going back to Windows etc etc, and you get
> hundreds of help
Incoming from John L. Fjellstad:
>
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
> > Can you explain to me why you would use a subject such as you did,
>
> Actually easiest way to get help.
Actually, as has been known and said for _ages_, it's the best way to
get THOSE WHO KNOW to ignore you. Do you want to ge
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Can you explain to me why you would use a subject such as you did,
> rather than "Multiple problems on install: please help" or, better yet,
> multipe emails, each specific to a certain problem?
Actually easiest way to get help. Ask how to set up CUPS in linux and you
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:58:25 -0700, s. keeling wrote:
>
> If you need to understand it to use it, you've got the source. What
> more could you need? That's not good enough? Don't use it. You
> think it would be better with good documentation? Great. Go write
> some. Oh, you want me to writ
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:06:01 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>
> When I donated this year I tried to make an estimate of how much I might
> have paid on proprietary software to do what I've been doing with free
> software over the last few years, and to contribute at least that much.
>
> To be hone
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:26:39PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
...
> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
...
> 2. Running Java stuff--Open office works. I installed netbeans (a Java
...
> 3. The Adobe Acrobat reader
Lance Simmons writes:
> Probably, but if I have a friend who is thinking of buying a machine with
> Lindows installed on it, I can tell him to go ahead, and I can teach him
> how to maintain it as a Debian machine.
Or you can tell him to go ahead and then install Libranet.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL P
* David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031212 02:18]:
>
>
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:21:20PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote:
>
> The people who know a program best are the ones who work
> on its internals. No one else can write documentation like the
> guy who built the thing in the first place. Failing that, you can
> have someone step in and write it, ye
Isaac To wrote:
"H" == H S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Right, Human Genome is not written by programmers. Genes are evolved, not
designed. In contrast, a good programmer write code that will make sense
when it is being read, because they are the ones who need to read them the
most, and when they
David Palmer. wrote:
Or the assumption by the more experienced, who know that that your
problem was far enough advanced that if you skipped the "basics" like
filesystem manipulation you'd better be ready to fire up "man chown"
yourself and back up and ask THAT question first? :-)
Sorry, Nat
On 11. December 2003 at 5:28PM -0600,
Lucas Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> > This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent
> > users with quite a lot of experience can come unstuck in
> > those areas with which they are not fam
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 10:43 GMT, Richard Kimber penned:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:24:39 -0700 "Monique Y. Herman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Linux is a kernel. I can almost guarantee that you've never, for
>> example, discussed an implementation bug with a microsoft or apple
>> kernel deve
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Wendell Cochran wrote:
> This thread concerns both (a) proper documentation of programs -- &
> also (b) translation into clear English for the notional Aunt Tilly.
>
> That suggests need for a list on finding the right words & putting
> them in the right order, but even Debi
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:59:15 -0700
From: Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[SNIP]
>I started to compose a long diatribe on the need for more action in
>documentation when I thought to look to see whether there is a Debian
>list on documentation. There is such a list. I am subscribing to it.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:55:32 +
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The proper name for the distribution we release is not "Debian Linux",
> but "Debian GNU/Linux". This is all over our web site so it's not as if
> people can easily be confused.
Indeed. But I wasn't intending to use the
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 10:43:28AM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
> You must be aware, surely, that there are two usages of 'Linux'. One is
> the one you have given, which is the original meaning. But there is also
> the general evolved man-or-woman-in-the-street usage that applies to the
> distrib
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:24:39 -0700
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux is a kernel. I can almost guarantee that you've never, for
> example, discussed an implementation bug with a microsoft or apple
> kernel developer.
>
> The gripe is about "linux" as though all of the thousa
That is exactly how I started! Knoppix--installation was painless and
reasonably complete and they include a good part of the OS and GNU stuff in
the Lindows "Warehouse".
> * David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]:
>
>>Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux
>>
<
That reminds me of the reaction of a coworker of Ashkenazic origin upon
first encountering `chmod' year ago: ``Khmad? WTF is a khmad? I've
got an uncle called Khmad!''
It can be enlightening at times to see things through new eyes...
<<
So vould you vant to make a Hebrew shell ;
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, s. keeling wrote:
> If you need to understand it to use it, you've got the source. What
> more could you need? That's not good enough? Don't use it. You
> think it would be better with good documentation? Great. Go write
> some. Oh, you want me to write some? Why? I
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, H. S. wrote:
> I remember reading in the one of the man pages(I think it was mplayer,
> not sure but I could look it up, I think I still have that application
> somewhere) a while ago that "there are many other options. If want to
> know more about these, read the source."
scripsit Alvin Oga:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Lance Simmons wrote:
>
> > * David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]:
> > >
> > > Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux
> > > to consumers.
> >
> > Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it ove
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, H. S. wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get
> > in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this
> > ability, but many do not.
>
> This is *so* true!! And the troubling pa
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Lance Simmons wrote:
> * David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]:
> >
> > Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux
> > to consumers.
>
> Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it over to
> Debian sid or testing? That
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Paul E Condon:
>
> > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must
> > get in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks
> > have this ability, but many do not. The commercial "For Dummies" boo
> "H" == H S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Isaac.> But very often the source code is very good part of the
Isaac.> documentation, especially when the source code is written by
Isaac.> competent programmers.
H> uh huh, where are we going? I for a moment, while reading your above
scripsit Alvin Oga:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
[snip]
> > I would like to have something I could hand to non-geek colleagues which
> > would give them the hand-holding they need to realize that they _can_
> > learn this, and that if they put in a little effort they will be ric
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:01:44 +
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with
> > > quite a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which
> > > they are not fa
Isaac To wrote:
"Terry" == Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Terry> Saying that the source code *is* the documentation is not unlike
Terry> saying the Human Genome is an Anatomy & Physiology textbook. :-P
But very often the source code is very good part of the documentation,
espe
> "Terry" == Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Terry> Saying that the source code *is* the documentation is not unlike
Terry> saying the Human Genome is an Anatomy & Physiology textbook. :-P
But very often the source code is very good part of the documentation,
especially whe
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:15:50AM -0500, Johann Koenig wrote:
> No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not.
!?
Lindows is basically Debian with some shiny toys. So is Lycoris
and Xandros.
- --
.''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECT
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:26:39PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
> pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gives me a bad
> tdb and quits. The only tdb ref
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:47:15 -0500
Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> > Incoming from Richard Kimber:
> >
> >>On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600
> >>"Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>That's why the people doing the documentation should be
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:36:32 -0700
Thanasis Kinias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> scripsit David Palmer.:
>
> > If you request help, terminologies like 'chown' and chmode' or
> > somesuch are thrown at you without any effort toward fuller
> > explanation, and it goes further than assumption through
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:21:01 -0700
Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> David Palmer. wrote:
>
> > If you request help, terminologies like 'chown' and chmode' or
> > somesuch are thrown at you without any effort toward fuller
> > explanation, and it goes further than assumption through l
On Thursday 11 December 2003 07:21 pm, Terry Hancock wrote:
> Saying that the source code *is* the documentation is not unlike
> saying the Human Genome is an Anatomy & Physiology textbook.
That particular programmer forgot to comment his code properly. That or it
was obfuscated on purpose. :-
On Thursday 11 December 2003 04:58 pm, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Richard Kimber:
> > Aren't you missing the point that you need to understand it before you can
> > document it, and that in many cases understanding does not come without
> > documentation.
>
> If you need to understand it to
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 00:33 GMT, Nunya penned:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:10:04PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
>> scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
>> > A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say,
>> > this debian-user list. I've done this myself.
>>
>> OTOH, there is a great p
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 00:10 GMT, Thanasis Kinias penned:
> scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
>
>> A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, this
>> debian-user list. I've done this myself. Perhaps no one on this
>> list has the expertise required. If you have a question about
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:10:04PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
> > A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, this
> > debian-user list. I've done this myself.
>
> OTOH, there is a great pool of knowledge here
Is it fair to ask a mutt or proc
Incoming from Roberto Sanchez:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Incoming from Richard Kimber:
> >>Obligation? What about a sense of pride in having done something well?
> >
> >He did do it well! It works! Oh, "well" for you means fully
> >documented so Aunt Tilley can use it? I disagree. If you disagree
scripsit Monique Y. Herman:
> A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, this
> debian-user list. I've done this myself. Perhaps no one on this list
> has the expertise required. If you have a question about mutt (that
> doesn't involve installation through apt), you're p
scripsit Roberto Sanchez:
> I'm sorry but you are way off base. A lawyer that does pro bono work,
> or a doctor that volunteers at a public clinic, is not absolved of
> maintaining proper documentation (case files or medical charts).
Just to offer a different perspective: One might conceive
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:15:24PM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Richard Kimber:
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600
> > "Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user
> > > who is not familiar with ever
on, but I have no right to demand it. Opensource
software is offered as-is. If you ask nicely, you will often get
support, and often that support is amazing. But you have no right to
that support -- it's a gift that you should appreciate.
> If you're a developer, your attitude per
s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Richard Kimber:
Obligation? What about a sense of pride in having done something well?
He did do it well! It works! Oh, "well" for you means fully
documented so Aunt Tilley can use it? I disagree. If you disagree
with me, you're free to change that. LDP.
Plea
Incoming from Roberto Sanchez:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Go join the LDP and fix this apparent deficiency yourself if you think
> >it's a problem.
>
> professionals. I would think that if you are just going to half-ass
> the job the community would be better off without your "efforts."
Be careful w
Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robert L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > [ missing attribution: Learn to quote! ]
> >
> > > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> > > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're
> > > looking fo
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 20:11 GMT, Richard Kimber penned:
>>
>> In many cases it will remain poor until people report what they found
>> confusing about it - it's sometimes hard to document something you
>> wrote in a way that somebody unfamiliar with it can understand.
>
> People do. Their confus
s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Richard Kimber:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600
"Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user
who is not familiar with every intricate detail, and has had to struggle
and learn the system.
Lance Simmons wrote:
* David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]:
Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux
to consumers.
Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it over to
Debian sid or testing? That would make it a lot more attractive.
Yes.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 22:12 GMT, David Palmer. penned:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:50:11 -0500 "H. S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Paul E Condon wrote:
>>
>> > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author
>> > must get in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his need
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:58:25 -0700
"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Programmers need no excuse for this. They know how it works. If
> > > you think it needs documentation, go ahead and write it.
> >
> > Aren't you missing the point that you need to understand it before you
> > can
ead and write it.
...
If you're a developer, your attitude perhaps goes some way to explain why
Linux is not for consumers.
perspective!
IMO it's good that they do at least something, criticizing them for
not doing enough doesn't make much sense - would you be better off if
the
consumers can cope with. And I'm not convinced that that really
> is the underlying philosophy of Linux, which seems to be implicit in what
> you say.
Why should I give a rat's ass if you use it? Presumably, I have my
own reasons why I wrote it. What's that got to do with any
scripsit David Palmer.:
> If you request help, terminologies like 'chown' and chmode' or
> somesuch are thrown at you without any effort toward fuller
> explanation, and it goes further than assumption through long
> familiarity, there is some sort of supercilious ego factor involved
> also.
Tha
David Palmer. wrote:
If you request help, terminologies like 'chown' and chmode' or somesuch
are thrown at you without any effort toward fuller explanation, and it
goes further than assumption through long familiarity, there is some
sort of supercilious ego factor involved also.
Or the assumptio
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:50:11 -0500
"H. S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author
> > must get in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs.
> > Some geeks have this ability, but many do not.
>
>
> This
in what
you say.
If you're a developer, your attitude perhaps goes some way to explain why
Linux is not for consumers.
- Richard.
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Greg Folkert wrote:
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 15:50, H. S. wrote:
Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get
in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this
ability, but many do not.
This is *so* true!! And the troubling part is they simpl
Incoming from Richard Kimber:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600
> "Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user
> > who is not familiar with every intricate detail, and has had to struggle
> > and learn the system. T
Richard Kimber wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600
But I feel strongly that to overcome the original point in the thread,
many app developers need to give more attention to the documentation, and
indeed the user interface, and a little less to adding that "nice new
exciting" (and undocumente
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 15:50, H. S. wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get
> > in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this
> > ability, but many do not.
>
>
> This is *so* true!! And the troub
Paul E Condon wrote:
Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get
in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this
ability, but many do not.
This is *so* true!! And the troubling part is they simply refuse to
understand this.
->HS
--
Paul E Condon wrote:
Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get
in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this
ability, but many do not. The commercial "For Dummies" book style is not
particularly good, IMHO. I prefer O'Reilly books.
P
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600
"Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user
> who is not familiar with every intricate detail, and has had to struggle
> and learn the system. That is the person who can usually explain
scripsit Richard Kimber:
> And there are some cases where it's hard to know what to say. What,
> that's constructive, does one say about the manpage for
> gnome-alsamixer (0.9.3-3)?
It's not undocumented(7)? ;)
--
Pax vobiscum; pax cum omnibus.
.
Thanasis Kinias
tkinias at asu.edu
Doctoral Stu
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:01:44 +
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with
> > quite a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which
> > they are not familiar, simply because the documentation is often so
> > p
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:17:33PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> Few such as we are would lay out good money for something he/she could get
> for free!
Debian does take donations:
http://www.debian.org/donations/
(though I seem to be having trouble reaching www.spi-inc.org at the
moment.)
When I
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On Thursday 11 December 2003 18:58, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 11:26 GMT, David Baron penned:
> > Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
>
> [snip]
>
> I'm always confused when someone composes a plea for help in which the
> s
* David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]:
>
> Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux
> to consumers.
Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it over to
Debian sid or testing? That would make it a lot more attractive.
--
Lance Simmons
s
scripsit Paul E Condon:
> Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must
> get in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks
> have this ability, but many do not. The commercial "For Dummies" book
> style is not particularly good, IMHO. I prefer O'Reil
OK, I apologize for the "troll".
Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux to
consumers. His installation and his program-warehouse could make it worth
the price. His original promise of Windows interactivity has been abandoned.
I am far above the "consumer" level but a
anything against the windows person, it's just that Linux is allot more in
> touch with the hardware side than most users would want to be.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: [EM
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 11:26 GMT, David Baron penned:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
>
[snip]
I'm always confused when someone composes a plea for help in which the
subject is some form of negative statement about the product. When I
read something like that, I tend to think, "That
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
> "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> > > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're
> > > looking for.
> >
Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Baron wrote:
>
> > I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music
> > production (since there is no appropriate software yet).
>
> Then fire up a text editor and start fixing things. Or if you're
> really desperate, you could pay someon
to be.
-Original Message-
From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is not for consumers!
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:17:28PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
>
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:17:28PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
> "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You're right. Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux,
> > especially Debian. It requires more than a room tempature IQ and
> > the will
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 06:26, David Baron wrote:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
For you maybe. It is just a matter of knowing where to look.
> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
> pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gi
David Baron wrote:
I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
(since there is no appropriate software yet).
Then fire up a text editor and start fixing things. Or if you're really
desperate, you could pay someone to.
Linux. It's a community, not a product.
Nate, [
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
"Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're
> > looking for.
>
> You're right. Too many consumers are too dumb for for L
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