>> If I'm not wrong, RFC compliance may even be required in some areas (via
>> contracts).
> That might happen, but it wouldn't be a great idea from a legal
> standpoint: RFCs are often ambiguous in surprising ways.
Most contracts are ambiguous in surprising ways anyway :-)
Stefan
zithro wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2023 01:15, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > zithro wrote:
> > > On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >
> > > RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ?
> >
> > Sort of.
> >
> > At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take
> > notes. Not quite
On 13 Apr 2023 01:15, Dan Ritter wrote:
zithro wrote:
On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ?
Sort of.
At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take
notes. Not quite certain of how accurately he had transcribed
things, he
zithro wrote:
> On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> RFCs are there for having a common ground, right ?
Sort of.
At various meetings, a grad student was "volunteered" to take
notes. Not quite certain of how accurately he had transcribed
things, he typed up "Request For Comments" at
On 12 Apr 2023 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:04:42PM +0200, zithro wrote:
So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider
(in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?
Why do you sound surprised? This is how everything works.
On 12 Apr 2023 19:20, John Hasler wrote:
zithro writes:
To not have to handle issues with security or availability of an own
mail server.
I use pobox.com's paid service. Email is their business. I run Postfix
locally using the Pobox server as a smarthost and use Fetchmail to
download my mail
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:04:42PM +0200, zithro wrote:
> So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider
> (in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?
Why do you sound surprised? This is how everything works. Everything.
[Note: I snipped everything for easier read, and
replied to the most recent email]
Thank you all for your constructive answers !
This was a really interesting read.
So it seems that, despite (incomplete?) standards, each provider
(in the whole mail chain, MUA, MTA, etc) "does what he wants" ?
On 12 Apr 2023 19:56, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:40:45PM +0200, zithro wrote:
[...]
But they don't work for you.
Well, in a sense, yes, and freely ^^
You don't want to be convinced
No, that's not how life works. How pretentious is that sentence ...
Nonetheless,
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:16:08PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:06 PM wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised
> > > when unexpected things
On Wed 12 Apr 2023 at 14:02:39 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:52 PM wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer
> > > wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > Some mail services apparently treat
to...@tuxteam.de writes:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12â¯PM The Wanderer
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
> > > look like duplicates of ones you already
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 2:06 PM wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised
> > when unexpected things happen.
>
> Unexpected things happen to me all the time -- the least of them are
On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:38:37 -0400
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
Hello Jeffrey,
>I don't think I would blame GMail for that. Maybe it's the sender's MUA?
It's well known that google discard what they see as 'duplicate'
messages. It is nothing to do with the sender's MUA.
Always remember google's
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 02:02:39PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
[...]
> If you wish to wander from the convention, then don't be surprised
> when unexpected things happen.
Unexpected things happen to me all the time -- the least of them are
related to Message-IDs. My Message-IDs are fine,
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:52 PM wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
> > > look like duplicates of ones
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:40:45PM +0200, zithro wrote:
[...]
> > But they don't work for you.
>
> Well, in a sense, yes, and freely ^^
You don't want to be convinced, I don't want to be convinced,
so let's be nice to the rest of humankind and shut up now.
[...]
> Ah ah, this answer ... "I
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > ...
> > Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
> > look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
> > feature;
zithro writes:
> To not have to handle issues with security or availability of an own
> mail server.
I use pobox.com's paid service. Email is their business. I run Postfix
locally using the Pobox server as a smarthost and use Fetchmail to
download my mail every five minutes. Best of both
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM The Wanderer wrote:
>
> ...
> Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
> look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
> feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
> with this
On 12 Apr 2023 18:12, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:00:25PM +0200, zithro wrote:
On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
Hello Andrew,
If
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 06:00:25PM +0200, zithro wrote:
> On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +
> > > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Andrew,
> > >
> > > > If you are
On 12 Apr 2023 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
Hello Andrew,
If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
a copy turn up in your mailing list
On 12 Apr 2023 13:54, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google.
Now why would you want to do that?
I have experience. Gmail
On 12 Apr 2023 04:12, The Wanderer wrote:
Some mail services apparently treat this "discard incoming messages that
look like duplicates of ones you already have a copy of" behavior as a
feature; Gmail is the best-known example. That has problems when (as
with this mailing list) the incoming copy
>> >If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
>> >a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
>>
>> Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google.
>
> Now why would you want to do that?
I have experience. Gmail eat one message if that is
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 08:23:23AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +
> "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> >If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
> >a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
>
> Unless your email
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:08:51 +
"Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote:
Hello Andrew,
>If you are subscribed to the mailing list and you post, you should see
>a copy turn up in your mailing list mails
Unless your email provider is google, or somebody covertly using google.
--
Regards _ "Valid
Tom Furie wrote:
> It occurs to me that I'm not even aware of what list management
> software these lists are managed with anymore.
| All original Debian mailing lists are run on a special server, using an
| automatic mail processing software called SmartList.
On 2023-04-11 at 16:22, zithro wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have two questions about the Debians ML usage.
>
> 1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies
> of your own submissions will be returned."
> What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here ?
> I
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:51:43PM +0200, zithro wrote:
> I already sent "help" to the ML but it did not provide any hints.
> Hence my question here ; )
Oh! Yes, I see the reply to that message is much less useful than it once
was... Previously it would supply a list of commands for subscription
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:22:59PM +0200, zithro wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have two questions about the Debians ML usage.
>
> 1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies of
> your own submissions will be returned."
> What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here
On 11 Apr 2023 22:39, Tom Furie wrote:
In the headers of every mail on debian lists are some "List-*" headers. In
there you can find an address and subject to get help on list commands etc.
(At least, I assume it still works. I haven't used it in a long time and
didn't bother to check before
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:22:59PM +0200, zithro wrote:
> I have two questions about the Debians ML usage.
>
> 1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies of
> your own submissions will be returned."
> What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here ?
> I
Hello all,
I have two questions about the Debians ML usage.
1. when subscribing, the confirmation message says "By default, copies
of your own submissions will be returned."
What is the meaning of "default" and "returned" here ?
I understand that I should get my own replies. But I never get
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