Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-20 Thread David Wright
On Fri 20 Oct 2023 at 11:51:35 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: > Op 20-10-2023 om 05:10 schreef David Wright: > > On Thu 19 Oct 2023 at 13:30:53 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: > > > I don't intend to send mail from this machine myself, I want mail from > > > the system (e.g. unattended-upgrades) deliv

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-20 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 19-10-2023 om 21:50 schreef Greg Wooledge: Once the spam stops coming from your system, then you can try to get your IP address removed from all of the DNS spammer lists. Usually there's a web form you can fill out. Or the listing may expire after a while. I've seen many postings over the

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-20 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 20-10-2023 om 05:10 schreef David Wright: On Thu 19 Oct 2023 at 13:30:53 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: I don't intend to send mail from this machine myself, I want mail from the system (e.g. unattended-upgrades) delivered to my personal mailbox. I wouldn't expect /then/ to see my name, or l

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread David Wright
On Thu 19 Oct 2023 at 13:30:53 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: > Op 18-10-2023 om 18:30 schreef David Wright: > > On Tue 17 Oct 2023 at 19:41:43 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: > > > gklein@parvos:~$ cat /etc/passwd | grep gklein > > > gklein:x:1000:1000:Gertjan Klein,,,:/home/gklein:/bin/bash > > > >

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 09:10:50PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: > Op 19-10-2023 om 15:00 schreef Greg Wooledge: > > Traditional Unix terminal- or command-line-based MUAs inject new messages > > into the outgoing mail queue by piping them to /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > That means, as I believe Stefan po

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 19-10-2023 om 15:00 schreef Greg Wooledge: Traditional Unix terminal- or command-line-based MUAs inject new messages into the outgoing mail queue by piping them to /usr/sbin/sendmail. That means, as I believe Stefan pointed out, that they leave authorization to this single program, for all

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Traditional Unix terminal- or command-line-based MUAs inject new messages > into the outgoing mail queue by piping them to /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > Fancy GUI MUAs like Thunderbird are often written to work on either > Windows or Unix, so they don't always offer the ability to inject through > /usr

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 01:10:22PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: > Op 17-10-2023 om 23:20 schreef Greg Wooledge: > > [...] This is different > > from when an MTA accepts a message directly from a MUA. That's usually > > called a "submission", and can use either SMTP or /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > So a

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 18-10-2023 om 18:30 schreef David Wright: On Tue 17 Oct 2023 at 19:41:43 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: gklein@parvos:~$ cat /etc/passwd | grep gklein gklein:x:1000:1000:Gertjan Klein,,,:/home/gklein:/bin/bash On my (bullseye) system, that field is what is used to get my full name. It's wh

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-19 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 17-10-2023 om 23:20 schreef Greg Wooledge: On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 09:50:13PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: I do appreciate it. If I switch to bsd-mailx I have something that should work. Although I'm concerned by the statement (on the Debian package page) that it doesn't speak SMTP. This is ho

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-18 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2023-10-18 at 13:56 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Before stretch, if you had heirloom-mailx installed, both "mail -a file" > and "mailx -a file" worked.  After upgrading to stretch, you'd have an > s-nail program, but *not* a mail or mailx program, so all your scripts > would break. 

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 06:04:30PM +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2023-10-18 at 11:28 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > (Aside: does anyone know what "heirloom-mailx" is?) > > I remember it being the mailx compatible program that got installed by > default many releases ago, and it was replaced by s-na

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-18 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2023-10-18 at 11:28 -0500, David Wright wrote: > (Aside: does anyone know what "heirloom-mailx" is?) I remember it being the mailx compatible program that got installed by default many releases ago, and it was replaced by s-nail in 2016. (Possibly as a fork of that orphaned project?) I st

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 17 Oct 2023 at 19:41:43 (+0200), Gertjan Klein wrote: > Op 17-10-2023 om 19:10 schreef Geert Stappers: > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 05:43:55PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: > > > I am configuring a new VPS, and decided to try nullmailer to send mail. > > > I don't want to receive mail on the VP

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 09:50:13PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: > Op 17-10-2023 om 20:40 schreef Greg Wooledge: > > On my system, mailx points to bsd-mailx: > > On Geert's as well. I wonder why. I installed nullmailer, and it > automatically pulled in mailutils. I stayed with it because I don't kno

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-17 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 17-10-2023 om 20:40 schreef Greg Wooledge: On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 05:43:55PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: While this is more an annoyance than a showstopper for me, I would like the From address to look like "My name ". Does anyone here know which program to persuade, and how to persuade it?

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 05:43:55PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: > This works, but the mail > from address looks like this: "gklein ". This irks me. > My account has my full name configured; why isn't it used? I am testing > this as follows: > > $ echo "this is a test" | mail -s Subject gkl...@parvo

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-17 Thread Gertjan Klein
Op 17-10-2023 om 19:10 schreef Geert Stappers: On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 05:43:55PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: I am configuring a new VPS, and decided to try nullmailer to send mail. I don't want to receive mail on the VPS, I just want the mail the system generates to end up in my mailbox elsewhe

Re: Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-17 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 05:43:55PM +0200, Gertjan Klein wrote: > I am configuring a new VPS, and decided to try nullmailer to send mail. > I don't want to receive mail on the VPS, I just want the mail the system > generates to end up in my mailbox elsewhere. This works, but the mail > from address

Mailutils+nullmailer: sender full name

2023-10-17 Thread Gertjan Klein
I am configuring a new VPS, and decided to try nullmailer to send mail. I don't want to receive mail on the VPS, I just want the mail the system generates to end up in my mailbox elsewhere. This works, but the mail from address looks like this: "gklein ". This irks me. My account has my full name