Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-11-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2011-11-26 at 06:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Pardon, I didn't notice that this thread was from old digest :(. > Evolution did show unread mails u n s o r t e d and I didn't take a > look at the date :(. > > My bad :(, sorry. I'm embarrassed. There's no need to discuss this old GRUB

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-11-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Pardon, I didn't notice that this thread was from old digest :(. Evolution did show unread mails u n s o r t e d and I didn't take a look at the date :(. My bad :(, sorry. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listm

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-11-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 18:40 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:19:15 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:27:18 -0400, Tom H wrote: > >>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Camaleón wrote: > > > > > > For grub2, t

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 29 June 2011 19:50:59 Tom H wrote: >>> If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in >>> Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i... I definitely said the above. I didn't realize that this was what Ca

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 29 June 2011 19:50:59 Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Lisi wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 June 2011 15:55:58 Camaleón wrote: > >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote: > >> >> > If I were the grub maintaine

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 29 June 2011 15:55:58 Camaleón wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote: >> > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote: >> >> > >> >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in >> >> > Debi

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 29 June 2011 15:55:58 Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote: > >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in > >> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i... > > > > So we'

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote: >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in >> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i... > > So we'll all have to switch to Lilo, which is still maintained. (O

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:00:00 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 28 iun 11, 18:40:15, Camaleón wrote: >> >> But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and >> thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes >> unsupported). > > "*has* to be maintained" or did

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:32:31 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Camaleón wrote: >>> >>> If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in >>> Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i... >> >> Ha, how nice! >:-) >> >> But the package is still available an

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:30:17 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 18:40:15 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and >> thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes >> unsupported). > > Maintained? Like chimera2. Like

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:52:03 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:42:51 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> How that can be? >> >> GRUB legacy package is still available in Debian repos, is just the >> installer that does not present the option to get it by default. And >> being the expert ins

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29/06/11 04:18, Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:22:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: > >> The variables that can be set in "/etc/default/grub" are exported in >> "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" ("/etc/default/grub" is sourced by >> "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig"). >> >> Why they aren't listed in "/etc/defaul

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 21:55:50 +0100, Lisi wrote: > As I understand it, the argument is that Grub legacy should be available as > part of the "expert" install process. Yes, that's the proposition. But "expert" doesn't mean expert and foisting some end-of-line, unsupported software on me for boot

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote: > > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in Debian > > would be to make it unavailable from d-i... So we'll all have to switch to Lilo, which is still maintained. (Or should I say again??) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:52:03 Brian wrote: > Reasonable? So you say to the user (who might be new to Debian) - here's > a bit of decaying software. It boots your machine. Or might not. Either > way, we aren't going to put much effort into supporting it because > nobody is really interested in ma

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 28 iun 11, 18:40:15, Camaleón wrote: > > But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and > thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes unsupported). "*has* to be maintained" or did you rather mean "should"? ,[ http://www.debian.org/devel/constit

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 18:40:15 +, Camaleón wrote: > But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and > thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes unsupported). Maintained? Like chimera2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:19:15 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> I'd include the majority of Debian users too in my statement. > > The majority of Debian users just want to boot their machine. They are > thankful it doesn't collapse on them. Most of the time.

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> >> If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in Debian >> would be to make it unavailable from d-i... > > Ha, how nice! >:-) > > But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and > thus, it has to be mainta

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:19:15 -0400, Tom H wrote: > I'd include the majority of Debian users too in my statement. The majority of Debian users just want to boot their machine. They are thankful it doesn't collapse on them. Most of the time. Maybe. Who knows? > Changing the files in "/etc/grub.d

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:22:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: > >> The variables that can be set in "/etc/default/grub" are exported in >> "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" ("/etc/default/grub" is sourced by >> "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig"). >> >> Why they aren't listed i

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:42:51 +, Camaleón wrote: > How that can be? > > GRUB legacy package is still available in Debian repos, is just the > installer that does not present the option to get it by default. And > being the expert installer, having both options would be more than > reason

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:19:15 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:27:18 -0400, Tom H wrote: >>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Camaleón wrote: > > > For grub2, there's also just one file to tweak, "/etc/default/grub", > and

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:22:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: > The variables that can be set in "/etc/default/grub" are exported in > "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" ("/etc/default/grub" is sourced by > "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig"). > > Why they aren't listed in "/etc/default/grub" is anyone's guess. Why guess?

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 26 iun 11, 08:39:03, Camaleón wrote: >> >> I'm afraid that in the learning process I'm going to damn GRUB 2 one or >> two times while I remember to run "update-grub" after editing "/etc/ >> default/grub" :-) > > update-grub was necess

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:52:31 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 28 iun 11, 13:42:51, Camaleón wrote: >> >> GRUB legacy package is still available in Debian repos, is just the >> installer that does not present the option to get it by default. And >> being the expert installer, having both opti

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:31:20 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Camaleón wrote: >>> >>> But there are not many variables that can be set at "/etc/default/grub" >>> so why not listing all of them and briefly comment them in th

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:27:18 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Camaleón wrote: For grub2, there's also just one file to tweak, "/etc/default/grub", and the CLI tools are more powerful. >>> >>> Are your sure? >> >

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 28 iun 11, 13:42:51, Camaleón wrote: > > GRUB legacy package is still available in Debian repos, is just the > installer that does not present the option to get it by default. And > being the expert installer, having both options would be more than > reasonable, IMO. The transition from

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:03:30 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 27 iun 11, 11:01:30, Camaleón wrote: >> >> Sorry if I sound a bit apocalyptic, but removing something just for the >> sake of removing is not a good way to encourage your users to make the >> change. > > I have to disagree with y

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 27 iun 11, 11:01:30, Camaleón wrote: > > Sorry if I sound a bit apocalyptic, but removing something just for the > sake of removing is not a good way to encourage your users to make the > change. I have to disagree with you. grub1 is not being removed "just for the sake of removing", bu

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 26 iun 11, 08:39:03, Camaleón wrote: > > I'm afraid that in the learning process I'm going to damn GRUB 2 one or > two times while I remember to run "update-grub" after editing "/etc/ > default/grub" :-) update-grub was necessary with grub1 as well, unless you edited the stanzas directly

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-27 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:31:20 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> >> But there are not many variables that can be set at "/etc/default/grub" >> so why not listing all of them and briefly comment them in the same >> file? > > +1 For GRUB's 2 newcomers (like m

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-27 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:30:26 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> >> The less files for a bootloader, the better. Not a scientific >> statement, of course, just a wild-guess. > > One of the grub developers' sales-pitches for grub2 is that it's modular > and y

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/06/11 17:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 24 iun 11, 15:11:13, Freeman wrote: >> >> My menu.lst of Grub 0.97 included numerous different rc levels to select >> from. Just a way of selecting between different interfaces while booting. >> >> So the following blocks in the automagic section o

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-27 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:27:18 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> For grub2, there's also just one file to tweak, "/etc/default/grub", >>> and the CLI tools are more powerful. >> >> Are your sure? > > Yes, for the great majority of users. Ah, that's

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 24 iun 11, 15:11:13, Freeman wrote: > > My menu.lst of Grub 0.97 included numerous different rc levels to select > from. Just a way of selecting between different interfaces while booting. > > So the following blocks in the automagic section of menu.lst resulted in a 4 > item menu for eac

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-26 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Camaleón wrote: > > But there are not many variables that can be set at "/etc/default/grub" > so why not listing all of them and briefly comment them in the same file? +1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-26 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Camaleón wrote: > > The less files for a bootloader, the better. Not a scientific statement, > of course, just a wild-guess. One of the grub developers' sales-pitches for grub2 is that it's modular and you can use insmod (a grub insmod not the standard one) to loa

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-26 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Camaleón wrote: > El 25/06/11 19:01, Tom H escribió: >> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Camaleón  wrote: >>> I also find GRUB legacy more suitable to my needs. I don't remember any >>> problem with it, I mean, nothing that could not be solved by manually >>> ed

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-26 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 23:46:00 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 25 Jun 2011 at 19:14:06 +, Camaleón wrote: >> > With Linux you have complete control - so you can alter any file you >> > wish. However, it is not usual (and maybe ill-advised) to change >> > 00_header, 10_linux, 20_linux_xen or 30_os-

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread William Hopkins
On 06/24/11 at 09:51pm, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 21:35:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > > > Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well. But I suspect > > most people will be content with the simpler configuration options > > offered by editing /etc/default/grub and running up

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Freeman
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 01:52:15PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 15:11:13 -0700, Freeman wrote: > > > Grub2 didn't like my setup during upgrade. > > > > My menu.lst of Grub 0.97 included numerous different rc levels to select > > from. Just a way of selecting between different int

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Freeman
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 01:19:39PM -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Freeman wrote: > > > > Grub2 didn't like my setup during upgrade. > > > > My menu.lst of Grub 0.97 included numerous different rc levels to select > > from. Just a way of selecting between different interfa

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 25 Jun 2011 at 19:14:06 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:30:50 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 25 Jun 2011 at 19:34:27 +0200, Camaleón wrote: > > (...) > > > With Linux you have complete control - so you can alter any file you > > wish. However, it is not usual (and maybe

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 25 Jun 2011 at 19:49:48 +, Camaleón wrote: > Ah, okay, it's on the same file. It instructs the user to run "info -f > grub -n 'Simple configuration'. > > Good to know... and already done. They are also here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html > But there are not ma

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:14:06 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:30:50 +0100, Brian wrote: >>> So let's say I want to disallow GRUB2 from including my Windows >>> partition at the menu... should I tweak /etc/default/grub or should I >>> dive into /etc/grub.d/os-prober, or...? >> >> G

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:30:50 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 25 Jun 2011 at 19:34:27 +0200, Camaleón wrote: (...) > With Linux you have complete control - so you can alter any file you > wish. However, it is not usual (and maybe ill-advised) to change > 00_header, 10_linux, 20_linux_xen or 30_os-pr

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 25 Jun 2011 at 19:34:27 +0200, Camaleón wrote: > El 25/06/11 19:01, Tom H escribió: > >> For grub2, there's also just one file to tweak, "/etc/default/grub", >> and the CLI tools are more powerful. > > Are your sure? > > test@debian:~$ ls -l /etc/grub* > total 52 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 67

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Camaleón
El 25/06/11 19:01, Tom H escribió: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Camaleón wrote: I also find GRUB legacy more suitable to my needs. I don't remember any problem with it, I mean, nothing that could not be solved by manually editing the "menu.lst" or by launching GRUB's legacy console from

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:31 PM, consul tores wrote: > 2011/6/24 Brian : >> On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 21:35:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >>> Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well.  But I suspect >>> most people will be content with the simpler configuration options >>> offered by e

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Freeman wrote: > Grub2 didn't like my setup during upgrade. > > My menu.lst of Grub 0.97 included numerous different rc levels to select > from. Just a way of selecting between different interfaces while booting. > > So the following blocks in the automagic secti

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:42:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> For the record, I prefer grub1's config to grub2's but grub2's been >> almost problem-free for me for a long time. Almost: one small problem >> (Karmic's grub2 couldn't recognize Fedora's ini

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 15:11:13 -0700, Freeman wrote: > Grub2 didn't like my setup during upgrade. > > My menu.lst of Grub 0.97 included numerous different rc levels to select > from. Just a way of selecting between different interfaces while booting. > > So the following blocks in the automagi

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-25 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:20:21 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 19:13:27 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> Nope, that's a GRUB's statement not a Debian's one :-) > > You'll have to make do with this: > > http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/GRUB2asDefault Old stuff. GRUB2 as default in the

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/06/11 06:51, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 21:35:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well. But I suspect >> most people will be content with the simpler configuration options >> offered by editing /etc/default/grub and running update-gru

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread consul tores
2011/6/24 Brian : > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 21:35:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well.  But I suspect >> most people will be content with the simpler configuration options >> offered by editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub. > > That's m

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Freeman
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 09:51:14PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 21:35:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > > > Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well. But I suspect > > most people will be content with the simpler configuration options > > offered by editing /etc/default/g

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 21:35:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well. But I suspect > most people will be content with the simpler configuration options > offered by editing /etc/default/grub and running update-grub. That's me! Although I do have a lit

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 19:13:27 +, Camaleón wrote: > Nope, that's a GRUB's statement not a Debian's one :-) You'll have to make do with this: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/GRUB2asDefault > There are many packages that are not being "actively" developed but still > maintained upstream

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-06-24 19:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > While menu.lst has some lines, grub.cfg has tons of lines and using > GRUB2 with comfort, we need to edit grub.cfg manually ... Having switched to grub2 recently, I do that as well. But I suspect most people will be content with the simpler config

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:18:27 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 17:47:44 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> That would be fine... if there was such a public statement. This is the >> first time I read that a legacy piece of software is out just because >> of its age because it still receives bu

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 17:47:44 +, Camaleón wrote: > That would be fine... if there was such a public statement. This is the > first time I read that a legacy piece of software is out just because of > its age because it still receives bugfixes. Will this do (The GRUB Development section)?

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
"I can live without the pretty background pictures(s)" Hehe ;). +1, resp. I won't call those pictures pretty :D. GRUB2 is a PITA, but as mentioned before, very entertaining, as long as you are jobless and has got more time as usual :D. While menu.lst has some lines, grub.cfg has tons of lines an

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:49:27 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 24 June 2011 18:33:02 Glenn English wrote: >> I can live without the pretty background pictures(s)... > > I _prefer_ to live without the background pictures. ;-) He, he... the first thing I did as soon as I saw my poor GRUB's menu with

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:37:04 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 15:18:08 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> No? Then why removing it from the installer? :-? > > There is no further upstream development of it. Debian will not maintain > it. It's dead. So GRUB2 became a release goal for Squeeze.

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Lisi
On Friday 24 June 2011 18:33:02 Glenn English wrote: > I can live without the pretty background pictures(s)... I _prefer_ to live without the background pictures. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listm

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> I mean, nothing that could not be solved by manually > editing the "menu.lst" > I'm editing grub.cfg manually ;). Doing that GRUB2 is ok too, at least for my needs. But indeed, e.g. sub-menus aren't supported by all versions of GRUB2. If you need to be on the safe side, avoid the usage

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Glenn English
On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Camaleón wrote: > When I installed Squeeze, back five months ago when still tagged as > "testing", it was indeed available, I mean, the installer asked what to > put, GRUB legacy or GRUB2. Are you sure that now Squeeze installer has > removed that option? :-? Yup;

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Brian
On Fri 24 Jun 2011 at 15:18:08 +, Camaleón wrote: > No? Then why removing it from the installer? :-? There is no further upstream development of it. Debian will not maintain it. It's dead. So GRUB2 became a release goal for Squeeze. > Oh, sure. > > But I like Debian precisely for those thi

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:42:40 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> >> Yesterday I had to perform an new install with the latest wheezy >> snapshot (weekly CD#1 image). >> >> 1/ I could only get grub-pc, no more questions about installing GRUB >> legacy or sele

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:08:34 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 23 Jun 2011 at 15:42:43 +, Camaleón wrote: > >> Point 1/ worries me a bit, because GRUB2 was not going to be my >> preferred option for wheezy... is there any chance to get GRUB legacy >> at install time or that option won't be present

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-24 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:07:10 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > On Jun 23, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: > >> Yesterday I had to perform an new install with the latest wheezy >> snapshot (weekly CD#1 image). >> >> Some thoughs while dealing with the expert install... >> >> 1/ I could only get gr

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-23 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: > > Yesterday I had to perform an new install with the latest wheezy snapshot > (weekly CD#1 image). > > 1/ I could only get grub-pc, no more questions about installing GRUB > legacy or select the new version... is that right? I thought GRUB2 is >

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-23 Thread Brian
On Thu 23 Jun 2011 at 15:42:43 +, Camaleón wrote: > Point 1/ worries me a bit, because GRUB2 was not going to be my preferred > option for wheezy... is there any chance to get GRUB legacy at install > time or that option won't be present anymore? Doesn't look like it. But grub-legacy awaits

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-23 Thread Glenn English
On Jun 23, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: > Yesterday I had to perform an new install with the latest wheezy snapshot > (weekly CD#1 image). > > Some thoughs while dealing with the expert install... > > 1/ I could only get grub-pc, no more questions about installing GRUB > legacy or select

No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

2011-06-23 Thread Camaleón
Hello, Yesterday I had to perform an new install with the latest wheezy snapshot (weekly CD#1 image). Some thoughs while dealing with the expert install... 1/ I could only get grub-pc, no more questions about installing GRUB legacy or select the new version... is that right? I thought GRUB2 is