On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 08:00:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [mailto:h...@debian.org]
The Debian way is to provide mariadb packages, and keep providing Oracle
mysql packages. We'll do away with Oracle mysql when the day comes that
it
is unfeasible or
On Lu, 17 iun 13, 07:21:18, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Again, I'm switching distros regarding to my needs and I disagree.
Slavko mentioned the same as I did: [snip] all [snip] decisions must
follow the policy documents [snip].
Have you actually read the Policy? It's basically a document that
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:49:04 +0200, Andrei POPESCU
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Lu, 17 iun 13, 07:21:18, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Again, I'm switching distros regarding to my needs and I disagree.
Slavko mentioned the same as I did: [snip] all [snip] decisions must
follow the policy
On Du, 16 iun 13, 07:02:35, Slavko wrote:
As i mentioned, anybody can be member of the Debian community, but pure
users are consumers only. And this ML is for these consumers ;-)
Users can (and should):
- report bugs as they find them and be ready to test new versions
proposed by
Dňa 16.06.2013 09:49 Andrei POPESCU wrote / napísal(a):
On Du, 16 iun 13, 07:02:35, Slavko wrote:
As i mentioned, anybody can be member of the Debian community, but pure
users are consumers only. And this ML is for these consumers ;-)
Users can (and should):
snip. You are right in all
On 6/16/2013 1:02 AM, Slavko wrote:
Dňa 16.06.2013 03:01 Weaver wrote / napísal(a):
Unless things have changed lately, I was under the impression that Debian
was a community.
Sure, the Debian is community distribution, as described in the Social
contract (see
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
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* On 2013 16 Jun 07:59 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Yes, this is a consumers mailing list. And if consumers can't
pass along what they want for the future, Debian will quickly lose
users to distros which do listen.
Debian does listen since its developers are its users as well. You may
get
On Du, 16 iun 13, 11:15:03, Slavko wrote:
Please, note that i don't wrote about collaborating, but i wrote about
making decisions. I am sorry, if it was not clean.
Well, in general Debian works as a do-ocracy. That means the decision is
taken by whoever does the work. It is entirely possible
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
Who cares about other distros? I'm talking about Debian.
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On 6/16/2013 10:27 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2013 16 Jun 07:59 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Yes, this is a consumers mailing list. And if consumers can't
pass along what they want for the future, Debian will quickly lose
users to distros which do listen.
Debian does listen since its
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:29:44 +0200, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net
wrote:
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
Who
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:44 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
Who
Dňa 16.06.2013 18:05 Andrei POPESCU wrote / napísal(a):
On Du, 16 iun 13, 11:15:03, Slavko wrote:
Well, in general Debian works as a do-ocracy. That means the decision is
taken by whoever does the work. It is entirely possible to maintain a
package or take care of parts of the
On 6/16/2013 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:44 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Pretty much ANY distro which listens better than the Debian
developers will gain at the loss of Debian.
That's the way the world is going. If you don't deliver what users
want, someone else will.
It's not like back in the 80's when there were
On Sun, June 16, 2013 6:17 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will quickly lose users to distros which do listen
Can you name some distros that do listen?
O.K., I find that Debian does.
There seem to be some here that think that there are
From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [mailto:h...@debian.org]
The Debian way is to provide mariadb packages, and keep providing Oracle
mysql packages. We'll do away with Oracle mysql when the day comes that
it
is unfeasible or extremely undesireable to keep providing them, or nobody
wants to
Mark Allums wrote:
From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [mailto:h...@debian.org]
The Debian way is to provide mariadb packages, and keep providing Oracle
mysql packages.
What we would probably do:
0. add mariadb packages.
1. Rename mysql* to mysql-oracle*, provide msyql-* transitional
From: Miles Fidelman [mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net]
This is essentially what the consensus of the discussions I have seen boils
down to. Some distributions, such as Fedora, are switching. It's an
either/or. Debian appears to prefer to let the marketplace decide
(marketplace here
Mark writes:
I think it's because MariaDB is a fork of MySQL. Since they both do
exactly the same thing, why have both?, is the thinking.
Debian will have both for as long as there are developers willing to
maintain both and both remain Free.
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On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 14:07 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 6/16/2013 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:29:44 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 6/16/2013 9:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 08:57 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Debian will
On Vi, 14 iun 13, 21:10:40, Weaver wrote:
Surely we can make things a little tidier than that.
Is it really so hard to settle policy on one database - Postgresql? - then
modify Debian packages, including LibreOffice, for that.
Debian package maintainers usually try to stay as close as
On Sat, June 15, 2013 1:05 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 iun 13, 21:10:40, Weaver wrote:
Surely we can make things a little tidier than that.
Is it really so hard to settle policy on one database - Postgresql? -
then
modify Debian packages, including LibreOffice, for that.
Debian
On 6/15/2013 12:10 AM, Weaver wrote:
snip
And to digress a little, it might be an idea to firm up policy around
database generally while we are at it.
I'm sick of installing this package and this one and that and the other,
then looking up at the end of the install to find that mysql,
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 09:10:40PM -0700, Weaver wrote:
I'm sick of installing this package and this one and that and the other,
then looking up at the end of the install to find that mysql, postgresql,
firebird, and two or three other database structures have all been pulled
in as
On Sat, June 15, 2013 6:58 am, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 09:10:40PM -0700, Weaver wrote:
I'm sick of installing this package and this one and that and the other,
then looking up at the end of the install to find that mysql,
postgresql,
firebird, and two or three other
Dňa 16.06.2013 03:01 Weaver wrote / napísal(a):
Unless things have changed lately, I was under the impression that Debian
was a community.
Sure, the Debian is community distribution, as described in the Social
contract (see http://www.debian.org/social_contract)
But not community in Ubuntu's
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and OpenSuSE, is
switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will follow suit, since
they have set precedents many times for preferring free software. (Example:
Kumar Appaiah:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and
OpenSuSE, is switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will follow
suit, since they have set precedents many times for preferring free software.
On Fri, June 14, 2013 6:01 pm, Mark Allums wrote:
Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and OpenSuSE,
is switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will follow suit,
since they have set precedents many times for preferring free software.
(Example: OpenOffice.org ==
On Fri, June 14, 2013 8:47 pm, Mark Allums wrote:
Kumar Appaiah:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 08:01:27PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Slashdot and others have reported that RedHat, like Fedora and
OpenSuSE, is switching from MySQL to MariaDB. I expect Debian will
follow
suit, since they have set
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