On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:59:21 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Just now discovered a mutt feature which blows all the "web forum"
> competition away:
>
> -V
>
> Note, as opposed to -v
>
> I.e. "fold"/ unfold all threads - and when you enter a thread/ read
> it's first msg, that thread is auto
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 02:04:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
And note the keyboard bindings, "split thread" and delete attachments
features here:
https://heipei.net/2009/09/10/mutt-threading-like-a-pro/
These are features that are not present in upstream mutt, fwiw, but
patched into the
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 01:59:21PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> Just now discovered a mutt feature which blows all the "web forum"
> competition away:
>
> -V
>
> Note, as opposed to -v
>
> I.e. "fold"/ unfold all threads - and when you enter a thread/ read
> it's first msg, that thread is
Just now discovered a mutt feature which blows all the "web forum"
competition away:
-V
Note, as opposed to -v
I.e. "fold"/ unfold all threads - and when you enter a thread/ read
it's first msg, that thread is auto unfolded.
As good as it gets... and better than javascript web online only
Hi,
I have always preferred something like NNTP to email lists for groups like
this. I have always seen mailing lists as the precursor for NNTP. So switching
to NNTP should be the upgrade to the future. ;-)
>> That was my take on the matter as well - or at least it was a
>> suggestion that
On Tue, Sep 04, 2018 at 10:05:14PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
Yes, I probably can, but this is a bit public for that. :(
I'm glad to learn your "what's appropriate for Debian User" self-filter
has at least *some* bounds.
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On Tuesday 04 September 2018 20:42:13 Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2018-09-04, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > thing they've now given it a "better" name of PTSD (by the libtards
> > definitions).
>
> "Libtards"? Gene, you can do better than that.
Yes, I probably can, but this is a bit public for that. :(
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 16:23:30 -0400
Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 04:05:52PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 10, 2018 07:33:39 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> > > Dan Ritter wrote:
> > > > 3. Indexed mail searching. Whatever works with your preferred
> > > > mail
On 2018-09-04, Gene Heskett wrote:
> thing they've now given it a "better" name of PTSD (by the libtards
> definitions).
"Libtards"? Gene, you can do better than that.
On Tuesday 04 September 2018 13:53:19 John Hasler wrote:
> Dan Purgert wrote:
> > (Also wasn't "The War" specifically WWI?)
>
> "The War" is whatever major conflict ended long enough ago for the
> children of its veterans to have heard it called "The War" but not
> long enough ago for another to
Dan Purgert wrote:
> (Also wasn't "The War" specifically WWI?)
"The War" is whatever major conflict ended long enough ago for the
children of its veterans to have heard it called "The War" but not long
enough ago for another to have intervened.
It can also refer to whatever war one is presumed
On Tuesday 04 September 2018 12:15:59 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 September 2018 11:09:07 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> (Also wasn't "The War" specifically WWI?)
> >
> > [...]
> > born till '34. So The War to me was WW-II. (or later) I can remember
> > my grandfather as
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 September 2018 11:09:07 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> (Also wasn't "The War" specifically WWI?)
> [...]
> born till '34. So The War to me was WW-II. (or later) I can remember my
> grandfather as he turned off the battery powered radio on Dec. 7th, 1941
> after the
On Tuesday 04 September 2018 11:09:07 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 September 2018 07:42:53 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 01:35:35PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> >> [*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP
On Tuesday, 4 Sep 2018 at 11:42, Dan Purgert wrote:
> Aren't academics grand? :)
Yes. We've been put on this earth to keep IT guys on their toes! :)
--
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50 & org 9.1.13 on Debian buster/sid
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 September 2018 07:42:53 Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Dave Sherohman wrote:
>> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 01:35:35PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> [*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP service,
>> >> let's move to the 21st century and use SFTP,
Hi,
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> Many also permit the changing of the Subject: field when the topic has
> wandered away from the original value. It would be a great service to
> many of one's fellow mailing list participants if more people would take
> advantage of that.
In general i agree.
But
On Tuesday 04 September 2018 07:42:53 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 01:35:35PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> [*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP service,
> >> let's move to the 21st century and use SFTP, please?
> >
> > Last week, we
On Tuesday 04 September 2018 06:20:10 Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 01:35:35PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > [*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP service, let's
> > move to the 21st century and use SFTP, please?
>
> Last week, we decommissioned an ancient
Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 01:35:35PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> [*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP service, let's
>> move to the 21st century and use SFTP, please?
>
> Last week, we decommissioned an ancient server[1] and then got a call
> two days later
On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 01:35:35PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> [*] Please you one last holdout using our ancient FTP service, let's
> move to the 21st century and use SFTP, please?
Last week, we decommissioned an ancient server[1] and then got a call
two days later from an academic complaining
Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Monday, 3 Sep 2018 at 10:42, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> That was my take on the matter as well - or at least it was a suggestion
>> that perhaps the debian lists "move away from these 'old' communication
>> channels".
>
> And it was reassuring to see that I am not
On Monday, 3 Sep 2018 at 10:42, Dan Purgert wrote:
[...]
> That was my take on the matter as well - or at least it was a suggestion
> that perhaps the debian lists "move away from these 'old' communication
> channels".
And it was reassuring to see that I am not alone in preferring nntp and
On Sun, Sep 02, 2018 at 09:06:07AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Some email clients have filtering. Get one.
Many also permit the changing of the Subject: field when the topic has
wandered away from the original value. It would be a great service to
many of one's fellow mailing list participants
Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Sunday, 2 Sep 2018 at 15:51, Curt wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I knew you were humorless, but this endless OT thread is spam and
>> now represents a considerable pollutive presence in the archives.
>
> Well, I for one, have been enjoying it (or, at least, until somebody
> told
On Mon, Sep 03, 2018 at 01:21:16AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2018, Curt wrote:
>
> > You are far from the most egregious participant but are a participant
> > nonetheless, and more than once.
>
> You're *counting*?
>
> You point the finger and accuse, but are not complicit in
On Sunday, 2 Sep 2018 at 15:51, Curt wrote:
[...]
> I knew you were humorless, but this endless OT thread is spam and
> now represents a considerable pollutive presence in the archives.
Well, I for one, have been enjoying it (or, at least, until somebody
told somebody else to STFU). I use
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018, Curt wrote:
You are far from the most egregious participant but are a
participant nonetheless, and more than once.
You're *counting*?
You point the finger and accuse, but are not complicit in the
crime? This is a pose very familiar to all students of
Nuremberg.
--
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:14:02 +0200
Nicolas George wrote:
>
> This list is about using Debian.
It's called 'debian-user'. Which of the contributors are you suggesting
are not Debian users?
--
Joe
On 2018-09-02, John Hasler wrote:
> Curt writes:
>> This facetiously protracted OT thread kicked off by a long-gone troll
>> has renewed my interest in the venerable STFU protocol, which might be
>> immediately employed for this specific exchange to the utmost
>> bandwidth-economizing effect.
>
>
On Sunday 02 September 2018 10:06:07 John Hasler wrote:
> Curt writes:
> > This facetiously protracted OT thread kicked off by a long-gone
> > troll has renewed my interest in the venerable STFU protocol, which
> > might be immediately employed for this specific exchange to the
> > utmost
Dan Purgert (2018-09-02):
> Difference is, Curt chose to subscribe to this list, which happens to
> carry this thread
This list is about using Debian.
This thread is not.
Therefore, this thread is pollution on this list.
I will personally refrain from polluting further.
Regards,
--
Nicolas
Nicolas George wrote:
> John Hasler (2018-09-02):
>> Some email clients have filtering. Get one.
>
> This kind of answer is despicable. You would deserve that Curt
> subscribes your address to all junk mail lists he can find. You would
> just have to filter them.
>
Difference is, Curt chose to
John Hasler (2018-09-02):
> Some email clients have filtering. Get one.
This kind of answer is despicable. You would deserve that Curt
subscribes your address to all junk mail lists he can find. You would
just have to filter them.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
Curt writes:
> This facetiously protracted OT thread kicked off by a long-gone troll
> has renewed my interest in the venerable STFU protocol, which might be
> immediately employed for this specific exchange to the utmost
> bandwidth-economizing effect.
Some email clients have filtering. Get
On 2018-09-02, John Hasler wrote:
> tomás writes:
>> In the US, perhaps riseup.net?
>
> I prefer newsguy.com . They are not experiencing a financial crisis and
> have been in business for more than twenty years. I've been satisfied
> with their service for most of this century.
This
tomás writes:
> In the US, perhaps riseup.net?
I prefer newsguy.com . They are not experiencing a financial crisis and
have been in business for more than twenty years. I've been satisfied
with their service for most of this century.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
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On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 05:22:34PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> >It prevents the deletion of emails that the same login client, on
> >a different box setup for imap, from losing their email corpus.
>
>
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018, Gene Heskett wrote:
It prevents the deletion of emails that the same login client,
on a different box setup for imap, from losing their email
corpus.
This sounds like "I'm from the government. I'm here to help you
not harm yourself."
It's just more dumbing down to the
On Saturday 01 September 2018 13:54:40 Bob Bernstein wrote:
> About this ISP that prevents fetchmail from deleting messages
> after they're downloaded, may one ask, "Cui bono?"
>
> How is it in their interest to provide this um feature?
It prevents the deletion of emails that the same login
About this ISP that prevents fetchmail from deleting messages
after they're downloaded, may one ask, "Cui bono?"
How is it in their interest to provide this um feature?
--
Poobah
On Saturday 01 September 2018 05:46:57 mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-08-29 10:54, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>
> > Thats all about 10x easier than launching a ^@& browser, logging
> > into the mail server and reading the crap presented, in the order of
> > arrivasl
> > there. But because 99% of my
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On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 10:54:08AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-08-29 17:06, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:01:44AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>> Massive proprietary email providers are just such points
On 2018-08-29 17:06, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:01:44AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
[...]
> Massive proprietary email providers are just such points of failure.
True. Explain that to your neighbor and try to convince him that it's
a
good reason for him to quit using
On 2018-08-29 10:54, Gene Heskett wrote:
Thats all about 10x easier than launching a ^@& browser, logging into
the mail server and reading the crap presented, in the order of
arrivasl
there. But because 99% of my ISP's users use IMAP, my ISP has disabled
fetchmails ability to delete a
Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:35:35 - (UTC)
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote:
>> > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
>> > Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over
>> >> again.
>> > Not quite yet. I can still invent a
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:35:35 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
> > Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over
> >> again.
> > Not quite yet. I can still invent a completely new protocol, send
Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over again.
>>
> Not quite yet. I can still invent a completely new protocol, send you
> the details, and we can exchange data over the Net using it. One day,
>
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:24:42 -0500
> > John Hasler wrote:
> >
> >> tomás writes:
> >> > Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
> >> > gmail/outlook to posteo.de. Every little bit counts.
>
On Thursday 30 August 2018 05:53:32 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:53:50 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:53:50 Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with
Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:24:42 -0500
> John Hasler wrote:
>
>> tomás writes:
>> > Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
>> > gmail/outlook to posteo.de. Every little bit counts.
>>
>> I'm sure we're losing ground, though.
>
> If we get to the point where the
On Wed 29 Aug 2018 at 15:07:31 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:33:48 John Hasler wrote:
>
> > Gene writes:
> > > Yes, but fetchmails delete is ignored, so I have to keep the email
> > > cleaned out with a web browser...
> >
> > Why in hell are you using that
Gene writes:
> Yes, but fetchmails delete is ignored, so I have to keep the email
> cleaned out with a web browser...
I wrote:
> Why in hell are you using that provider?
Gene writes:
> This is WV. Its the only game in the area.
Your ISP needn't be your email provider.
--
John Hasler
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:53:50 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be
>
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 11:33:48 John Hasler wrote:
> Gene writes:
> > Yes, but fetchmails delete is ignored, so I have to keep the email
> > cleaned out with a web browser...
>
> Why in hell are you using that provider?
This is WV. Its the only game in the area.
--
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:24:42 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> tomás writes:
> > Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
> > gmail/outlook to posteo.de. Every little bit counts.
>
> I'm sure we're losing ground, though.
If we get to the point where the majority dictates what
tomás writes:
> Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
> gmail/outlook to posteo.de. Every little bit counts.
I'm sure we're losing ground, though.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On 8/29/18 11:29 AM, John Hasler wrote:
Michael Stone wrote:
FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well. I expect
that in 20 years HTTP will still be going strong [...]
tomás writes:
Rather some Google/Amazon/Facebook/Microsoft backed abominable
mutation of that. One that (in
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:01:44AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
[...]
> > Massive proprietary email providers are just such points of failure.
>
> True. Explain that to your neighbor and try to convince him that it's a
> good reason for him to quit
I wrote:
> I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think most people *like*
> centralization.
Joe writes:
> But the very purpose of the Internet is to be decentralised: to avoid
> a single, or even a few, points of failure.
Was. Past tense.
> Massive proprietary email providers are just such
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be
>> >> tarred and feathered).
>> >
>> > Emasculated would be even
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 10:29:25 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Michael Stone wrote:
> > FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well. I expect
> > that in 20 years HTTP will still be going strong [...]
>
> tomás writes:
> > Rather some Google/Amazon/Facebook/Microsoft backed abominable
>
Gene writes:
> Yes, but fetchmails delete is ignored, so I have to keep the email
> cleaned out with a web browser...
Why in hell are you using that provider?
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
Michael Stone wrote:
> FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well. I expect
> that in 20 years HTTP will still be going strong [...]
tomás writes:
> Rather some Google/Amazon/Facebook/Microsoft backed abominable
> mutation of that. One that (in subtle ways) gives a competitive
>
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 08:25:36 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be
> >> tarred and feathered).
> >
> > Emasculated would be even better. :(
>
> perhaps ... but
Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:35:21 - (UTC)
> Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Michael Stone wrote:
>> > [...] I personally tend to think that bringing the next billion
>> > people online is more important than maintaining a Manichaean
>> > priesthood based on internet protocols from the 80s.
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:25:36PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be tarred
>> >> and feathered).
>> > Emasculated would be even better. :(
>>
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:27:41 -0400
Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 01:02:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >No, very occasionally, a proposed change is a clear improvement.
> >Usually it's just about altering the distribution of income.
>
> Rather, in my experience, resistance to change
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:35:21PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
Michael Stone wrote:
[...] I personally tend to think that bringing the next billion
people online is more important than maintaining a Manichaean priesthood
based on internet protocols from the 80s.
So, we need to replace HTTP
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:35:21 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert wrote:
> Michael Stone wrote:
> > [...] I personally tend to think that bringing the next billion
> > people online is more important than maintaining a Manichaean
> > priesthood based on internet protocols from the 80s.
>
> So, we need to
Michael Stone wrote:
> [...] I personally tend to think that bringing the next billion
> people online is more important than maintaining a Manichaean priesthood
> based on internet protocols from the 80s.
So, we need to replace HTTP then? Got it. :)
That being said, "bringing more people
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:25:36PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be tarred
> >> and feathered).
> >
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 08:27:41AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 01:02:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >No, very occasionally, a proposed change is a clear improvement.
> >Usually it's just about altering the distribution of income.
>
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
>> (as an aside, whoever came up with HTML-based email should be tarred
>> and feathered).
> Emasculated would be even better. :(
perhaps ... but at least tarred and feathered would be a visible
reminder to the rest of
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 01:02:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
No, very occasionally, a proposed change is a clear improvement.
Usually it's just about altering the distribution of income.
Rather, in my experience, resistance to change is usually about
preserving the status quo and reinforcing the
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 01:02:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:58:03 +0200
> wrote:
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> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:58:03 +0200
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> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Joe wrote:
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> [...]
>
> > Change, when it is obviously for the worse, and even just when it's
> > not obviously for the better, should be resisted.
>
>
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Joe wrote:
[...]
> Change, when it is obviously for the worse, and even just when it's not
> obviously for the better, should be resisted.
Change should be *always* resisted. On principle!
(Remember: I'm
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:39:12 +0200
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> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:57:01AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:33:16AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > >And Gnus. That's exactly the point all those "yay, modern,
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 06:57:01AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:33:16AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >And Gnus. That's exactly the point all those "yay, modern, shiny"
> >folks don't "get":
>
> But what the luddites
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:57:01 Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:33:16AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >And Gnus. That's exactly the point all those "yay, modern, shiny"
> >folks don't "get":
>
> But what the luddites seem to miss is that the protocol is far less
>
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:37:25 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:05:52 Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 03:33:16 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> > [...] But because 99% of my ISP's users use IMAP, my ISP
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:33:16AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
And Gnus. That's exactly the point all those "yay, modern, shiny"
folks don't "get":
But what the luddites seem to miss is that the protocol is far less
important than the content, and even if the luddites don't like the new
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:05:52 Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 03:33:16 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> > [...] But because 99% of my ISP's users use IMAP, my ISP has
>> > disabled fetchmails ability to delete a successfully
On Wednesday, 29 Aug 2018 at 05:54, Gene Heskett wrote:
> So I'm an obnoxious old fart, show me an even better way, if you can.
> Computers are supposed to do work FOR the user, not the other way around
> by creating circuitous ways past the ticket taker.
+1 from another old fart.
I've
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:05:52 Dan Purgert wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 August 2018 03:33:16 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > [...] But because 99% of my ISP's users use IMAP, my ISP has
> > disabled fetchmails ability to delete a successfully pulled email, I
> > still need
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 06:03:30 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 05:54:38AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Which is why, in this age of feeding 100 megs of advertising to the
> > browser client [...]
>
> ...for which NNTP would be actually very inefficient ;-D
>
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 August 2018 03:33:16 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> [...] But because 99% of my ISP's users use IMAP, my ISP has disabled
> fetchmails ability to delete a successfully pulled email, I still need
> to log in daily [...]
>
> So I'm an obnoxious old fart, show me
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 05:54:38AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
> Which is why, in this age of feeding 100 megs of advertising to the
> browser client [...]
...for which NNTP would be actually very inefficient ;-D
[...]
> procmail, sends the
On Wednesday 29 August 2018 03:33:16 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 08:28:56PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
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> [...]
>
> > Last time I looked, Thunderbird & Exchange both support news - a
> > newsgroup looks just like another email account.
>
> And Gnus. That's exactly the
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 08:28:56PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
[...]
> Last time I looked, Thunderbird & Exchange both support news - a
> newsgroup looks just like another email account.
And Gnus. That's exactly the point all those "yay, modern,
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:05:23PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
[...]
> FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well. I expect
> that in 20 years HTTP will still be going strong [...]
Rather some Google/Amazon/Facebook/Microsoft backed
Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> [...]
> FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well.
What would SMTP get replaced with? I mean, email is still kind of a big
thing (at least in business).
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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
I have at no stage advocated a "generic architecture of NNTP transit servers".
I have at no stage advocated any NNTP servers being "open to arbitrary groups",
other than those created by group owners.
[snip long list of other
On 8/28/18 5:24 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
I was going to say that you and I have started going round in circles
and should just agree to disagree about certain things but this is a
different strand of the discussion that still seems to be advancing.
On 28/08/2018 20:01, Michael Stone wrote:
On 28/08/2018 23:25, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then
>> it's
>>always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body
>>unless asked to, just as news
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then it's
always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body
unless asked to, just as news readers don't typically download the entire
message
I was going to say that you and I have started going round in circles
and should just agree to disagree about certain things but this is a
different strand of the discussion that still seems to be advancing.
On 28/08/2018 20:01, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:46:15PM +0100,
As a totally theoretical aside, it should be noted that NNTP is a peer
to peer protocol. At one time news servers and spools were so
heavyweight that they required a VAX (leading to the client-server model
of news that is the only way most people think it can work), but by
modern standards the
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