Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 09/08/2018 18:39, tech wrote: > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something > more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? No. Mail lists works as well now as they did then. Mail lists are efficient, to the point, simple to use. Don't try to fix what isn't broken. --

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:59 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > >Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something > >more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > > Assuming you are talking about systems for discussion, rather

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Piotr wrote: > The best was NNTP, but sadly there are not many places where it is still > used. Web and e-mail approach is for more "handicaped" users, and as the > exampes shows, there are many of them. Otherwise the trend would be to > stick to NNTP and not to move to no powerfull solutions.

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 08/10/2018 08:58 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-08-10 at 08:29, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:55:00AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages > > presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message > > headers,

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:33:39AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote: > > 3. Indexed mail searching. Whatever works with your preferred > > mail client. Have cron run a re-index every morning before you > > wake up. > > Care to expand on this one a bit? Not entirely sure what you mean

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message headers, but don't have to be. For example, for this mailing list: :0:

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to >> indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed >> to say something on the mailserver itself? > > Correct.

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:29:34 -0400 Rich Kulawiec wrote: Hello Rich, >will be appended to the file named in the last line. (It would be nice >if the debian lists complied with RFC 2919 by using List-Id, but at >least All the Debian lists I'm subbed to have a List-Id header. Maybe they didn't

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 10 August 2018 07:24:18 zaxonxp wrote: >> [...] >> NNTP was a way to go. Sadly not many portals supports it promoting >> only web access or mail list. Personally I do not like to polute my >> mailbox with a tons of e-mails and clean them up later on. NNTP client >>

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 10.08.18 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> To expand on that with my own personal prejudice -- the people using >> these "sub-par" tools are also the ones who're the cause of some of the >> existent (modern?) problems with mailing lists. >> >>

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 2018-08-10 at 08:29, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems >> to indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as >> opposed to say something on the mailserver

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:29:53PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: Yup. Details on how to direct its filtering/distribution are in the procmailrc manpage. Its development stabilised some time ago, and those of us who use it are very content with that. I would not recommend procmail for new

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages > presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message > headers, but don't have to be. For example, for this mailing list: > >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to > indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed > to say something on the mailserver itself? Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 10.08.18 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote: > Rich Kulawiec wrote: > To expand on that with my own personal prejudice -- the people using > these "sub-par" tools are also the ones who're the cause of some of the > existent (modern?) problems with mailing lists. > > Namely: > > - HTML Messages > -

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Friday 10 August 2018 07:24:18 zaxonxp wrote: > > rH8U]On)GIf;w1ZqdMj$nbYY >.Ix8o\C & > > > auM`4jC,sl5vR&@dR!_,^'*^6+Udo[>g^ruiad#l{:lJ?{VKGRV_nM~oBgfJm"TpFZ >=!t0yw! $ > UN > References: > User-Agent: Pan/0.141 (Tarzan's Death; 168b179 git.gnome.org/pan2) > MIME-Version: 1.0 >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 2018-08-10, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Serious email users should be using mutt, which is fast, compact, > ... > Furthermore, everyone using mailing lists should be maintaining ... > maintained by the site running the mailing list. in turn, everyone > running a mailing list should take care

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >> I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the >> right tools, it's easy to deal with. > > This is an excellent point. Many of the people who lodge complaints > like the one that started this

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[This mail was also posted to linux.debian.user.] On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:30:01 +0200, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >> I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the right >> tools, it's easy to deal with. > > This is an

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 06:05:41PM +, tech wrote: >> [...] >> Since augusth 1st: >> >> I received around 12 familly mails, 62 pro-mails, 147 >> spam/pishing/bullshit mails. >> >> Between all the debian mails list who exist, i receives also 168 >> emails. >> >> I have

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the > right tools, it's easy to deal with. This is an excellent point. Many of the people who lodge complaints like the one that started this discussion thread have chosen very

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > The way most people keep up to date on network news is through > subscription to a number of mail reflectors [...] To add to other people's responses here (with which I do agree), perhaps you

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 06:05:41PM +, tech wrote: > > ... and why not ? > > > As an example, with a bugzilla, you dont have to dig in n*thousands of > "unread" mails,. You can organized, have a clear view with a dashboard... and > so on. > > And bugzilla is just one possibility. Are you

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: >> Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something >> more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > > No. Do HTML archives of said mailing lists count as "more modern"? Granted, they're not "methods of

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? Assuming you are talking about systems for discussion, rather than filing bugs: Debian has and has had

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote:  The way most people keep up to date on network news is through subscription to a number of mail reflectors (also known as  mail exploders). Mail reflectors are special electronic mailboxes

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 18:05:41 (+), tech wrote: > > ... and why not ? > > > As an example, with a bugzilla, you dont have to dig in n*thousands of > "unread" mails,. You can organized, have a clear view with a dashboard... and > so on. > > And bugzilla is just one possibility. > > >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more > modern like a bugzilla or else ??? No. This is an absolutely terrible idea. Here's why mailing lists are (along with Usenet newsgroups) vastly superior to

RE: mailing list vs "the futur"

tech wrote: > as i dont want to troll the debian-list, and as i already received several > mails ( a first for me ) saying i am a dumbass, a stupid eager young > for the audience, i will stop the broadcast of bad words here. > > > i need to go to the post office to send a letter, so i will

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

tech writes: > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something > more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? It's 2018. Shouldn't we move away from an old “keyboard” to something mroe modern like a data-glove? Less sarcastically: You have said nothing that demonstrates why a

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? On 8/9/18, 10:47 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: No. What? A list server isn't good enough for you? It's good enough for the Tomcat

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 08/09/2018 01:39 PM, tech wrote: Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? Why?? There already are plenty of such sites, you need only pick and choose. I like it here as I don't have to read a "me too!" message with a meg

RE: mailing list vs "the futur"

rect-delete most of he amils i receive ) ... with your "no" spirit, we would still have an horse and wagon like my old-old-old grandpa ! De : Greg Wooledge Envoyé : jeudi 9 août 2018 19:47:24 À : debian-user@lists.debian.org Objet : Re: mailing list vs &q

RE: mailing list vs "the futur"

f he amils i receive ) ... with your "no" spirit, we would still have an horse and wagon like my old-old-old grandpa ! De : Greg Wooledge Envoyé : jeudi 9 août 2018 19:47:24 À : debian-user@lists.debian.org Objet : Re: mailing list vs "the fu

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more > modern like a bugzilla or else ??? No.

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